Three Questions for Calvinists

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Grandpa said:
John 10:26-28
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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John 10:27-28
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Grandpa said:
John 10:26-28
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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and EVERYONE Else, including the SHEEP:

Romans 1:
19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them.
20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—

So people are without excuse— that means EVERYONE!
 
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Polar said:
LOL!

you switching sides?
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No.
He is addressing the elect persons.Those who are saved, and those who will be saved in the future.To-usward
Polar said:
Well either that unregenerate person is listening or according to you, not listening?

Sounds as confusing as TULIP :unsure::cautious:

Sadly some folks listen to spiritual messages that are not from God. However there is hope. One has only to believe that God calls all to repentance, notwithstanding some respond negatively. This does not mean God created them to party with the devil in the lake of fire.

If Calvinism is true, (which of course it isn't), then God alone wills and brings about His will. If it is His will that all men may be saved, then who hinders Him?

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." II Peter 3:9​
Do Calvinists believe God is also confused on the matter?
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No...you do not understand 2 pet 3:9.
God is very willing that many perish..mt 7:21-24
 
Iconoclast said:
You do not understand what you posted.
All men= not jews only
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Why are you harping on this??? I said absolutely nothing whatsoever about Jews only.

I posted a Scripture that plainly states, all men.

Not sure what your problem is, but it is evident you have one.
 
Magenta said:
Why are you harping on this??? I said absolutely nothing whatsoever about Jews only.

I posted a Scripture that plainly states, all men.

Not sure what your problem is, but it is evident you have one.
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I like when people like you are clueless as the end of jn 11 speaks of the children of God being scattered worldwide, in other words, not Israel only, so 12:32 is addressing that.
It goes right over your head, yet you get all excited because of the word.....all
That is why you do not get it, yet you think your just fine.
 
Iconoclast said:
I like when people like you are clueless as the end of jn 11 speaks of the children of God being scattered worldwide, in other words, not Israel only, so 12:32 is addressing that.
It goes right over your head, yet you get all excited because of the word.....all
That is why you do not get it, yet you think your just fine.
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I said nothing about Jews only. Your erroneous assumptions and false accusations do not change that very salient fact.
 
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GaryA said:
The fact that you do not separate what you have to say from scripture verse quotes tells me something about you...

I would not dare to jam what I have to say right up into the end of a quoted scripture verse/passage - so that people, while reading the verse/passage, run right into [anything that is] non-scripture - without a clear separation between scripture and non-scripture.

To me - it is "a given" - out of respect for the Word of God.

If I post quoted scripture, you can expect to see a clear separation between it and anything before it and/or after it.

I don't just "throw it down" like words from a bucket - it is neat and orderly - and, easy to read.

Sometimes, it is necessary to do highlighting, etc. while making a discussion - but, I try to do so with respect - keeping it neat and orderly - and, easy to read.

I do this in part simply out of respect for the Word of God.

(The other part being, I try to write whatever I post in a way that is easy to read.)

The "special treatment" that I give to putting scripture quotes in my posts is no accident.

It "just kills me" to see others on here "throwing down" scripture quotes like any 'ole trashy set of words...

It always tells me something about their personality and character - and, how much they really do or don't respect the Word of God.

These are very special words, and should be given special treatment.

And, in my thinking, anyone who truly respects the Word of God is going to treat it with care - better than any other words in the post.

Anyone who mixes it with non-scripture in a messy/sloppy way - does not truly respect it. (AFAIAC)

Anyone who does what you did in the quote above - I just cannot bring myself to think of them very highly - with regard to their 'spiritual' attitude.

If a person is not willing to make the effort to show special regard and respect to the Word of God when they post - I just don't see why I should pay any attention to what they have to say [about spiritual things].

Why should anyone listen to you when you clearly show that you don't respect the Word of God enough to give it "top billing" in your posts?

That is the kind of questions I think of when I see "crappy" treatment of the Word of God in a post.

Simply because of the sloppy way you present the Word of God, I really have no interest in what you have to say.

I do not (with certain rare exceptions) post scripture without including book, chapter, and verse(s) in a neat and orderly fashion - and, always spell out the full name of the book:

2 Thessalonians 2:

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Please note that 'belief of the truth' is not something that God does - it is done by the one who decides to believe the truth - through their own free will.

The "choosing" that God does is based on His foreknowlege of who accepts Him - through their own free will.

Romans 8:

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

He did not simply decide who would be saved and who would be lost.
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Foreknowledge is God setting His love on the elect children in a Covenant love.
He does not look forward to see what happens, then react

He elected all the Father gave to Himjn6:37-45
 
Iconoclast said:
Foreknowledge is God setting His love on the elect children in a Covenant love. He does not look forward to see what happens, then react
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If we do not twist the meaning of "foreknowledge" it is simply God knowing well in advance all that will happen in the future. He knows the end from the beginning. And no, God does not "react", but He also does not do what is contrary to His character. He elects for glorification those who are justified by grace through faith (Rom 8:29,30). But salvation is offered to all. All have sinned, all need to be saved, but all will not be saved unless all obey the Gospel. Unfortunately not all will be saved.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
If we do not twist the meaning of "foreknowledge" it is simply God knowing well in advance all that will happen in the future. He knows the end from the beginning. And no, God does not "react", but He also does not do what is contrary to His character. He elects for glorification those who are justified by grace through faith (Rom 8:29,30). But salvation is offered to all. All have sinned, all need to be saved, but all will not be saved unless all obey the Gospel. Unfortunately not all will be saved.
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That is not what the word means in the Bible.
It says WHOM He did foreknow,
Not what He did foreknow.
You and others who despise truth say such things to no avail.
 
Iconoclast said:
It says WHOM He did foreknow, Not what He did foreknow.
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Same difference. God foreknew those who would believe on the Lord Jesus Christ since He knows the end from the beginning.

God DOES NOT elect some for salvation and the rest for damnation. That is a damnable doctrine. But God does elect His children for glorification -- that they may be "conformed to the image of His Son". And all could be saved is all would repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Same difference. God foreknew those who would believe on the Lord Jesus Christ since He knows the end from the beginning.

God DOES NOT elect some for salvation and the rest for damnation. That is a damnable doctrine. But God does elect His children for glorification -- that they may be "conformed to the image of His Son". And all could be saved is all would repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
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God knew them before the world was,2Tim.1:9
If God did not elect the multitude none would be saved.
Your post makes no sense.
It is known as the golden chain of redemption.
All 5 links are part of the package.
 
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