The Tribulation: Part I - Refinement, Not Removal

[Psalm1]

Yeah, your post pretty much explains why the gathering is post-trib. It shows God's full power living in His faithful, enduring people.

The people the Father sends to His Son, Lord Jesus, even if some believed pre-trib at first, will quickly switch into endurance mode when they see they are in the great tribulation and will stick with Lord Jesus even if it means death, knowing that death no longer has its sting.


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Yes mat 24 has a postrib gathering in heaven.

Mat 24 has another gathering pre flood and pre Sodom burning.

God's people gathered.
But not at the end of anything.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

can you explain further and add secipture, thank you.

Your article is really spot on. Don't bother engaging false teachers because it's a waste of time to try to change their minds. They never will.

Time is short so use this time to build up God's people with articles like the one you just wrote. False teachers will not accept them, but God’s people will.


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[Omegatime]

Your article is really spot on. Don't bother engaging false teachers because it's a waste of time to try to change their minds. They never will.

Time is short so use this time to build up God's people with articles like the one you just wrote. False teachers will not accept them, but God’s people will.


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When are the Days of Noah and Lot fulfilled ??

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

When are the Days of Noah and Lot fulfilled ??

Doesn’t matter.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.


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[vassal]

Your article is really spot on. Don't bother engaging false teachers because it's a waste of time to try to change their minds. They never will.

Time is short so use this time to build up God's people with articles like the one you just wrote. False teachers will not accept them, but God’s people will.


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I came to the same conclusion a few days ago....

 

[vassal]

QUOTE
""In Matthew 24, after describing tribulation and deception, Jesus speaks of His visible return:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30).

The order is clear. Tribulation comes first. Glory follows.

He then says He will gather His elect (Matthew 24:31). The gathering comes after endurance has been demonstrated.""

Keep reading.
Not only are they gathered from heaven ( psssst...yes they are in heaven), but ANGELS gather, while Jesus is not gathering.

....and yes keep reading as Jesus says his coming BEFORE THE FLOOD ( PSSST PRETRIB) IS compared with Lot and Noah.
So you cave 2 "comings" in mat 24

.....and keep reading a few verses...
Context is your friend.

Almost in the same breath only 30 seconds later Jesus depicts the PRETRIB RAPTURE VIVIDLY in the virgin parable.

3 eschatological dynamics by Jesus in less than one minute.

....and YES one of them is POSTRIB!!!!
THE 2ND Coming on white horses.
Power and great glory.
Rev 19....the saints IN HEAVEN GATHERED TO THE WHITE HORSES. ( MAT 24 " power and great glory")
The trib is 7 years according to Daniel.
It is Jacob's trouble.
If you watch 20 postrib teachers, none of them know that the rapture is the groom coming for the bride.
None of them will say "groom" or "bride".
So obviously that is not their center.
Their center is ALWAYS "TRIBULATION "

Most postribbers are offended at the idea of a pretrib rapture.
That concept causes indignation to them.

So it actually drives their dialogue.

In Matthew 24, Jesus gives one continuous teaching. He speaks about deception, trouble, persecution, and then His visible return.

He says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30). The order is simple. Tribulation first. Then His coming in glory.

Then He says, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:31). The angels gather, but it is still His coming. In the Bible, angels often carry out the King’s command. When the Son of Man comes, He sends His angels. That does not mean He is absent. It shows His authority.

The gathering “from one end of heaven to the other” does not prove they were already living in heaven. In Scripture, “heaven” can mean the sky or the visible heavens above the earth. It can simply mean from one end of the earth to the other under heaven. Jesus is describing a complete gathering of His people everywhere.

Now about “as the days of Noah were” (Matthew 24:37–39). Jesus explains what He means. People were eating, drinking, marrying, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away. His point is suddenness and unprepared hearts. He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God.

The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready.

When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.

The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour.

Now concerning the seven years from Daniel 9:27, the “one week” prophecy is often connected to end-time teaching. But in Matthew 24, Jesus does not clearly divide His coming into two different visible returns. He speaks of one coming “after the tribulation.”

