the Sabbath

[mailmandan]

Sabbath keeping is not given as a commandment in the NT, no matter how hard you try to insert it.

The Sabbath rest pointed forward to the rest we find in Jesus Christ, who worked
on the Sabbath and said His Father continued to work on the Sabbath also.

Sabbatarians can be so relentless and myopic in their pushing of this day that we had one
telling us we were breaking the law to worship God on any other day. How ridiculous is that?

Amen! Their absolute obsession with the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) demonstrates what they are really trusting in for salvation and it's not Jesus Christ alone. The Bible clearly states that we are saved by grace through faith, not works, (Ephesians 2:8,9) but for them it's salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works. Mixing the old and new covenants together remains their Achilles heel.

 

[mailmandan]

In regard to Colossians 2:16, the words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint.

Paul's reasoning, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

festival - yearly Sabbaths,
a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,
or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbath
Christ, he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.

When this passage is compared with Galatians 4:9 an obvious connection in Paul's teaching is revealed. "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

Verse 10 clearly states, "you observe...",

days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Colossians 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Colossians 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Colossians 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

Obviously, Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly Sabbath.

When God wants to refer to the whole system of Jewish holy days, rather than name them all, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. SDA's argue that the Sabbath day of Colossians 2:16 is the years Sabbaths. But yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Colossians 2:16 as "festivals." The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is well established in the Old Testament, so Colossians 2:16 does refer to the weekly Sabbath.

Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it is the weekly sabbath

1 Chronicles 23:31 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 2:4 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 8:13 - Yearly (annual feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 31:3 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Nehemiah 10:33 - Yearly (appointed times), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbaths)

Isaiah 1:13-14 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbath)

Ezekiel 45:17 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Ezek 46:1-11 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbath)

Hosea 2:11 - Yearly (festal assemblies), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Galatians 4:10 - years, months, days (you observe days and months and seasons and years)

Colossians 2:16 - festival, new moon, Sabbath day

The order of "holyday," "new moon," and "sabbath" is a progression from the abolition of the yearly (holyday), monthly (new moon), and weekly (sabbath) Jewish festivals. Therefore the "sabbath" days does refer to the weekly sabbath. So, the plural form of the word "sabbath" cannot be used to prove a reference to merely special ceremonial sabbaths.

The Greek of Exodus 20:8-10 - the giving of the fourth commandment itself utilizes the plural also found in Colossians 2:16; Leviticus 24:8; Numbers 15:32; Luke 4:16; and Acts 13:14 do as well, but reference is made to the weekly Saturday sabbath.

 

[mailmandan]

When God is referring to The or His Commandments or the Law in the NT, He is referring to the Ten Commandments and His Law. The Old Mosaic Law is done away with and has no bearing in the NT.
Col 2:16? He is talking to the Jews and believers, telling them not to let anyone judge them in keeping those things including holding the true Sabbath Day.
Romans 14:5-6 These verses do not concern any days that must be kept holy. It is referring to those recently converted, not yet having grown strong in the faith, refused to eat meat and subsisted mainly on vegetables. (Is what you said also, I agree)

I really liked your post
Blessings, Danny

In regard to Colossians 2:16, the words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint.

Paul's reasoning, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

festival - yearly Sabbaths,
a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,
or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbath
Christ, he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.

When this passage is compared with Galatians 4:9 an obvious connection in Paul's teaching is revealed. "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

Verse 10 clearly states, "you observe...",

days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Colossians 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Colossians 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Colossians 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

Obviously, Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly Sabbath.

When God wants to refer to the whole system of Jewish holy days, rather than name them all, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. SDA's argue that the Sabbath day of Colossians 2:16 is the years Sabbaths. But yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Colossians 2:16 as "festivals." The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is well established in the Old Testament, so Colossians 2:16 does refer to the weekly Sabbath.

Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it is the weekly sabbath

1 Chronicles 23:31 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 2:4 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 8:13 - Yearly (annual feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 31:3 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Nehemiah 10:33 - Yearly (appointed times), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbaths)

Isaiah 1:13-14 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbath)

Ezekiel 45:17 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Ezek 46:1-11 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbath)

Hosea 2:11 - Yearly (festal assemblies), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Galatians 4:10 - years, months, days (you observe days and months and seasons and years)

Colossians 2:16 - festival, new moon, Sabbath day

The order of "holyday," "new moon," and "sabbath" is a progression from the abolition of the yearly (holyday), monthly (new moon), and weekly (sabbath) Jewish festivals. Therefore the "sabbath" days does refer to the weekly sabbath. So, the plural form of the word "sabbath" cannot be used to prove a reference to merely special ceremonial sabbaths.

The Greek of Exodus 20:8-10 - the giving of the fourth commandment itself utilizes the plural also found in Colossians 2:16; Leviticus 24:8; Numbers 15:32; Luke 4:16; and Acts 13:14 do as well, but reference is made to the weekly Saturday sabbath.

 

[mailmandan]

Show me one verse where Jesus went into a synagogue on any other day and preached the gospel.

