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I hope this thread becomes a discussion about the Trinity. These are just some of my observations followed by questions.

1. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are God.
Question: Is this the core belief of the Trinity? Something else? Assuming it is not appropriate to call them "Gods" is there one title that actually fits the Father, the Son, and the Spirit?

2. Jesus did not consider equality with God something to be grasped (Philippians 2:6).
Question: How best can we describe the Trinity without using the word "equal"?

That's all for now. Thank you.
 
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Jesus is the son of God, but the expession God the son doesn't exist in the bible.

The holy spirit is the spirit of God, the expression God the holy spirit is not found in the bible.

Scripture calls God, the father, ie., God [comma] the father, not God the father.
 
By my understanding the Trinity consist of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three separate entities comprising one God.
 
I hope this thread becomes a discussion about the Trinity. These are just some of my observations followed by questions.

1. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are God.
Question: Is this the core belief of the Trinity? Something else? Assuming it is not appropriate to call them "Gods" is there one title that actually fits the Father, the Son, and the Spirit?

2. Jesus did not consider equality with God something to be grasped (Philippians 2:6).
Question: How best can we describe the Trinity without using the word "equal"?

That's all for now. Thank you.

What is in the Triune God is subjection but not inferiority in the Father, Son and Spirit.

So the Son will have authority from the Father ..do things by the Fathers hand etc..

But He is still on the same level..like the Father being the Head..and Jesus being the body.
 
"We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God. begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father; through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became truly human. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen." - The Nicene Creed is still the standard.
 
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What is in the Triune God is subjection but not inferiority in the Father, Son and Spirit.

So the Son will have authority from the Father ..do things by the Fathers hand etc..

But He is still on the same level..like the Father being the Head..and Jesus being the body.
Perhaps the Holy Spirit is the heart.
 
I hope this thread becomes a discussion about the Trinity.

This made me laugh, good one! :LOL:

But to answer your post a lot of what God does are mysteries to us, and we as humans have to find the words which are not enough to describe God in order to make sense of God's ways (which are not our ways) in our 3-dimentional world.
Now, the best evidence which to me makes it a 'air tight case' for Trinity is during the baptism of Jesus.
To me this is even more important than what Jesus said later (go and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit) because it was a Supernatural event. Or a Miracle!
People besides John saw and heard!
So now that we saw and heard, we have to give this phenomenon a name. And, we call it The Holy Trinity.
But i love what @lrs68 said on post 3. That's another way i would call it.

And let's keep this post on topic @Aaron56 , so far so good! :D
 
Perhaps the Holy Spirit is the heart.
That is interesting because the Christophany (Jesus before being known as Jesus in the Old Testament) was called the Right Hand or Arm of God. Another term similar is the Branch that connects between God and man.

I believe intricately it's One Body and multiple Parts.
 
The Holy Spirit has been called, 'The finger of God.' Jesus Christ worked by the Holy Spirit, not himself. When we pray to Jesus Christ, we are also praying to God himself. And we cannot go to God except by Jesus Christ.
 
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That is interesting because the Christophany (Jesus before being known as Jesus in the Old Testament) was called the Right Hand or Arm of God. Another term similar is the Branch that connects between God and man.

I believe intricately it's One Body and multiple Parts.
Could very well be. A body consists of many members.
 
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God the Father has the word abiding in Him ---who is Jesus -----So Jesus is in the Father --one person 2 functions ----

The Holy Spirit is -----the Spirit of Christ -----because He comes out From the Spirit of both God the Father and of God the Son -----so One God 3 persons with 3 different functions ----



Some Scripture here about the Holy Spirit -----and who this Spirit is connected to ------From Google


Romans 8:9: "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him".

This verse links the indwelling presence of the "Spirit of God" with the requirement of having the "Spirit of Christ" to be a Christian.

Galatians 4:6: "And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying out, 'Abba! Father!'".

This verse refers to the Holy Spirit as the "Spirit of His Son" (Jesus) and shows the Spirit's role in revealing our identity as children of God.

Philippians 1:19: "For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance".

Paul uses the phrase "Spirit of Jesus Christ," directly connecting the Holy Spirit to the historical and present reality of Jesus.

Acts 16:7: The Book of Acts also mentions the "Spirit of Jesus" guiding the actions of Paul and his companions.
 
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God the Father has the word abiding in Him ---who is Jesus -----So Jesus is in the Father --one person 2 functions ----

The Holy Spirit is -----the Spirit of Christ -----because He comes out From the Spirit of both God the Father and of God the Son -----so One God 3 persons with 3 different functions ----



Some Scripture here about the Holy Spirit -----and who this Spirit is connected to ------From Google


Romans 8:9: "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him".

This verse links the indwelling presence of the "Spirit of God" with the requirement of having the "Spirit of Christ" to be a Christian.

