Ukraine the bad guy?

HeIsHere · May 6, 2023

Evmur said:
try telling that to Iraq or Libya or Vietnam

yeh their rockets are cuddly teddy bear shaped things coming to kiss the kids goodnight ... defensive

He has been countered with this information before, but of course it is an inconvenient truth that needs to be dismissed.

cv5 · May 6, 2023

Fundaamental said:
oh does that mean you believe we are in tribulation then ?.

Of course not. Rapture MUST come first. THEN the man of sin is revealed......and then those who dwell upon the earth who have wisdom will understand that the 70th weel of Daniel has commenced. And that the King is soon to return to reign from Jerusalem.

cv5 · May 6, 2023

JohnDB said:
Most are just fine with being conscripted....

Are you serious? That is an unhinged assessment. If they were "just fine" with this war they would have volunteered. Rather than cowering in granny's basement.

And I wonder.....how will your nephews feel about it when the time comes? Blessed to be chosen and chomping at the bit to get an opportunity to wallow in a trench and kill orcs?

Fundaamental · May 6, 2023

cv5 said:
Of course not. Rapture MUST come first. THEN the man of sin is revealed......and then those who dwell upon the earth who have wisdom will understand that the 70th weel of Daniel has commenced. And that the King is soon to return to reign from Jerusalem.

ok so you believe that rev 13 is for tribulation of the saints befor they get raptured.
I think your saying that rev 13 applies to the current state of affairs in the world I can't see why else you posted rev 13 to my reply.

I can't see much difference after rev 13 in terms of greater tribulation.

cv5 · May 6, 2023

Fundaamental said:
ok so you believe that rev 13 is for tribulation of the saints befor they get raptured.
I think your saying that rev 13 applies to the current state of affairs in the world I can't see why else you posted rev 13 to my reply.

I can't see much difference after rev 13 in terms of greater tribulation.

cv5 · May 6, 2023

Fundaamental said:
ok so you believe that rev 13 is for tribulation of the saints befor they get raptured.
I think your saying that rev 13 applies to the current state of affairs in the world I can't see why else you posted rev 13 to my reply.

I can't see much difference after rev 13 in terms of greater tribulation.

To be more clear, I posted Rev 13 to postulate that TODAY these unbelieving world leaders and nations today are confederate in their ungodly deeds and ways, and in a sense have a common purpose in that sense.

This ungodliness of the nations will reach its FULL POTENTIAL only AFTER the man of sin is revealed. They will avidly and willingly give their authority to him (as he will be the greatest evil) as he will have to power to bring the whole world into totalitarian subjection.
This totalitarian subjection being the ultimate dream of every wicked person from Nimrod to Hitler and practically every leader of every nation on earth nowadays. Who desire one world government and a total dissolution of personality and the theft of the gift of being a unique creation made in God's image capable of free will and free choice.

Fundaamental · May 6, 2023

cv5 said:
To be more clear, I posted Rev 13 to postulate that TODAY these unbelieving world leaders and nations today are confederate in their ungodly deeds and ways, and in a sense have a common purpose in that sense.

This ungodliness of the nations will reach its FULL POTENTIAL only AFTER the man of sin is revealed. They will avidly and willingly give their authority to him (as he will be the greatest evil) as he will have to power to bring the whole world into totalitarian subjection.
This totalitarian subjection being the ultimate dream of every wicked person from Nimrod to Hitler and practically every leader of every nation on earth nowadays. Who desire one world government and a total dissolution of personality and the theft of the gift of being a unique creation made in God's image capable of free will and free choice.

well I will respect your views, but I would have thought the man of sin has been revealed already many times more over and tribulation against the saints is very much evident everywhere you go. And the evidence that the world leaders are one union is very much what I've been demonstrating,
There world order is chaos, made to look like world order,
I know that numbers play apart to pre trib beliefs but I'm more inclined to think the 7 day thing in the beginning to hold more substance, to the beginning and end of tribulation.
How ever the subject of the return of the lord interests me as it does you.

cv5 · May 6, 2023

Fundaamental said:
ok so you believe that rev 13 is for tribulation of the saints befor they get raptured.
I think your saying that rev 13 applies to the current state of affairs in the world I can't see why else you posted rev 13 to my reply.

