The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[Mem]

Just trying to understand the premise of the OP. The KJV is the "key" which unlocks the Word of God or no?

The Beginning of Knowledge

6by understanding the proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.

Wisdom Calls Aloud

23If you had repented at my rebuke,
then surely I would have poured out my spirit on you;
I would have made my words known to you.


Stolen water and bread eaten in secret (i.e. code; manners, etiquette, set of principles)

Proverbs 9
The Way of Wisdom
4“Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!”
she says to him who lacks judgment.
5“Come, eat my bread
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6Leave your folly behind, and you will live;
walk in the way of understanding.”


The Way of Folly
16“Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!”
she says to him who lacks judgment.
17“Stolen water is sweet,
and bread eaten in secret is tasty!”
18But they do not know that the deadc are there,
that her guests are in the depths of Sheol.


An article from learnlanguagesfromhome.com, What Are Dead Languages and How Many Are There? offers a list of dead languages and discusses the value of learning from them with one of the reasons why scholars study these languages being, "Decoding ancient texts:"

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

An article from learnlanguagesfromhome.com, What Are Dead Languages and How Many Are There? offers a list of dead languages and discusses the value of learning from them with one of the reasons why scholars study these languages being, "Decoding ancient texts:"

I appreciate you posting this link.

Recently I've been re-studying a particular Greek word (G646) and how Winer's Grammar makes this point about it: "The earlier Greeks say ἀπόστασις [apostasis ]; see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 528; (Winer's Grammar, 24)." - https://biblehub.com/greek/646.htm (under "Thayer's Lexicon" heading).


IOW, Winer (in his Greek Grammar) is pointing out its EARLIER form, from Ancient Greek (mentioned on your LIST at #2, at your link).

So I've been studying how (and where) that particular word (G646) was used at that time (particularly, in a certain text written in 414bc)... it's been very interesting.

Again, I appreciate you posting the link to that article... and your comment on it.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ ... and it's important, in my study, because many say that they only see this word carrying such a meaning (that some scholars present) as originating WELL AFTER (like, centuries AFTER) the Bible was written--but it simply is not so! "Ancient Greek's" use of this word, in that very way, proves it. lol

 

[posthuman]

I do not belive the word of God is a secret code that has to be figured out, unlocked or decoded.
God is not a god of mystery, he is not a god of confusion.
He does not hide from us, but shows himself openly. He is like the morning star.
He's word is ment to be easy to understand.

I know Jesus talked in parables to people, but Jesus said this was done to fullfill prophecy.

I do not beleive you have to attend a University to learn the meaning behind God's word. I believe you just have to reach out and take the KJV, and read it.

the Word of God isn't simple.

Proverbs 1:22​

How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity?​

For scorners delight in their scorning, ​

And fools hate knowledge.​

​

 

[posthuman]

He knew He was addressing simple folks.

folks whom He does not want to remain simple.

by wisdom a house is built, by understanding it is strengthened, and by knowledge its rooms are filled.

yes it's easy to build a simple lean-to from leaves and twigs gathered off the surface. but when the wind blows, it collapses.

 

[John146]

And that's all? That's your take on how many Christians use it? Go to Amazon and see how many different kinds of King James Bibles are being offered. If there was no wide market for them, do you think the publishers would keep printing them? Pastor John Hagee has more than 22,000 members in his church and he uses the KJV exclusively. Don't you think all those members would also be using them?

I was just replying to your comment on thousands using it. I believe it's in the millions, no?

 

[John146]

Yes, it is. Why do you think it contains words strange to modern readers like "wimples", "beesom", and "thou"? It was penned by scholars who were already adults by the time the 16th century turned into the 17th, so their language was from the previous.

If you think otherwise, I welcome you to present your argument, "No, it's not" doesn't qualify.

By the time the of completion of the KJV, in 1611, there were many words already being updated like the use of "you" for singular instead of thee. But the KJV translators were not looking to give the people an updated language bible, but instead wanted precision.

 

[Webers.Home]

.
There exists within the sphere of Christianity a privileged number of
believers that have the advantage of God's spirit in their understanding of
the Bible's texts.

● 1Cor 2:12-14 . . We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit
who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in
words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The
man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit
of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them,
because they are spiritually discerned.

Stated concisely: there is an understanding of the Bible in words and there is
an understanding of the Bible in spirit. Those blessed with an understanding
of the Bible in spirit definitely have a leg up on John Que and Jane Doe rank
and file pew warmers.
_

 

[Webers.Home]

.
● 1John 2:26-27 . .These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you. And as for you, the anointing that you received from him
remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but, as the
anointing from him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie,
and just as it has taught you, remain in union with him.

The anointing provides people with some valuable advantages to which
people who lack it of course have no access.

1) Protects people from deception

2) Enables people to comprehend Christ's teachings the way he wants them
comprehended.

3) Makes it possible for people to remain in union with him.