In Revelation 19, Christ appears on a white horse with power and glory. That matches the language of Matthew 24:30. It presents one glorious appearing where He comes in victory.

About the bride and bridegroom: Jesus does call Himself the bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). The church is pictured as a bride (Revelation 19:7–8). But Scripture does not clearly state that the bridegroom comes secretly seven years before the visible coming in glory. That idea is built by connecting many passages together, but Matthew 24 itself presents a single visible coming after tribulation.

In the end, Jesus’ main message in Matthew 24–25 is not to argue over timelines. It is this: watch, endure, be faithful, and be ready. Some focus strongly on escaping tribulation. Others focus strongly on going through it. But Jesus repeats one command again and again: “Watch therefore” (Matthew 24:42). Be ready for Him.

The heart of the teaching is not fear, and not debate. It is faithfulness.

 

[Psalm1]

In Matthew 24, Jesus gives one continuous teaching. He speaks about deception, trouble, persecution, and then His visible return.

He says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30). The order is simple. Tribulation first. Then His coming in glory.

Then He says, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:31). The angels gather, but it is still His coming. In the Bible, angels often carry out the King’s command. When the Son of Man comes, He sends His angels. That does not mean He is absent. It shows His authority.

The gathering “from one end of heaven to the other” does not prove they were already living in heaven. In Scripture, “heaven” can mean the sky or the visible heavens above the earth. It can simply mean from one end of the earth to the other under heaven. Jesus is describing a complete gathering of His people everywhere.

Now about “as the days of Noah were” (Matthew 24:37–39). Jesus explains what He means. People were eating, drinking, marrying, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away. His point is suddenness and unprepared hearts. He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God.

The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready.

When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.

The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour.

Now concerning the seven years from Daniel 9:27, the “one week” prophecy is often connected to end-time teaching. But in Matthew 24, Jesus does not clearly divide His coming into two different visible returns. He speaks of one coming “after the tribulation.”

In Revelation 19, Christ appears on a white horse with power and glory. That matches the language of Matthew 24:30. It presents one glorious appearing where He comes in victory.

About the bride and bridegroom: Jesus does call Himself the bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). The church is pictured as a bride (Revelation 19:7–8). But Scripture does not clearly state that the bridegroom comes secretly seven years before the visible coming in glory. That idea is built by connecting many passages together, but Matthew 24 itself presents a single visible coming after tribulation.

In the end, Jesus’ main message in Matthew 24–25 is not to argue over timelines. It is this: watch, endure, be faithful, and be ready. Some focus strongly on escaping tribulation. Others focus strongly on going through it. But Jesus repeats one command again and again: “Watch therefore” (Matthew 24:42). Be ready for Him.

The heart of the teaching is not fear, and not debate. It is faithfulness.

Your doctrine is one of omission as you have demonstrated.

Let's look at your spin on the ones taken/left behind.

Jesus says 50% are taken, and 50%left behind.

Are you saying the "ones taken" are wicked?

 

[Psalm1]

In Matthew 24, Jesus gives one continuous teaching. He speaks about deception, trouble, persecution, and then His visible return.

He says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30). The order is simple. Tribulation first. Then His coming in glory.

Then He says, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:31). The angels gather, but it is still His coming. In the Bible, angels often carry out the King’s command. When the Son of Man comes, He sends His angels. That does not mean He is absent. It shows His authority.

The gathering “from one end of heaven to the other” does not prove they were already living in heaven. In Scripture, “heaven” can mean the sky or the visible heavens above the earth. It can simply mean from one end of the earth to the other under heaven. Jesus is describing a complete gathering of His people everywhere.

Now about “as the days of Noah were” (Matthew 24:37–39). Jesus explains what He means. People were eating, drinking, marrying, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away. His point is suddenness and unprepared hearts. He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God.

The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready.

When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.

The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour.