I can't see much difference after rev 13 in terms of greater tribulation.

Sorry for the typos in my earlier post......running out the door in a rush wifey is waiting lol.

See here the "mini-me" false prophet known as Yuval Noah Harari. Hear what they have "planned" for us coming straight out of the mouth of Sauron. No conspiracy theories necessary.

https://christianchat.com/posts/5070375/

cv5 · May 6, 2023

Fundaamental said:
well I will respect your views, but I would have thought the man of sin has been revealed already many times more over and tribulation against the saints is very much evident everywhere you go. And the evidence that the world leaders are one union is very much what I've been demonstrating,
There world order is chaos, made to look like world order,
I know that numbers play apart to pre trib beliefs but I'm more inclined to think the 7 day thing in the beginning to hold more substance, to the beginning and end of tribulation.
How ever the subject of the return of the lord interests me as it does you.

Read those links I provided re: the pre-trib rapture and 70th week of Daniel etc.
And don't be lazy and don't rush. There is MONTHS of Bible studies contained in those links!

The pre-trib rapture is Biblically boilerplate doctrine. No doubt about it.

Fundaamental · May 6, 2023

cv5 said:
Read those links I provided re: the pre-trib rapture and 70th week of Daniel etc.
And don't be lazy and don't rush. There is MONTHS of Bible studies contained in those links!

The pre-trib rapture is Biblically boilerplate doctrine. No doubt about it.

I take it your from the USA, it seems from my studies that only the USA supports the pre trib beliefs more than anyone else in the world.
But the most common belief of the whole world is post tribulation.

I'm a little hesitant to get into studying pre trib to its full just incase I become like Donald trump.

cv5 · May 6, 2023

Fundaamental said:
I take it your from the USA, it seems from my studies that only the USA supports the pre trib beliefs more than anyone else in the world.
But the most common belief of the whole world is post tribulation.

I'm a little hesitant to get into studying pre trib to its full just incase I become like Donald trump.

Ahhhh....OK man. Most people just prefer pablum anyways. And that is exactly what most Churches provide in terms of teaching.
And if you do not understand the pre-trib rapture, you have been dealt a great disservice.

But no, I am not from the USA, and I do not follow/trust Trump. Or any other politician.
Really the only reason I vote at all is to kick the other bums out and start over. Seriously.

Fundaamental · May 6, 2023

cv5 said:
Ahhhh....OK man. Most people just prefer pablum anyways. And that is exactly what most Churches provide in terms of teaching.
And if you do not understand the pre-trib rapture, you have been dealt a great disservice.

But no, I am not from the USA, and I do not follow/trust Trump. Or any other politician.
Really the only reason I vote at all is to kick the other bums out and start over. Seriously.

ahh

yup food is more simple but then I don't like being served mush, I prefer food pure

But have you ever voted for anyone that's made a difference.
Seriously, the conspiracies on that one is astronomical, I've never seen a election thats made any real difference in the UK.
A new one comes in and makes things worse. There not bothered there paychecks are pretty high for five years or 10 or 15.
I've given up on voting because after a new party comes in they make things so bad befor they part, it's perfect excuse for us to be sucked in to pay for there next big pay checks for the next 10 years or so.
At one point I was paying 30.000 UK pounds a year in taxes when my business was successful befor covid came and took the lot of me.

Now are loving government have got me tied into an iva for 7 years.
I'm working for nothing. Well actually I'm working to pay our terrorist government to rob me of every penny, yeah that's tribulation alright.

Fundaamental · May 7, 2023

Gideon300 said:
I'm 71 and ex military. The context is pretty straightforward. Putin wants his empire back. 2014 showed Putin that the world was not going to hinder him. He embarked on a military expansion, using the money from oil and gas to do so. Once he was satisfied with the expansion, he looked for excuses to invade Ukraine. He found some, lied his head off about the rest and voila! You have a war. He can't even tell the truth about that. "Special operation". There's nothing special about it. Except that Ukraine would not lie down and die and much of the world decided that Putin had gone too far this time.

This would hold substance if you could prove that the chain of events of war events between Russia and Ukraine wasn't fixed between the two side to begin with.
You being ex military should realise more than anyone else how soilders are made to feel indespensable, so are your sure that you where never used as a war game between the two leaders in any active duty you served.
Many wars are now thought of as absolutely not necessary.
Like no evidence was ever found showing Saddam Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction.
The Falklands war by even the UK forces ex soliders think the war was not necessary.

