They can only believe they are able to stand up and be accountable because they know at one point in the process they yielded to God and said be my Lord, God, and Savior I need YOU!
Understanding God’s election
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Every accusation without a quotation is a futile exercise.
My view is that unbelievers cast themselves into hell where they justly reap what they sowed before being destroyed.
The Passage says we're bought with a price. But that can include all humans. Some humans yielded to God and the others did not.
Regardless, it says we are accountable. To say that some believe we are not, you would first have to post where someone makes such a claim. Second, you would have to show that they don't believe what I have posted. You have done neither. Your claim is sheer conjecture in the absence of these things. Some refer to this as a strawman.
I agree with what the Bible claims first and foremost.
But how the Reformed doctrine is defined that anyone saved has had nothing to do with being saved or living a Christian life because God chose them to be saved and even if they tried to not be saved it won't happen because God did it all so they're on a free ride to Heaven.
That doctrine shows NO ACCOUNTABILITY anywhere on behalf of the Christian and 100% all accountability on God. So that doctrine is literally opposite of the verses you provided.
But the only one making such a claim is you. You have posited a position and claim others are making it, yet show no evidence that anyone has made the claim. Please identify the specific claims of specific people, or admit you have no such evidence to support the position.
Who here has ever said that a believer had nothing to do with believing the gospel? You, on the other hand, say God is NOT the ultimate cause for anyone believing the gospel since there is zero efficacy in his grace; therefore, the ultimate and supreme cause is your will which is efficacious.
Now...go give yourself a hearty pat on the back and congratulate yourself for the mighty power of your corrupt, vile, wicked, evil, self-deceived will which brought you to Christ.
When and where have I said I don't care whether anyone is saved? What I have said, however, is that the bible never states that God's eternal purpose was that everyone be saved.
I know God's love and grace and effectual because I do believe the gospel and am constantly to this day repenting of my sins.
And you are totally devoid of any of God's love in your soul since you mock and ridicule helpless and powerless sinners as being "robots". What you do is akin to someone pridefully and arrogantly mocking and ridiculing a handicapped person who is physically limited due to his handicap. How very UNChristian of you!
I believe that as well! They freely chose to fulfill God's eternal destiny for them! So, what God withholds HIS sovereign from them since you believe his grace is useless anyway, since it's ineffectual. And how is God wrong by allowing sinners free reign over their own lives? You wouldn't have God intruding into their lives and interfering with their "freewill" choices, would you? You know...like what he did with Abimelech, Balaam, Joseph, etc.?
Apparently you were not raised by parents who taught you to love God from infancy and so you never rebelled against Him,
although this does not mean you were perfect, any more than you are now. However, you always believed you were the object of God's love despite having a human nature (2Tim. 3:15-17).
Apparently you are ignorant of Deut. 30:19, which indicates how God creates a free moral choice.
To blame for what?
If God is required to act, He answers to someone else. He is not Sovereign.
If God is Sovereign, He decides how and when to act.
If you believe God must act, then you are that sovereign. God answers to you.
This is why you find fault with God. I don't find God blameworthy for the actions of men. They fit themselves for destruction. You believe He is obligated to do something on behalf of all men. You subject God to your ways of doing things.