Snide comments don't solve anything. Do you have something of value to contribute?
TONGUES false teaching.
- Thread starter Major
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Not at all. It is very much a real question. I do not know what you know about 1:8 Please tell me what was said and who was speaking and what does it mean? If you don't know, fine. I will tell you IF you don't know.
I fully AGREE that people are misusing and even counterfeiting Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Let us work together, under the Authority of Christ as our Savior King, and agree with Him who calls us out of darkness.
What we must find out is: Are the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for His Body still pleasing and in effect from God for us Today?
PEACE
excuse me the Phaieeses said Jesus healed people by the power of the devil. I had a type-o error
I'm not questioning the usage of the gift, I'm questioning the gift itself. If people have false tongues, but are claiming it's the gift of the Spirit, they are taking the name of the Lord in vain. This is a serious problem that needs to be addressed and corrected. I ask again, have you read my original post here: https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227
?
Before we can even approach the 'analysis' and 'documentation' of spiritual things which very seldom can be measured in physical terms, we must first find out if the Gifts of the Holy Spirit were a 'one and done' outpouring by God.
If, YES - then it's all of satan.
If, NO - then we know, by Scripture, of it's misuse and even fakery.
I'm just trying to find out for myself and for millions of other Christians, where does the practice of tongues today come from - is it from God, or from men? We already know the claim. Let's go for the proof. I think this is a good place to start, since tongues is so prominent. If people accepted this task, it could be started immediately. If we had a valid process by which to discern between the real and the fake, I think it would go a long way to solving this controversy. Agreed?
You said: "I'm just trying to find out for myself and for millions of other Christians, where does the practice of tongues today come from - is it from God, or from men?"
AMEN - AGREE - Let's find that answer.
Where would you start for the answer?
K
kaylagrl
Guest
So this quote "I spoke in tongues as it is taught by all those denominations," doesn't hold true for A of G. AofG doesn't "teach" people to speak in tongues. While I don't at this moment attend an AofG church, I have most of my life. I have family members that are pastors in the AofG in Canada. If anyone were to "teach" a person to talk in tongues they would lose their licence. Benny Hinn use to be a part of the AofG and he parted ways with them because they didn't hold with many of his teachings. I have never attended the other churches, but I do know Holiness Pentecostal sees tongues as an issue of salvation, AofG does not. I didn't read you post fully because I've heard all the arguments before. I don't see it as an issue of salvation and I don't see arguing with people who have already made up their minds not to change their minds. Waste of time an breath. The only issue I have is when a person says it's done by demonic power or the person is a fraud, then we're going to have a come to Jesus moment. Otherwise, why argue. If it's something you don't want to seek, don't. But don't tar everyone with the same brush, please. That's all I have to say on the subject.
K
kaylagrl
Guest
No, I want people to believe what the Word says and what Gods says in that Word. I posted Scripture of what God says, either you believe His words or you don't.
Deadly.
Then I could myself among good company, because the men who wrote it, taught it and believed the Word of God believed it was the inspired words of God Himself. And they took that extremely seriously.
There is nothing more realistic than Gods words to use though the Bible I can assure you. They are life and death. Within them is how you understand God/ Christ/Holy Spirit. I hope you go deeper in the Word and you'll be glad you did.
K
kaylagrl
Guest
My brother, Thomas was a realist till he put his hands on the wounds of the risen Christ!!
I don't agree with the progression of logic here. Firstly, that if the gifts were 'one and done', then it's all of Satan today. Fakery (even that done in sincere belief) is a man-originated and man-centered activity, albeit religious. You can't call it 'all of Satan.'
Secondly, "If, NO - then we know, by Scripture, of it's misuse and even fakery." - if Clement of Rome was still trying to deal with the errors of the Corinthian church 50 years after Paul (as in 1 Clement), it's not so cut and dried.
The reason for the disunity is that the scripture is not so clear. If Paul would have just once mentioned a false tongues, then I think we wouldn't have this problem today. But if the Pentecostal and Charismatic (P/C) churches strictly enforced Paul's instruction in 1 Cor. 14, IMO we wouldn't see such prolific error.
I think the root of the problem is how tongues is defined, and that's why I want to have it examined carefully. If we start seeing it examined, and well-define what is Biblical and what isn't, I think people will begin fearing God again, and stop the nonsense. If there is any authentic gift out there, I'd like to know about it. But if it is all (100%) shown to be counterfeit, then the solution is a no-brainer.
Did you read my original post here:
https://christianchat.com/threads/tongues-false-teaching.196454/post-4737227
?
In that post, I clearly show how to do that.
AoG doesn't teach people how to speak in tongues from the pulpit, but in prayer meetings they certainly do it, as I have heard them do many times. It's a systemic problem. If someone says "speak, but not in English" in order to prompt you to start speaking gibberish, and thereby "prime the pump," then that's teaching people to do it. That's exactly how I got started.
I didn't "tar" anyone. If you read what I wrote carefully, you would see that I'm trying to clean up the P/C movement so that authentic gifts can clearly be seen as they were in the book of Acts. I'm sick and tired of all the claims that have no basis in truth. This is part of my agenda posting here. Just because someone makes a claim, doesn't make their claim truthful. I'm just saying "prove it." And haggling over opinions about what verses of scripture means doesn't cut the mustard, as is shown by 56 pages of debating in this thread.