Why don't you explain to me what YOU believe the gospel IS and also what YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel. (Romans 1:16)

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Our salvation is from the penalty of breaking the law, which is sin and carries a death sentence. 1 John 3:3 Romans 7:7 Romans 6:23

We are no longer under the penalty of the law (death) if one is keeping God's law. It's like speeding, if we are not speeding, we are not under the penalty of the law if one is keeping. God's law is no different. If we do slip and fall, Jesus who took the penalty for our sins, we can go to Him to confess and repent and when He heals He said - Go and sin no more.

Grace is not a license to sin (Break God's law) Paul makes this abundantly clear

Q. Romans 6 :1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

A. 2 Certainly not!

Do you honestly think a person who has truly repented and come to Christ. And saved from his sins is going to want to sin?

When people call grace a license to sin, they are normally legalistic in nature. And I must wonder why they think the Way they do. John said whoever lives in sin has never seen God. Whoever is born of God can not live in sin,.

Thi thread is about the sabbath. The sabbath was a day of rest. on 6 days you work. On the seventh you do not.. Most people who claim to follow the sabbath do not follow it themselves. they have made it a ritual like the jews did. And take it out of Context

the fact is. Paul said do not judge people concerning the sabbath,

col 2: 16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a [j]festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the [k]substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has [l]not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 [m]Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as thoughliving in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and [n]neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


and again in romans 14: One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; [a]and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died [b]and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of [c]Christ. 11 For it is written:

so why do people judge others about a day?

I am busy all week. I meet with my home church or mens group 2 nights a week. On sunday, I am with my church body and church family most of the day. So there are times I must mow the grass on Saturday. I must wash my car, or do things I could not get done.. I try not to do anything on Saturday. But i do not think God is going to judge me because I did a few things on saterday because the rest of my week was busy serving God or my church family or my home family

 

[Sipsey]

It’s ironic that many law-lovers are some of the most lawless people.

Ironic is a wonderful word.

It reminds me of the story an old friend told me:
He said a Pastor was speaking on “sinless perfection,” and asked his congregation did anyone there live a sinless life. A man in the back was the only one to stand. The Pastor waited a few moments and asked, sir, you mean to tell me you are perfect according to Scripture and live a sinless life?

Oh no, Pastor, I’m standing for my wife’s deceased husband. She reminds me daily that there was never a more perfect man than him.

For those pushing this sort of thing, I often ask, “Are you married/ have any children? May I speak with them to verify this?

 

[mailmandan]

I do believe that I will be with Jesus when he reigns on the New Earth. I believe I am saved by grace not by works, lest any man should boast.
Now what does that have to do with the two subjects that I refer to (1) The Sabbath -v- Sunday (2) Jesus's resurrection?

Blessings, Danny

Saved by grace and not by works? What happened to faith? (Ephesians 2:8,9) Well anyway, you say that out of one side of your mouth, then out of the other side of your mouth go on and on about obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment). It's obvious what you have placed your faith in for salvation and it clearly includes the work of obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment). It's just about the only thing you talk about.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Ironic is a wonderful word.

It reminds me of the story an old friend told me:
He said a Pastor was speaking on “sinless perfection,” and asked his congregation did anyone there live a sinless life. A man in the back was the only one to stand. The Pastor waited a few moments and asked, sir, you mean to tell me you are perfect according to Scripture and live a sinless life?

Oh no, Pastor, I’m standing for my wife’s deceased husband. She reminds me daily that there was never a more perfect man than him.

For those pushing this sort of thing, I often ask, “Are you married/ have any children? May I speak with them to verify this?

Let he who has no sin cast the first stone

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Do you honestly think a person who has truly repented and come to Christ. And saved from his sins is going to want to sin?

When people call grace a license to sin, they are normally legalistic in nature. And I must wonder why they think the Way they do. John said whoever lives in sin has never seen God. Whoever is born of God can not live in sin,.

Thi thread is about the sabbath. The sabbath was a day of rest. on 6 days you work. On the seventh you do not.. Most people who claim to follow the sabbath do not follow it themselves. they have made it a ritual like the jews did. And take it out of Context

the fact is. Paul said do not judge people concerning the sabbath,

col 2: 16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a [j]festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the [k]substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has [l]not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 [m]Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as thoughliving in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and [n]neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


and again in romans 14: One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; [a]and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died [b]and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of [c]Christ. 11 For it is written:

so why do people judge others about a day?

I am busy all week. I meet with my home church or mens group 2 nights a week. On sunday, I am with my church body and church family most of the day. So there are times I must mow the grass on Saturday. I must wash my car, or do things I could not get done.. I try not to do anything on Saturday. But i do not think God is going to judge me because I did a few things on saterday because the rest of my week was busy serving God or my church family or my home family

I am happy to respond to your post with scripture, but it wasn't what we were discussing previously.