Now concerning the seven years from Daniel 9:27, the “one week” prophecy is often connected to end-time teaching. But in Matthew 24, Jesus does not clearly divide His coming into two different visible returns. He speaks of one coming “after the tribulation.”

In Revelation 19, Christ appears on a white horse with power and glory. That matches the language of Matthew 24:30. It presents one glorious appearing where He comes in victory.

About the bride and bridegroom: Jesus does call Himself the bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). The church is pictured as a bride (Revelation 19:7–8). But Scripture does not clearly state that the bridegroom comes secretly seven years before the visible coming in glory. That idea is built by connecting many passages together, but Matthew 24 itself presents a single visible coming after tribulation.

In the end, Jesus’ main message in Matthew 24–25 is not to argue over timelines. It is this: watch, endure, be faithful, and be ready. Some focus strongly on escaping tribulation. Others focus strongly on going through it. But Jesus repeats one command again and again: “Watch therefore” (Matthew 24:42). Be ready for Him.

The heart of the teaching is not fear, and not debate. It is faithfulness.

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""The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready""

Huh?
You do understand you need lot to "go through" the fire and be rescued AFTER JUDGEMENT ?

Both Noah and Lot are pretrib dynamics.

Jesus said his coming compares with Noah, "BEFORE THE FLOOD".
Then he gives the SETTING of HIS COMING IS EXACTLY LIKE THAT SAME SETTING in Noah BEFOFORE THE FLOOD.
PSSSST ....your doctrine has the opposite setting.
Then you seem to be oblivious that BEFORE THE FLOOD, one is taken, one left.

You now have formulated a pretrib rapture of the wicked?
You claim before the flood half the earth is wicked?
A pretrib wicked rapture?

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Your doctrine is one of omission as you have demonstrated.

Let's look at your spin on the ones taken/left behind.

Jesus says 50% are taken, and 50%left behind.

Are you saying the "ones taken" are wicked?

God’s will prevails over your man-made reasons.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

You're only fooling the people that don't belong to God.


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[Psalm1]

In Matthew 24, Jesus gives one continuous teaching. He speaks about deception, trouble, persecution, and then His visible return.

He says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30). The order is simple. Tribulation first. Then His coming in glory.

Then He says, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:31). The angels gather, but it is still His coming. In the Bible, angels often carry out the King’s command. When the Son of Man comes, He sends His angels. That does not mean He is absent. It shows His authority.

The gathering “from one end of heaven to the other” does not prove they were already living in heaven. In Scripture, “heaven” can mean the sky or the visible heavens above the earth. It can simply mean from one end of the earth to the other under heaven. Jesus is describing a complete gathering of His people everywhere.

Now about “as the days of Noah were” (Matthew 24:37–39). Jesus explains what He means. People were eating, drinking, marrying, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away. His point is suddenness and unprepared hearts. He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God.

The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready.

When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.

The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour.

Now concerning the seven years from Daniel 9:27, the “one week” prophecy is often connected to end-time teaching. But in Matthew 24, Jesus does not clearly divide His coming into two different visible returns. He speaks of one coming “after the tribulation.”

In Revelation 19, Christ appears on a white horse with power and glory. That matches the language of Matthew 24:30. It presents one glorious appearing where He comes in victory.

About the bride and bridegroom: Jesus does call Himself the bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). The church is pictured as a bride (Revelation 19:7–8). But Scripture does not clearly state that the bridegroom comes secretly seven years before the visible coming in glory. That idea is built by connecting many passages together, but Matthew 24 itself presents a single visible coming after tribulation.

In the end, Jesus’ main message in Matthew 24–25 is not to argue over timelines. It is this: watch, endure, be faithful, and be ready. Some focus strongly on escaping tribulation. Others focus strongly on going through it. But Jesus repeats one command again and again: “Watch therefore” (Matthew 24:42). Be ready for Him.

The heart of the teaching is not fear, and not debate. It is faithfulness.