So then, we may conclude from 1John 2:26-27 that people lacking the
anointing:

1) Are susceptible to deception

2) Have very possibly bought into a lie and don't know it, because that's the
nature of deception: it's stealthy

3) Do not have in their possession the information one needs to abide in him

4) Are not abiding in him

NOTE: Anointed Christians still need human Bible teachers. (Eph 4:11-15) But
human teachers cannot condition their students' spiritual intuition to recognize
the God's truth when they hear it; viz: human teachers cannot give their students
a feel for the God's truth, nor can human teachers break down their students'
natural resistance to accepting the God's truth.
_

 

[Edify]

Was this thread originally about KJV onlyism?If it wasn't, did some of you make it that way?
If it was, who forced you to drink the kool-aid? If it was specifically for those on both sides of the subject, then congratulations, you took the bait & did as he wanted.
If anyone wants to prove we cannot disagree agreeably, they don't have to do much to prove it.
I must confess, I'm not on here as much as I want to because I can't always endure it.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I do not belive the word of God is a secret code that has to be figured out, unlocked or decoded.
God is not a god of mystery, he is not a god of confusion.
He does not hide from us, but shows himself openly. He is like the morning star.
He's word is ment to be easy to understand.

I know Jesus talked in parables to people, but Jesus said this was done to fullfill prophecy.

I do not beleive you have to attend a University to learn the meaning behind God's word. I believe you just have to reach out and take the KJV, and read it.

Amen It’s just about believing what we learn as it is . Some understand a little bit others a lot it’s about not rejecting what we’re learning as we learn it so it can change how we think about God and man. Bring us along like a fether would his children tesching and causing growth and maturity

 

[Lamar]

Yes, it is. Why do you think it contains words strange to modern readers like "wimples", "beesom", and "thou"? It was penned by scholars who were already adults by the time the 16th century turned into the 17th, so their language was from the previous.

If you think otherwise, I welcome you to present your argument, "No, it's not" doesn't qualify.

Well I do think otherwise.

Here is John 3:16 in the KJV:

John 3:16
King James Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Here is John 3:16 in 16th Century English:

¶ For God so loued þe world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

So what am I missing?

And "Yes, it is" doesn't qualify.

 

[homwardbound]

God is not a god of mystery, he is not a god of confusion.

God is a God of mystery, yes to not a God of confusion
The mysteries of God get revealed to whomever God decides to reveal them too
The confusing god, is evil, and uses all troubles at one time to enter into people and this does the confusing and people get angry over it
God takes one thing at a time for us to hear and solve within us each person one person at a time.
I remember when I was confused early in life, that began at age 14 for me. Then other problems entered and kept on coming and I kept hiding and got worse in them until I saw to take one problem at a time and solve, then go to the next one. Started at the most important one first. Learning learned and not in pride either anymore as was, yet that does and has entered into it again and again and then not, as I continue to trust God to reveal whatever is needed to me and be in Thanksgiving and praise even if in adversity still
I know God loves us all y'all

 

[Dino246]

By the time the of completion of the KJV, in 1611, there were many words already being updated like the use of "you" for singular instead of thee. But the KJV translators were not looking to give the people an updated language bible, but instead wanted precision.

Which reinforces my point that it was written in 16th-century English.

Why is this so hard for people to accept?

 

[Dino246]

.
There exists within the sphere of Christianity a privileged number of
believers that have the advantage of God's spirit in their understanding of
the Bible's texts.

● 1Cor 2:12-14 . . We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit
who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in
words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The
man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit
of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them,
because they are spiritually discerned.

Stated concisely: there is an understanding of the Bible in words and there is
an understanding of the Bible in spirit. Those blessed with an understanding
of the Bible in spirit definitely have a leg up on John Que and Jane Doe rank
and file pew warmers.
_

You arrogantly assume that most Christians don’t have the Holy Spirit. What you clearly do not understand is that those without the Holy Spirit are not Christians.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

I do not belive the word of God is a secret code that has to be figured out, unlocked or decoded.
God is not a god of mystery, he is not a god of confusion.
He does not hide from us, but shows himself openly. He is like the morning star.
He's word is ment to be easy to understand.

I know Jesus talked in parables to people, but Jesus said this was done to fullfill prophecy.

I do not beleive you have to attend a University to learn the meaning behind God's word. I believe you just have to reach out and take the KJV, and read it.

John 12:26 KJV
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 Corinthians 2:13 KJV
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[Dino246]

Well I do think otherwise.

Here is John 3:16 in the KJV:

John 3:16
King James Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Here is John 3:16 in 16th Century English:

¶ For God so loued þe world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.

So what am I missing?

And "Yes, it is" doesn't qualify.

Letter shapes and spelling have changed. Print runs in the last 100 years (at the very least) use updated form and spelling.

I haven’t attempted to defend my point with, “Yes, it is” so your comment is baseless at best.

 

[Magenta]

Hence: “from here”
Hither: “to here”
Thence: “from there”
Thither: “to there”
Whence: “from where”
Whither: “to where”

Howbeit wherefore thou may speaketh thusly, many canst and furthermore dare say
I they wither and shiver to comprehendeth not that which their hapless eyes fall upon.
Perchance thou dost seek to upon them inflict such tortures while they yearn to eschew them.

 

[Cameron143]

Forsooth, what sound through yonder voice doth spring?

 

[GaryA]

I haven’t attempted to defend my point with, “Yes, it is” so your comment is baseless at best.

This is what he is referring to:

Yes, it is.