Trinity, lets make sense of it
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and it says the word was god too and became Flesh . what is your point? That Jesus the Son is God amen ans that God the Father is God amen
It was a reply to those who think the Word was created.
God and the Word [2] beings,
became the Father and Son[2] beings
Jesus sitting on the right hand of God the Father[2] beings
You have a distorted view of God my friend. I once was where you are now. When I saw the word ‘God’ in the Bible, I thought it was referring to the Father. I once held to a modalistic view of God. Then that view became Arianism later. Finally, by God’s grace, He(pneuma...Spirit not ‘it’) opened my eyes to see a Triune Godhead...one God, three Persons.
Are you saying that [the Word] was not with God [the Father] in the beginning?
No. I am saying the Word has always been with the Father. You viewing the Spirit as an ‘it’ causes you to have a distorted view of God, my friend.
The Word, Jesus, is with God now. So what point are you trying to make my friend? He is seated on the right hand of the Father with God now.
My Point? again I was replying to someone who said Jesus was created,
but the bible says Jesus as the Word was With God [the Father] from forever.
That’s correct. But you’re placing an ‘it’ on the Holy Spirit when Jesus plainly called Him a person is quite troubling.
hah
If you have studied church history, you know there were a BUNCH OF different ideas floating around about who Jesus was.
At one point Arianism was the majority, today Trinitarianism is the majority.
Then why does it refer to the Holy Spirit in (John 1:32; Romans 8:16).
as it ?
Why does the epistles have most all greeting to God the Father,
and Jesus Christ, but not the Holy Spirit
What historians say, and what they call the lost century in history.
as Edward Gibbon wrote in
The History of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire
"The scanty materials of ecclesiastical history seldom enable us
to dispel the cloud that hangs over the first age of the church .
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Jesse Lyman Hurlbert in
The story of the christian church
the age just after the book of acts he calls "..the age of shadows.."
"of all the periods in the churches history, it is the one about which we know
the least about. For fifty years after St. Paul's life a curtain hangs over the church,
through which we strive vainly to look;
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William McLaughlin in
The Course of Christian History
"But Christianity itself had been in the process of transformation as it progressed
and at the close of the period was in many respects quite different from the apostolic
Christianity."
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Samuel G. Green in
A handbook of church History
"The thirty years which followed the close of the New Testement canon and the
destruction of Jerusalem, are in truth the most obscure in the history of the church.
When we emerge in the second century, we are to a great extent in a changed world."
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William fitzgerald in
lectures on ecclesiastical History
"over this period of transition, which immediatly succeeds upon
the era properly called apostolic, great obscurity hangs."
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Philip Schaff in
History of the Christian Church
"The remaining thirty years of the first century are involved in mysterious darkness,
illuminated only by the writings of John. This is a period of church history about which
we know least and would like to know most."
"Simon Magus unquestionably adulterated Christianity with pagon ideas and practices
and gave himself out for an emanation of God."
"This heresy in the second century spread over the whole church, east and west,
in the various schools of agnosticism."
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Satan was doing everything he could to destroy the Work of God, and in
little more than two decades, God’s people were turning to another gospel.
This was the time of the Roman Empire , and in around 117 AD, at its greatest extent.
streched from Britian clear to modern day Turkey, and it ruled with the rod of iron.
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I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years
I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him.(John 1 NASB)
32 καὶ ἐμαρτύρησεν Ἰωάννης λέγων ὅτι Τεθέαμαι τὸ πνεῦμα καταβαῖνον [a]ὡς περιστερὰν ἐξ οὐρανοῦ, καὶ ἔμεινεν ἐπ’ αὐτόν·(John 1)
Pneuma is neuter, but that does not mean He(the Holy Spirit) is an ‘it’. Pneuma is used in John 4:24 is reference to God. Is God an ‘it’, too, my friend?
Sin in Greek is hamatia, and is feminine. Does that mean only females sin?
16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,(Romans 8:16). Himself, not an ‘it’ my friend.
16 αὐτὸ τὸ πνεῦμα συμμαρτυρεῖ τῷ πνεύματι ἡμῶν ὅτι ἐσμὲν τέκνα θεοῦ.(Romans 8)
Now, this is a great question, and one I have never even really thought about. Allow me to study this out my friend.