You made this statement:

2) The True Sabbath Also Resides In me

I have asked for scripture where it says the Sabbath is in us, instead of the commandment God gave. The scripture you previously posted on the Sabbath was about Sabbath-keeping the way God commanded.

There is no scripture that says this, otherwise I am sure you would have posted it.

 

[Sipsey]

Let he who has no sin cast the first stone

I prefer Nerf guns, them rocks hurt.

 

[mailmandan]

"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." (Genesis 26:5) well let's see, (1) Abraham obeyed his voice, God actually spoke to Abraham. (2) He walked with God, Keeping charge stresses that we must assume full responsibility for the lives that God has granted us and live them in a way that honors him. (3) can't be much plainer than this, Abraham obeyed Gods Commandments, that is the Ten Commandments he is referring too. (4) My statutes are referring to Gods written law, on your hearts and minds. (5) Gods Laws - When we obey God’s instructions, we are keeping the commandments and we will be saved. Religiously, a law is any instruction from God — that is, a law is a commandment or a set of commandments, as in the Ten Commandments.

Blessings, Danny

The Bible does state that Abraham obeyed God's voice, kept His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, but the specific charge, commandments, statutes, and laws that Abraham kept are not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. It's important to note that the Bible does not provide a comprehensive list of charges, commandments, statutes, and laws that Abraham kept. Therefore, you cannot say with certainty which specific laws Abraham kept so your argument is inconclusive.

So, although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses. You do not hear that Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob kept the Sabbath. It is not until after the God delivered the Israelites out of Egypt when they were safely on the other side of the Red Sea that you read in the Book of Exodus that the Sabbath is mentioned. (Exodus 16:22-30). Abraham was given commandments and ordinances, but the Sabbath is never mentioned as one of them.

Once again, notice in Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Also, in Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and laws, through Your servant Moses.

I am very grounded in my faith...

Faith in what? Obeying the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on Sabbath keeping) for salvation? You seem to be thoroughly indoctrinated, if that's what you mean by grounded.

 

[mailmandan]

The 7th day of the week. You know the one that God established over the one that man calls Sunday

So you look down on Sunday? The day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. (Matthew 28:1)

In Leviticus 23:5-11, Look at verse 11: "'And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.'" The day after the Sabbath is Sunday. Read on specifically looking at Leviticus 23:15 - "'You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.'" This is the Feast of Pentecost. It was one of the compulsory feasts of Israel.

Note on the day of Pentecost, a Sunday God's people were commanded to worship. God says, "On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations." (Leviticus 23:21).

No distinction is made by God between these holy days and the weekly Sabbath. He also includes them as holy. This would mean that under the old covenant the First Fruits Sunday and the Pentecost Sunday were also holy.

 

[TMS]

Jesus fulfilled the law.

Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Yes Jesus did fulfil the law perfectly.
Not to make it void. But to be our example.
Mat 5:17-18
context shows that the law is still unchanged. Not all has been fulfilled and heaven and earth has not passed, so one jot or tittle has not passed from the law.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Fulfil does not mean make void.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Please show me how the life of Jesus made the moral law void.

 

[TMS]

God made it clear at the beginning of Genius
Gen 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The seventh day is Saturday.
It was blessed and sanctified.
God said remember it many years latter.
God has never changed the day or said to not keep it.

But so many are telling me to forget it.
God has not said to forget it.
The Bible tells me to obey the commandments of God.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God made it clear at the beginning of Genius
Gen 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The seventh day is Saturday.
It was blessed and sanctified.
God said remember it many years latter.
God has never changed the day or said to not keep it.

But so many are telling me to forget it.
God has not said to forget it.
The Bible tells me to obey the commandments of God.

I say we listen to the apostles

Acts 5:29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.

Happy Sabbath!

 

[TMS]

When did we have the right to take the law that God wrote (the perfect law of love) and start picking and choosing which commandments are valid and which are not valid. ??

 

[TMS]

I say we listen to the apostles

Acts 5:29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.

Happy Sabbath!

Amen
Thanks, happy Sabbath to you.

 

[dlj57]

When did we have the right to take the law that God wrote (the perfect law of love) and start picking and choosing which commandments are valid and which are not valid. ??

Amen
Blessings, Danny
Happy Sabbath

 

[dlj57]

Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Yes Jesus did fulfil the law perfectly.
Not to make it void. But to be our example.
Mat 5:17-18
context shows that the law is still unchanged. Not all has been fulfilled and heaven and earth has not passed, so one jot or tittle has not passed from the law.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Fulfil does not mean make void.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Please show me how the life of Jesus made the moral law void.

Amen
If the Law was no longer in effect the Ten Commandments would not have been repeated so many times in the NT.
The Sabbath would not have been mentioned and observed 60 times in the NT

Blessings, Danny
Happy Sabbath

 

[Dino246]

It's also ironic that a lot of non-Law-abiding Christians want to pass judgement on the ones that want to keep Gods Commandments.

It is fair game to pass judgment on your ideas. If you feel judged personally when your ideas are judged, perhaps you are too invested in them.