Understanding God’s election

[Rufus]

Soooo....!

The confession comes.
Everyone who does not have your thinking in regard to the Truth of the Gospel did not receive faith! (according to your definition)

That only TULIP waterers are saved.

And… You argue with the non-elect.
Who can not change unless God chose them as the elect in the first place.

There is an element of conceit to be found in your soul, along with the other self-righteous TULIP'ers.

Why even bother with us if you are the correct-elect?
You defy what you believe when you try to!

To try to correct the non-elect, is like trying to turn ice into kindling wood.

.... I think you need to hop back on that wheel of the potter...

We are only servants of the Potter and not omniscient as he is. We preach and teach but the LORD save who HE WILLS! He knew in eternity who are his and who aren't. We servants don't have to know. We just have to be faithful to our call and duty and privilege.

 

[Inquisitor]

His sheep hear... who else? .

John 10:27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

Incorrect Magenta.

Matthew 15:27
But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

The dogs became sheep.

The dogs were grafted in at a later time and then became sheep.

 

[brightfame52]

Then all true Christians would be like you?
All the rest are not really saved?

He does give correct thinking...
But only a few will accept it.


In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church,
there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it.
No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of
you have God’s approval.


1 Corinthians 11:18-19

God given Faith does give correct thinking to the Elect in regards to the Truth of the Gospel !

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

But if only His sheep hear... is one His sheep before hearing or after? It would not make
sense to say someone who is not His sheep hears and then becomes a sheep... does it?
Because being a sheep comes before hearing...

But we were once lost sheep and goats, until we heard the Word and believed.

 

[Inquisitor]

We are only servants of the Potter and not omniscient as he is. We preach and teach but the LORD save who HE WILLS! He knew in eternity who are his and who aren't. We servants don't have to know. We just have to be faithful to our call and duty and privilege.

Never declare that God is partial in His dealing with mankind, and that is a sin by the way.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the Lord your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome
God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

God has no favorites and God does not choose anyone except through Jesus Christ.

The phrase, "IN HIM", is mentioned 22 times in the letter to the Ephesians.

It is important to recognize that no one is chosen from eternity past for salvation.

Simply because the scripture never says that God shows partiality to some.

We have been predestined to be holy in Him, predestined to be transformed into the likeness of Jesus.

 

[Inquisitor]

Then all true Christians would be like you?
All the rest are not really saved?

He does give correct thinking...
But only a few will accept it.


In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church,
there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it.
No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of
you have God’s approval.


1 Corinthians 11:18-19

Correct, there are many divisions and some even say they were sheep, when they were dogs all along.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is a great point.

Was the thief on the cross a sheep?

 

[Inquisitor]

But certainly not BY Him, right?

Everyone can believe in Jesus.

Even Paul resisted the goading of Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:14
And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect,
‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’

Saul knew but resisted the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Saul did not have the Holy Spirit within and was not saved on the road to Damascus.

 

[Genez]

So what is the power of God in the gospel? The ability to persuade?

According to some who insist on irresistible grace?

Its the power to download new software into a soul, and to install it, to make one think Jesus is Lord.
Like a computer, there is no free will involved in the process.

God is sovereignly the computer programmer.

.......

 

[Genez]

We are only servants of the Potter and not omniscient as he is. We preach and teach but the LORD save who HE WILLS! He knew in eternity who are his and who aren't. We servants don't have to know. We just have to be faithful to our call and duty and privilege.

Right,,,

He saves as He wills.

Meaning? No amount of prayer and fasting on your part is going to get someone you love saved.
You can will for God to save them. You can weep and show God how much you want them saved....
In spite of that?

It all depends solely upon His mercy if they decide for themselves to believe.

 

[Genez]

God given Faith does give correct thinking to the Elect in regards to the Truth of the Gospel !

So my thinking you are wrong, is correct then...

 

[Genez]

That is your error. Scripture has been posted to prove this.

It says you have been saved by GRACE. Not, by faith.

Grace was needed to make you capable to accept the Gospel.

Grace in its divine power suppresses the depravity of the flesh, to make the soul of that person free to accept, or reject, the Gospel.

On the other hand...
Without GRACE? No one could believe.

 

[cv5]

Huh? How do those verses relate to the marriage of the Lamb?

Yes my blind nut-starved fuzzy-tailed friend, I am very well aware of the fact that you have not the slightest idea of how the PIVOTAL chapter of Matthew 13 is intimately related to the marriage of the Lamb.

And neither did the blind nut-starved squirrels at that time.

[Mat 13:13 KJV]
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

[Mat 13:14 KJV]
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

[Mat 13:15 KJV]
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But it has to do with WILLFULLY and DELIBERATELY scorning the marriage proposal sincerely offered in good faith.
The same phenomenon that is happening to the blind Calvinite nut-starved squirrels of this age BTW.

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[Mat 13:16 KJV]
But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

That would be me. Lucky me huh?

 

[cv5]

Matthew 15:27
But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

The dogs became sheep.

The dogs were grafted in at a later time and then became sheep.

Yes sir that is correct.

 

[cv5]

Everyone can believe in Jesus.
Even Paul resisted the goading of Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:14
And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect,
‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’

Saul knew but resisted the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Good point. I will have to remember that reference.

 

[Magenta]

Was the thief on the cross a sheep?

Wouldn't it depend which thief on the cross you were talking about? Because clearly one was a sheep and we do seem to assume the other one was a goat. Just as it is widely assumed that neither were baptized, when that is not in the text anywhere ... and it's possible that one or both of them were... not that that really matters, except perhaps to those who say that water baptism is an absolute necessity for salvation... which makes it a bone of contention at times.

 

[Magenta]

But we were once lost sheep and goats, until we heard the Word and believed.

Well... there it is ... we were lost sheep ... and we were never called a lost goat.

 

[brightfame52]

@ThereRoseaLamb

Was the thief on the cross a sheep?

Yes Most definitely

 

[Cranberry]

Folks, this guy is delusional. The Bronze Serpent typology has not been debunked. So...since the guy who thinks he's the brightest bulb in the factory hasn't debunked it, maybe one of you "lesser" lights want to take a shot?

I suggest rather than continually rise to the invitations of the Discordians here as we defend Scripture that we know because it tells us shall never reach such one's that we instead learn from and heed Scripture that guides us through that.

Romans 12
Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.


Our communities are targets for the enemy.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well... there it is ... we were lost sheep ... and we were never called a lost goat.

Yes, sheep and goats are more a reference to last days, where as now the wheat and tares are growing together. But sheep were lost, like the prodigal son story.