Galatians 4:6: "And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying out, 'Abba! Father!'".

This verse refers to the Holy Spirit as the "Spirit of His Son" (Jesus) and shows the Spirit's role in revealing our identity as children of God.

Philippians 1:19: "For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance".

Paul uses the phrase "Spirit of Jesus Christ," directly connecting the Holy Spirit to the historical and present reality of Jesus.

Acts 16:7: The Book of Acts also mentions the "Spirit of Jesus" guiding the actions of Paul and his companions.
Something else interesting is Acts chapter 5 we have Ananias not giving all the money he made selling his home and Peter said you lied to the Holy Spirit which is God. Then few Verses later tells the wife you lied to the Spirit of the Lord which is Jesus.

So at least in Acts chapter 5 the Holy Spirit, God, Spirit of the Lord which is Jesus are all being used as the same individual Deity.

I heard one Theologian explain it that Jesus could only work with people one on one in Person but in the Spirit He can be everywhere working with millions of people at once. That was an interesting analogy I thought 🤔
 
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Why does the Bible only attribute the Father as God.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Why does the Bible say the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.

And do not give an explanation against it for it plainly says it.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

If Jesus is God the Son the second person of a trinity why did the Holy Spirit the third person of a trinity become conceived in flesh.

How does God the Son that has no beginning make sense when Son means to be fathered having a beginning or else Son has no meaning.

They say one God.

Then they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit which they are saying 3 Gods.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam made in the image of God, Adam made in the figure, image of Christ.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Word is the plan of God to come in the future in flesh and does not prove it is different God.

God had the plan to come in flesh in the future and created Adam in the image.

An innocent nature in flesh.

Let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

Is it talking about a trinity or God the Father and the Son the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus was conceived of the Spirit but told Philip if he has seen Him then he has seen the Father and the Father that dwells in Him does the works.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Those are titles not names.

And the name is singular.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Jews, Samaritans, and Gentile were baptized in the name of Jesus.

Did they disobey Jesus or did they have it right.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Why use the titles when everything is in Jesus' name.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The Father is speaking that He will reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.

Which Jesus said the words he speaks are not of Himself but the Father that dwells in Him does the works.

Jesus said He came in His Father's name.

Jesus is the Father speaking to the Jews revealing His new name.

Jesus is the name of the Father.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Father and Son shall share the same name.

Which the Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

Jesus is the name of the Son.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

One God who is a Holy Spirit and Father is a title and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Not 3 persons of a trinity.

But the 3 relationships God has with His people designated by titles.

Father- Creator, and parent of the saints.

Son- God's visible relationship to the saints and Him in visible activity.

Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints and Him in invisible activity.

Which the Spirit moved in creation and Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in us.

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Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

Jesus is not sitting on a throne next to the Father.

Jesus at the right hand of God is a temporary role until His enemies are conquered then He will not be at the right hand that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power be at His right hand because He is the mediator.

And when the saints are with Jesus and His enemies conquered then the Son shall submit to the Father stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.

Which His mediator is no longer needed.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

There is only one throne in heaven not two.

Which is the throne of God and the Lamb God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
 
Something else interesting is Acts chapter 5 we have Ananias not giving all the money he made selling his home and Peter said you lied to the Holy Spirit which is God. Then few Verses later tells the wife you lied to the Spirit of the Lord which is Jesus.

So at least in Acts chapter 5 the Holy Spirit, God, Spirit of the Lord which is Jesus are all being used as the same individual Deity.

I heard one Theologian explain it that Jesus could only work with people one on one in Person but in the Spirit He can be everywhere working with millions of people at once. That was an interesting analogy I thought 🤔
I am going to read again Acts 5. What you have said about that chapter I find very interesting.
 
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I am going to read again Acts 5. What you have said about that chapter I find very interesting.
Something else that always intrigued me was when 2 or more {Holy Spirit filled} people gather in the Name of Jesus, Jesus is there.

One would think filled with Holy Spirit so the Holy Spirit would be there but rather it's Jesus.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 While it remained, did it not remain thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thy power? How is it that thou hast conceived this thing in thy heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

9 But Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to try the Spirit of the Lord?
 
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Jesus is the son of God, but the expession God the son doesn't exist in the bible.

The holy spirit is the spirit of God, the expression God the holy spirit is not found in the bible.

Scripture calls God, the father, ie., God [comma] the father, not God the father.
Nitpicking. Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God. That is clear from the Bible.
 
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I’m really enjoying the discussion so far.

Spirit of the Lord which is Jesus.

So at least in Acts chapter 5 the Holy Spirit, God, Spirit of the Lord which is Jesus are all being used as the same individual Deity.

Why not say “You have lied to the Lord”? What specifically was added by including “Spirit of”?

These are just questions I ask in my head. :)
 
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