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"He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God"

You ever read that story?
FACT...Noah was gathered BEFORE THE FLOOD into the ark.
FACT...The ark is a type of heaven.
FACT...the flood came AFTER NOAH IS GATHERED.
FACT...Noah and his family are taken over a mile into the heavens DURING THE FLOOD.
FACT ...Noah returned BACK to earth AFTER THE FLOOD.

Ahem..exact same model as the pretrib rapture.

Postribbs have a really bad starting place.
In that starting place many many facts MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.

You all claim "one coming"
You take that error and build a doctrine.
A doctrine that is BASED on error.

That is why the 2 comings by Jesus in mat 24 must be changed.
You change the bible to protect a fragile doctrine.

 

[Psalm1]

God’s will prevails over your man-made reasons.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

You're only fooling the people that don't belong to God.


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You found a verse?
Wow.
So you think Jesus was in error in the verses I posted?

You can not build a doctrine over one verse when 8 or 10 conflict and make a postrib rapture impossible.

 

[Psalm1]

God’s will prevails over your man-made reasons.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

You're only fooling the people that don't belong to God.


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You found a verse?
Wow.
So you think Jesus was in error in the verses I posted?

You can not build a doctrine over one verse when 8 or 10 conflict and make a postrib rapture impossible.

God’s will prevails over your man-made reasons.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

You're only fooling the people that don't belong to God.


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You talking about the general resurrection? After the mil?
Yes there will be many of his raised up at the last day.

But those disciples standing there were in paradise with the righteous after they died.
Paradise is where Jesus descended and took those righteous to heaven.
That is another study.
But since you equate eschatology with salvation, your entire view is clouded in misunderstanding and so much contempt for any pretribber.

You act like the entire world is being saved by your skewed view.

I have asked you to tone down the hatred several times

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You found a verse?
Wow.
So you think Jesus was in error in the verses I posted?

You can not build a doctrine over one verse when 8 or 10 conflict and make a postrib rapture impossible.

If God says that's His will then that is what is going to happen.

No need to complicate it with charts and huge numbers of twisted bible verses like pre-trib false doctrine.

Jesus also said it's God's will - a double confirmation.

So yeah, it's simple and will happen just as Lord Jesys says it will.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.


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[Psalm1]

In Matthew 24, Jesus gives one continuous teaching. He speaks about deception, trouble, persecution, and then His visible return.

He says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30). The order is simple. Tribulation first. Then His coming in glory.

Then He says, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:31). The angels gather, but it is still His coming. In the Bible, angels often carry out the King’s command. When the Son of Man comes, He sends His angels. That does not mean He is absent. It shows His authority.

The gathering “from one end of heaven to the other” does not prove they were already living in heaven. In Scripture, “heaven” can mean the sky or the visible heavens above the earth. It can simply mean from one end of the earth to the other under heaven. Jesus is describing a complete gathering of His people everywhere.

Now about “as the days of Noah were” (Matthew 24:37–39). Jesus explains what He means. People were eating, drinking, marrying, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away. His point is suddenness and unprepared hearts. He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God.

The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready.

When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.

The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour.

Now concerning the seven years from Daniel 9:27, the “one week” prophecy is often connected to end-time teaching. But in Matthew 24, Jesus does not clearly divide His coming into two different visible returns. He speaks of one coming “after the tribulation.”

In Revelation 19, Christ appears on a white horse with power and glory. That matches the language of Matthew 24:30. It presents one glorious appearing where He comes in victory.

About the bride and bridegroom: Jesus does call Himself the bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). The church is pictured as a bride (Revelation 19:7–8). But Scripture does not clearly state that the bridegroom comes secretly seven years before the visible coming in glory. That idea is built by connecting many passages together, but Matthew 24 itself presents a single visible coming after tribulation.

In the end, Jesus’ main message in Matthew 24–25 is not to argue over timelines. It is this: watch, endure, be faithful, and be ready. Some focus strongly on escaping tribulation. Others focus strongly on going through it. But Jesus repeats one command again and again: “Watch therefore” (Matthew 24:42). Be ready for Him.

