I find it rather telling that all the self-proclaimed Sabbath keepers are violating the Sabbath by arguing about it... on (what they say is) the Sabbath.
So you look down on Sunday? The day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. (Matthew 28:1)
In Leviticus 23:5-11, Look at verse 11: "'And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.'" The day after the Sabbath is Sunday. Read on specifically looking at Leviticus 23:15 - "'You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.'" This is the Feast of Pentecost. It was one of the compulsory feasts of Israel.
Note on the day of Pentecost, a Sunday God's people were commanded to worship. God says, "On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations." (Leviticus 23:21).
No distinction is made by God between these holy days and the weekly Sabbath. He also includes them as holy. This would mean that under the old covenant the First Fruits Sunday and the Pentecost Sunday were also holy.
It is fair game to pass judgment on your ideas. If you feel judged personally when your ideas are judged, perhaps you are too invested in them.
I find it rather telling that all the self-proclaimed Sabbath keepers are violating the Sabbath by arguing about it... on (what they say is) the Sabbath.
I thought I was the only one that noticed. My rabbi friend and his wife maintain internet silence on their sabbath.I find it rather telling that all the self-proclaimed Sabbath keepers are violating the Sabbath by arguing about it... on (what they say is) the Sabbath.
What is wrong with us that believe in keeping the Sabbath. This forum is for posting one's thoughts and opinions. I do not see it as arguing and am sorry that you do. There are two sides to every coin but it's still the same coin, meaning we may not agree in a lot of issues, but I think we can all agree its God that matters, and we worship him each of us in our own believes the best we can.
Blessings, Danny
Happy Sabbath
Amen! Their absolute obsession with the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) demonstrates what they are really trusting in for salvation and it's not Jesus Christ alone. The Bible clearly states that we are saved by grace through faith, not works, (Ephesians 2:8,9) but for them it's salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works. Mixing the old and new covenants together remains their Achilles heel.
My accusation is based on the fact that Scripture does not say that Abraham followed the ten commandments.Who are you to judge, you are the one making accusations, as I see it you are breaking Gods Sabbath Commandment.
Not an argument I made.You show me Scripture where God had two sets of Commandments and Laws. That is a ridiculous argument.
I already said that it pointed forward to the rest we find in Christ.So, what do you say about the Sabbath being established at creation when God said He rested on the 7th day, that is the sabbath he is talking about and set it apart and blessed it, sanctified it and hallowed it. Is that not one of the Ten Commandments He was talking about?
I do not need to look anything up to know that the command to observe the Sabbath is not repeated in the NT.Q: why are the Ten Commandments all throughout the NT?
Q: why is the Sabbath mentioned and observed 60 times in the NT?
Go to BibleTools.org and look up the Sabbath
Blessings, danny
Precious friend, you are Very Welcome.Thanks for the scriptures
You got me confused with someone else.. I did not make that statement that I rememberI am happy to respond to your post with scripture, but it wasn't what we were discussing previously.
You made this statement:
2) The True Sabbath Also Resides In me
I have asked for scripture where it says the Sabbath is in us, instead of the commandment God gave. The scripture you previously posted on the Sabbath was about Sabbath-keeping the way God commanded.
There is no scripture that says this, otherwise I am sure you would have posted it.
The Ten Commandments have been with God from Creation and will be with us on the New Earth "... and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship me, saith the Lord." (Isaiah 66:23) Moses did not write the ten Commandments; they were given to him by God. The Ten Commandments are not part of the Law of Moses or any part of the old Mosaic Law. "Do not think that I come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matt 5:17) The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the NT alone and all have to do with the 7th day Sabbath but on which refences an annual Sabbath. God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27). Jesus kept it (Luke 4:16), Paul kept it (Acts 17:2), and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13) Several of the Ten Commandments are mentioned throughout the New Testament. God only set one day apart from the rest and blessed it, sanctified it and blessed it and that would be the 7th day of the week not the first.
It was Grace Ambassador here (<= link to post).You got me confused with someone else.. I did not make that statement that I remember
can you respond to what i said?
The Bible does state that Abraham obeyed God's voice, kept His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, but the specific charge, commandments, statutes, and laws that Abraham kept are not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. It's important to note that the Bible does not provide a comprehensive list of charges, commandments, statutes, and laws that Abraham kept. Therefore, you cannot say with certainty which specific laws Abraham kept so your argument is inconclusive.
So, although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses. You do not hear that Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob kept the Sabbath. It is not until after the God delivered the Israelites out of Egypt when they were safely on the other side of the Red Sea that you read in the Book of Exodus that the Sabbath is mentioned. (Exodus 16:22-30). Abraham was given commandments and ordinances, but the Sabbath is never mentioned as one of them.
Once again, notice in Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
Also, in Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and laws, through Your servant Moses.
Faith in what? Obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on Sabbath keeping) for salvation? You seem to be thoroughly indoctrinated, if that's what you mean by grounded.
This is anachronism at its... silliest."Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." (Genesis 26:5) well let's see, (1) Abraham obeyed his voice, God actually spoke to Abraham. (2) He walked with God, keeping charge stresses that we must assume full responsibility for the lives that God has granted us and live them in a way that honors him. (3) can't be much plainer than this, Abraham obeyed Gods Commandments, that is the Ten Commandments he is referring too.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Jesus and the saints will rule over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon, and they have to go up year after year to worship the LORD, and keep the feast of tabernacles, and keep the physical sabbath to be right with God.
They will be in the flesh, and cannot have salvation for they took the mark of the beast, so they have to keep the physical ordinances to be right with God.
They still have punishment coming but it is postponed until the millennial reign is over.
The saints have a glorified body, and are led of the Spirit so they cannot do wrong being as sinless as Jesus so they are not under the law for they are not breaking the law, and they do not have to keep the physical sabbath, or any physical ordinances for they are spiritual.
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
It is a spiritual sabbath, and the physical sabbath was only given for the Old Testament physical covenant with physical blessings.
Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way for they were contrary to us which they had no bearing on spiritual salvation.
So let no person judge you concerning the physical ordinances including the sabbath days.
Jesus went away to prepare a place for the saints which is away from this earth, so this earth is not going to be renovated but it will be a new earth where sin has never been, and sin will never be.
The saints and angels will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem, and will feel they have always been there, and nowhere else.
The earth has been tainted with sin, and the heaven has been tainted with sin by the fallen angels, so they will be destroyed by fire which all sin is purged with fire.
Which the saints receive the Holy Ghost and with fire.
The Old Testament was to celebrate this earth, but Jesus went away to prepare a place so the saints celebrate that new earth.
Which when a person has the Spirit the kingdom of God is within them, and they are strangers on earth seeking a better home, so they belong to that new earth which is a spiritual sabbath of rest.
My point being, Sunday or Saturday may or may not fall on the real Sabbath day of the week.