The Tribulation: Part I - Refinement, Not Removal

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In Matthew 24, Jesus gives one continuous teaching. He speaks about deception, trouble, persecution, and then His visible return.

He says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30). The order is simple. Tribulation first. Then His coming in glory.

Then He says, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:31). The angels gather, but it is still His coming. In the Bible, angels often carry out the King’s command. When the Son of Man comes, He sends His angels. That does not mean He is absent. It shows His authority.

The gathering “from one end of heaven to the other” does not prove they were already living in heaven. In Scripture, “heaven” can mean the sky or the visible heavens above the earth. It can simply mean from one end of the earth to the other under heaven. Jesus is describing a complete gathering of His people everywhere.

Now about “as the days of Noah were” (Matthew 24:37–39). Jesus explains what He means. People were eating, drinking, marrying, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away. His point is suddenness and unprepared hearts. He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God.

The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready.

When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.

The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour.

Now concerning the seven years from Daniel 9:27, the “one week” prophecy is often connected to end-time teaching. But in Matthew 24, Jesus does not clearly divide His coming into two different visible returns. He speaks of one coming “after the tribulation.”

In Revelation 19, Christ appears on a white horse with power and glory. That matches the language of Matthew 24:30. It presents one glorious appearing where He comes in victory.

About the bride and bridegroom: Jesus does call Himself the bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). The church is pictured as a bride (Revelation 19:7–8). But Scripture does not clearly state that the bridegroom comes secretly seven years before the visible coming in glory. That idea is built by connecting many passages together, but Matthew 24 itself presents a single visible coming after tribulation.

In the end, Jesus’ main message in Matthew 24–25 is not to argue over timelines. It is this: watch, endure, be faithful, and be ready. Some focus strongly on escaping tribulation. Others focus strongly on going through it. But Jesus repeats one command again and again: “Watch therefore” (Matthew 24:42). Be ready for Him.

The heart of the teaching is not fear, and not debate. It is faithfulness.
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"The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour."

You just proved tge rapture is not the second coming.
1) the setting is opposite your setting.
2) half the virgins are left behind.( half the church)
3) the wise virgins WENT WITH JESUS TO THE MARRIAGE CHAMBER.

Hello...your model has Jesus with millions of white horses, LEAVING HEAVEN...TO EARTH.

The groom in the story meets his bride AFTER SHE LEFT HER HOUSE ( earth) , and GOES WITH THE GROOM BACK TO HIS HOUSE.
Now remember...postribbers say they never go to heaven. They claim they do a uturn from the clouds and return to earth.
In direct opposition to the bible!!!!

It is surreal how the postrib doctrine muddies up so much of the bible.

Knowledge is your friend.
 
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"The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour."

You just proved tge rapture is not the second coming.
1) the setting is opposite your setting.
2) half the virgins are left behind.( half the church)
3) the wise virgins WENT WITH JESUS TO THE MARRIAGE CHAMBER.

Hello...your model has Jesus with millions of white horses, LEAVING HEAVEN...TO EARTH.

The groom in the story meets his bride AFTER SHE LEFT HER HOUSE ( earth) , and GOES WITH THE GROOM BACK TO HIS HOUSE.
Now remember...postribbers say they never go to heaven. They claim they do a uturn from the clouds and return to earth.
In direct opposition to the bible!!!!

It is surreal how the postrib doctrine muddies up so much of the bible.

Knowledge is your friend.


All this trying to muddy the waters.... 😵‍💫

Now I see why Lord Jesus kept it simple.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.


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If God says that's His will then that is what is going to happen.

No need to complicate it with charts and huge numbers of twisted bible verses like pre-trib false doctrine.

Jesus also said it's God's will - a double confirmation.

So yeah, it's simple and will happen just as Lord Jesys says it will.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.


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Jesus also told the disciples "not a hair on your head will be harmed"
All but John were brutally murdered.

Jesus said that none of his will be lost.
He lost Judas.

Jesus said , " there are some standing here that will not see death till they see the Son of man coming in the clouds"
None of them saw the second coming.

Now please show me the answers to these.

I can answer 2 of them.

You are taking something into a leap and thinking you did something.

It's like you found a green snowflake and are making bizarre conclusions about it.
 
Jesus also told the disciples "not a hair on your head will be harmed"
All but John were brutally murdered.

Jesus said that none of his will be lost.
He lost Judas.

Jesus said , " there are some standing here that will not see death till they see the Son of man coming in the clouds"
None of them saw the second coming.

Now please show me the answers to these.

I can answer 2 of them.

You are taking something into a leap and thinking you did something.

It's like you found a green snowflake and are making bizarre conclusions about it.


Death no linger has its sting because of Jesus. Do you not believe that?

The people that God sent to His son, Lord Jesus, do.

As for Judas, have you not read:

John 17:12 "While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled."

Jesus is very clear that none that God the Father sends to Him will be lost. They won't be fooled by you or the false pre'rrib doctrine. They are building themselves up in Jesus to endure to the end.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.


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""When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.""

Way way off.
That greek word for "taken " is used 99% of the time as " taken to a good place"

In fact, it is THE SAME WORD for "recieved", that is used in the epistles as a good thing.
(Ahem...OVER 50 TIMES)

From blue letter;
********Outline of Biblical Usage******
"to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self
an associate, a companion

metaph.
to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be
not to reject, not to withhold obedience
to receive something transmitted
an office to be discharged
to receive with the mind"

So many errors in the postrib model.

Way way off.
The meaning of “taken” in Matthew 24 must be decided by the context, not by how the Greek word is used elsewhere.

In Gospel of Matthew 24:37–41 Jesus compares His coming to the days of Noah. He says the flood came and “took them all away.” In that example, the ones taken were taken in judgment. Then He says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” The comparison connects the taking with judgment and separation.

When does that judgment happen? Jesus answers that too. In Gospel of Matthew 25:31–32 He says, “When the Son of man shall come in his glory… before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them.” The separation happens when He comes in glory. It is public and final.

He also said in Gospel of John 12:48 that His word will judge people “in the last day.” So resurrection, gathering, and judgment are all tied to that last day when He returns.

So the passage is not describing a secret event years earlier. Jesus places the separation at His visible coming, just as in the flood there was a clear moment of judgment and division.