The Way of the Sword in the Old Testament; Has it Ended?
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Judaism
Hanukkah: As the story goes, a small quantity of oil to light the Temple's menorah miraculously lasted eight days. Hanukkah signifies that the jewish people were able to reach purity without the Messiah
Messianic
Jesus Christ: Rose from the dead on the day after the sabbath (seventh day) and broke through to the eighth day. We need the Messiah to reach purity.
Messianic Jews celebrate two ways to get to the eighth day - to reach purity. This is error. Hanukkah is man-made, it is not from God.
Hanukkah: As the story goes, a small quantity of oil to light the Temple's menorah miraculously lasted eight days. Hanukkah signifies that the jewish people were able to reach purity without the Messiah
Messianic
Jesus Christ: Rose from the dead on the day after the sabbath (seventh day) and broke through to the eighth day. We need the Messiah to reach purity.
Messianic Jews celebrate two ways to get to the eighth day - to reach purity. This is error. Hanukkah is man-made, it is not from God.
This applies to , for example, say you were raised in a muslim home and all your family were muslims. And you one day came into the truth and followed Jesus. You enemies now become you father and mother and sister and brother... They will be angry with you or disown you and you will not be at peace with then the people you were closet to on this earth. They may even report you to the authorities if it is an oppressive government or they may ostracize you or even want to kill you for renouncing your faith and being a disgrace.
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Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/
Israel still has prophecies to be fulfilled as explained in
https://www.gotquestions.org/all-Israel-saved.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/all-Israel-saved.html
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Christians are God's chosen people...
Ephesians
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Galatians
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Galatians
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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This is a great point.
Those that look too literally at the NT (thus revert back to the OT) will see the promise land as being literal Israel.
They will see a need for a literal stone temple in Jerusalem.
And they will be more favorable toward intertwining church and state, or at least church and politics.
They will more likely view their land as the USA instead of viewing their land as the church.
Instead of the focus remaining on preaching the gospel; the love and grace of Christ and the opportunity for repentance for the un-believers, the focus will shift more and more to judging the un-believers and advocating for cultural and legal changes requiring un-believers to follow the moral law.
But what good is it for an un-believer to follow the moral law? For no one is justified by the law. Getting an un-believer to follow the moral law is more beneficial to the believer. Therefore, the mixing of politics and church is a more selfish endeavor. It is a more fleshly endeavor. For we see the un-believer as the enemy. Thus the sword is literal.
To resist judging un-believers and their lawless ways and to instead share the gospel message of grace and hope and love and the opportunity for repentance and peace with God is a more selfless endeavor. This is a more spiritual endeavor. For here we see that the un-believer is not the real enemy. The demonic power they are enslaved to is the real enemy. Thus the sword is spiritual.
Can we over spiritualize the NT? Yes. We can to the point where we forget about the final literal judgement.
Can we over literalize the NT? Of Course. We can be so zealous for the final literal judgement that we start bringing the judgement here and now.
For those who view their land as spiritual (the church) and their enemy as spiritual (demonic), will want to devote more of their time wielding a spiritual sword.
For those who view their land as literal (USA) and their enemy as literal (flesh), will want to devote more of their time wielding a literal sword.
Those that look too literally at the NT (thus revert back to the OT) will see the promise land as being literal Israel.
They will see a need for a literal stone temple in Jerusalem.
And they will be more favorable toward intertwining church and state, or at least church and politics.
They will more likely view their land as the USA instead of viewing their land as the church.
Instead of the focus remaining on preaching the gospel; the love and grace of Christ and the opportunity for repentance for the un-believers, the focus will shift more and more to judging the un-believers and advocating for cultural and legal changes requiring un-believers to follow the moral law.
But what good is it for an un-believer to follow the moral law? For no one is justified by the law. Getting an un-believer to follow the moral law is more beneficial to the believer. Therefore, the mixing of politics and church is a more selfish endeavor. It is a more fleshly endeavor. For we see the un-believer as the enemy. Thus the sword is literal.
To resist judging un-believers and their lawless ways and to instead share the gospel message of grace and hope and love and the opportunity for repentance and peace with God is a more selfless endeavor. This is a more spiritual endeavor. For here we see that the un-believer is not the real enemy. The demonic power they are enslaved to is the real enemy. Thus the sword is spiritual.
Can we over spiritualize the NT? Yes. We can to the point where we forget about the final literal judgement.
Can we over literalize the NT? Of Course. We can be so zealous for the final literal judgement that we start bringing the judgement here and now.
For those who view their land as spiritual (the church) and their enemy as spiritual (demonic), will want to devote more of their time wielding a spiritual sword.
For those who view their land as literal (USA) and their enemy as literal (flesh), will want to devote more of their time wielding a literal sword.
Yes, but my point is this; to be found in a state of rejecting the blood Jesus that He shed for all 2000 years ago will be a bad, bad thing... no matter what your ethnic background is. Many Judaizers will be save in the Tribulation, but they will have to accept the same blood of Jesus that the rest of us have. Better to be ready before the Rapture than have to enter the Trib with the Judaizers.
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