Vietnam war thought to be a waste of time.

Afghanistan same

ukraine and Russia have been playing war games for decades man.

Israel and the so called rightful heirs of there land the Palestinians
Wargames for decades.

Terrorist organisations forcing there way into power through war.

Ira terrorist soldiers in Ireland

both now seen as legitimate soldiers of war.

or are they all striking deals with the existing terrorists of our world, the world leaders.

ZNP · May 7, 2023

Shows the impact that US sanctions on Russia had on Russian, Ukraine and the US. (Warning, this is not pretty).

They ask two questions:

1. Have US sanctions made it harder for Russia to wage war?

2. Will US sanctions make it harder for other countries to wage war in the future?

The answer to both is....No.

cv5 · May 7, 2023

ZNP said:
Shows the impact that US sanctions on Russia had on Russian, Ukraine and the US. (Warning, this is not pretty).

They ask two questions:

1. Have US sanctions made it harder for Russia to wage war?

2. Will US sanctions make it harder for other countries to wage war in the future?

The answer to both is....No.

Saudi Arabia is trading oil for CNY. This "international trade CNY" can freely be traded for gold at the Shanghai Gold Exchange.
Russia WAS trading oil with India in Rupees, but NOW is telling then to pay in CNY. Why the change? Same reason.

So ask yourself: is this the stealthy novus modus operandi in play?
This to keep these doings behind the curtain of US prying eyes, and beyond the reach of military intervention?

Seems so to me. Stay tuned.

SomeDisciple · May 7, 2023

Fundaamental said:
Then there's this.

Yeah... him trying to get the US to enter the war/usher in WW3 was pretty abhorrent. And it's just so awkward how suddenly everyone started to pretend like Ukraine and the United States have the sort of relationship where we should be going all-in for them; it's like some strange girl telling people that she is your wife when she's not; and then everyone believes it, even though it's not true. It's we are in the twilight zone; or maybe the gaslight zone.

cv5 · May 7, 2023

Looks like the drama produced the desired results....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655150470577496069

cv5 · May 7, 2023

Ruh-roh. Now they have back-up. Russian intervention was probably the key.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655170540598882304

Fundaamental · May 7, 2023

SomeDisciple said:
Yeah... him trying to get the US to enter the war/usher in WW3 was pretty abhorrent. And it's just so awkward how suddenly everyone started to pretend like Ukraine and the United States have the sort of relationship where we should be going all-in for them; it's like some strange girl telling people that she is your wife when she's not; and then everyone believes it, even though it's not true. It's we are in the twilight zone; or maybe the gaslight zone.

Yes but just another card being played to show America as the good guys.
Think about it.
There's zalenska shouting for immediate action for nato to jump in.
There America saying noooo we think it was yourselfs who dropped the missile in Poland.
So zelenska says my apologies your right.
Your left with the card America is the good guys in war.
All along there still providing missiles to provoke the war further.
Where do Russia fit in.
Well they get to fight the war some more too.
I can find more escalations for the war to progress.
Deliberate blowing up of the bridge leading to Russia from Ukraine.
Deliberate sabotage of gas pipe lines.
All the sanctions on Russia mean nothing and all the money taken of the rich oligarchs mean nothing.

All the money has gone back into the leaders pockets who are All one union Satan.
And the sanctions have bumped up taxes for us lot.
Poverty for us richness for Satan.

Fundaamental · May 7, 2023

The real war is on the spirit that lives in people.

Thats the real war here.
People being used for war and being made to feel indispensable.
Whilst leaders stay rich.

COVID = deliberate = disease death and famine for people, did any leaders of the world die ?.
After COVID tax rises interest rates rises food costs,
Same result poverty for people.

Wars = death disease and famine for people with the spirit even soldiers.
After war, tax rises interest rises mental scars. More poverty for people long suffering physically for soldiers and civilians.

End result many people with the spirit killed, Satan happy.
The real war spiritual warfare.

Who wins Satan every time.
How can it stop.
World wide coop from civilians.

Never going to happen sadly until the lord returns.

Ukraine the bad guy?

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