Things that jeopardize salvation

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Thanks .. context here matters. What was Paul talking before verse 19? Paul in this letter emphasized the ongoing role of the spirit in the life of believers. Paul contrasted the sinful flesh and its desires with the Spirit and His work. These are constantly clashing with each other So Paul warned the Galatian believers to be on guard lest in the process of senseless controversy brought on by the Judaizers they would be devoured by such sinful activity.

Some teach this is about how one can lose salvation.. I don't see that here " inherit the kingdom of God ". "Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” My guess is Paul was talking to them who said Jesus is lord yet did not "depart from iniquity". Not talking being tempted or stuck in sin.. its freely walking in these things. So who are you? As its written the new man or the old? All that sin is still in the old man which loves to sin. The new man does not aka walk in the spirit you will nut fulfill the lust of the flesh.

But back to the top.. talking about what these "sins/flesh" are.. I find it better as he did .. to walk in the spirit you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh "But I say, walk habitually in the [Holy] Spirit [seek Him and be responsive to His guidance], and then you will certainly not carry out the desire of the sinful nature [which responds impulsively without regard for God and His precepts]. " Do you know how to walk in the spirit is what matters here. ". See to whom was Paul talking and why?
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I'm going to start with this verse and spend some time with it because the translations of some words don't given the intended meaning IMO.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21​
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The works of the flesh are manifest in believers who think salvation can be lost/forfeited/walked away from.
 
I'm posting a bit before I'd like to but busy today. As a start, Gal5:19-21 observations re: not inheriting the Kingdom of God:

NKJ Gal5:19–21 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Observations:
  • Paul lists specific works of the flesh that make a life outside Spirit-led life evident.
  • These acts are habitual, indicating a sustained pattern of life under law under flesh, rather than occasional sins.
  • Those who habitually practice these sinful behaviors are described as outside the sphere of the Spirit-led New Covenant community.
  • Paul does not specifically say the Spirit departs, but the effects of Spirit-led life, commanded walking, and bearing fruit, are absent.
  • The explicit outcome is that such people will not inherit the kingdom of God (5:21).
  • In Galatians, inheritance is tied to sonship, heirship, and participation in the believing community (see 4:6–7).
  • Therefore, habitual fleshly living is indicative that those so living have departed the covenant community and do not partake of the benefits associated with sonship/heirship promised to the NC community.
Arguments from silence:
  • Loss or no loss of Salvation
  • Loss or no loss of the Spirit
  • Remain or not remain “in Christ”
  • Entrance into the Kingdom vs. inheriting the Kingdom
These points must be considered in light of being severed from Christ, Christ being of no benefit, fallen from Grace, and not inheriting (where Gal4:7 says all sons are heirs). For example:
  • If all sons are heirs, how can a true son fail to inherit?
  • If someone does not inherit, how can they still be a true son?
  • If they are not a true son, how can they gain entrance into the kingdom?
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Totally gnostic idea that our physical bodies produce nothing but evil and sin. The fleshly body is capable of doing good when it's ruled by the spirit.

It's not a matter of having done something on that list. It's a matter of what we practice now.

btw where is this "interim spiritual body" located? I read nothing about it in scripture.
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Here's a good question for you:
Galatians 3 NKJV
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?


On the question of the dirty laundry list of sins, the idea of "practicing" sin carries much meaning.

When asked about forgiveness Jesus said this:

21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven."


7 x 70 is widely understood to mean EVERY and ANY sin.

What is being forgiven? Sins and offenses committed by a BROTHER.

Therefore, from this passage and others, brothers can and do sin and are forgiven.


So then we always get to the human logical place that says something along the lines of, " You are giving a license to sin to people by saying their sins after rebirth are forgiven!"

Ridiculous assertion. Sin is ALWAYS wrong, and should NEVER be considered ok. There are always consequences to sin. BUT, one of them WON'T be the loss of Salvation for the truly born again child of God.

Having said that, if you are living in UNREPENTANT, UNCONFESSED sin, AND there is no conviction about from the Holy Spirit, and you think it's just fine to continue in it, then you better check yourself. Because you probably were never saved, and have deluded yourself.

Exceedingly dangerous place for a person. Doesn't mean they CAN'T be saved, but God may have seared their consciences.
 
studier said:
You (and many others) may be reading ES into Gal. I'm open to arguments against ES here and see reason to be.
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But I'm not, that's been the point of my posts. As far as I am concerned it is simply a statement of fact that the flesh (not the physical body but the worldly system) and the Spirit are antithetical. I would never use this passage to either affirm or deny Eternal Security. I just don't think it is addressing the issue.

Thanks for the link. May I get back to you if I have questions?
 
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sawdust said:
But I'm not, that's been the point of my posts. As far as I am concerned it is simply a statement of fact that the flesh (not the physical body but the worldly system) and the Spirit are antithetical. I would never use this passage to either affirm or deny Eternal Security. I just don't think it is addressing the issue.

Thanks for the link. May I get back to you if I have questions?
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Good response.

Of course.
 
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