The heart of the teaching is not fear, and not debate. It is faithfulness.

QUOTE
""The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready""

Lol.
In over 40 years of study , the ONLY place I have ever heard "secret coming" is by postribbers .

It is in their talking points.

As are many many extra biblical nonsense dynamics.

 

[Psalm1]

If God says that's His will then that is what is going to happen.

No need to complicate it with charts and huge numbers of twisted bible verses like pre-trib false doctrine.

Jesus also said it's God's will - a double confirmation.

So yeah, it's simple and will happen just as Lord Jesys says it will.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.


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Of course He will.

Why would he not?

 

[Psalm1]

In Matthew 24, Jesus gives one continuous teaching. He speaks about deception, trouble, persecution, and then His visible return.

He says, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:29–30). The order is simple. Tribulation first. Then His coming in glory.

Then He says, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:31). The angels gather, but it is still His coming. In the Bible, angels often carry out the King’s command. When the Son of Man comes, He sends His angels. That does not mean He is absent. It shows His authority.

The gathering “from one end of heaven to the other” does not prove they were already living in heaven. In Scripture, “heaven” can mean the sky or the visible heavens above the earth. It can simply mean from one end of the earth to the other under heaven. Jesus is describing a complete gathering of His people everywhere.

Now about “as the days of Noah were” (Matthew 24:37–39). Jesus explains what He means. People were eating, drinking, marrying, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away. His point is suddenness and unprepared hearts. He does not say Noah was removed before trouble. Noah was preserved through it. The flood came, judgment fell, and the righteous were kept safe by God.

The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready.

When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.

The parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 also speaks of readiness. The bridegroom comes once. There is no mention of two separate arrivals years apart. The wise were ready and entered. The foolish were shut out. The lesson is simple: be prepared, for you do not know the day or the hour.

Now concerning the seven years from Daniel 9:27, the “one week” prophecy is often connected to end-time teaching. But in Matthew 24, Jesus does not clearly divide His coming into two different visible returns. He speaks of one coming “after the tribulation.”

In Revelation 19, Christ appears on a white horse with power and glory. That matches the language of Matthew 24:30. It presents one glorious appearing where He comes in victory.

About the bride and bridegroom: Jesus does call Himself the bridegroom (Matthew 9:15). The church is pictured as a bride (Revelation 19:7–8). But Scripture does not clearly state that the bridegroom comes secretly seven years before the visible coming in glory. That idea is built by connecting many passages together, but Matthew 24 itself presents a single visible coming after tribulation.

In the end, Jesus’ main message in Matthew 24–25 is not to argue over timelines. It is this: watch, endure, be faithful, and be ready. Some focus strongly on escaping tribulation. Others focus strongly on going through it. But Jesus repeats one command again and again: “Watch therefore” (Matthew 24:42). Be ready for Him.
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The heart of the teaching is not fear, and not debate. It is faithfulness.

QUOTE
""When Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:40–41), the context must guide us. In the flood story, the ones “taken” were taken by judgment. The ones left were Noah and his family who remained alive. So the pattern suggests separation at the time of judgment, not necessarily a secret event years earlier.""

There is no wicked taken before the flood.

You guys are reaching so hard you're gonna hurt yourselves.

Take a deep breath and reread both stories.
List the facts.
Jettison the grand canyon leaps.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

QUOTE
""The same with Lot. Lot was removed from Sodom before fire fell (Luke 17:28–30). In both examples, the emphasis is not on a secret coming, but on sudden judgment and the need to be ready""

Lol.
In over 40 years of study , the ONLY place I have ever heard "secret coming" is by postribbers .

It is in their talking points.

As are many many extra biblical nonsense dynamics.

That is so curious!

You actually think lying to make post-tribbers look bad will get God’s people on board with your false pre-trib doctrine?

It's only attracting the people that don't belong to Him.

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.


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