The Rapture

[Endoscopy]

Notice the word signified is replaced with communicated in modern English.

 

[garee]

KJV has the problem of the English language changing since 1611. Here is the verse in modern English.

Revelation 1 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

1 [This is] the revelation of Jesus Christ [His unveiling of the divine mysteries]. God gave it to Him to disclose and make known to His bond servants certain things which must shortly and speedily come to pass in their entirety. And He sent and communicated it through His angel (messenger) to His bond servant John,

I think its another way of saying the language is signified using metaphors in parables . Wthout parrables Christ the Word of God spoke not giving us his signified understanding hid from the lost.

Christ is speaking from the vantage point of the last day the second resurrection as well as judgment day for the unbeliever (the twinkling of the eye).. looking back from then .

[h=1]Revelation 1Young's Literal Translation (YLT)[/h]1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John,

 

[Roadkill]

Which sign? The woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and a crown or the red dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns?

Have you been drinking some sort of kool-aid?

The woman clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet.

 

[heartofdavid]

Being given the power to make war and conquer the saints, does not mean that he is completely successful, as there will be Gentiles who resist the beast, his image and his mark but will still survive until Christ returns.

The above is not supporting your position! Not too mention that scripture states that not everyone receives the mark. Anyone who receives the mark and survives through God's wrath until Christ comes, they will be gathered by the angels and killed by that double-edged sword. Therefore, there still would be no Gentiles to go into the millennial period. As I said, not everyone receives the mark and still survives until Christ returns at the end of the age.

The judgment of the sheep and the goats take place when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. Who do you think they are? Those sheep who make it through will have not worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. So there you have another example of Gentiles entering into the millennial period.

Show scripture to support not everyone takes the mark.

And no,the sheep/goat judgement is the GWT Judgement after the 1k.

Also post scripture where those with the mark are gathered at the second coming

 

[heartofdavid]

Greetings JoshMal,



The scripture above has been misunderstood my many. If you will look at the context of the scripture, the "one taken" group is being compared to the wicked who were "taken" in the flood. Therefore, the comparison is wicked to wicked.

The "one taken, one left" is also related to the parable of the weeds and the wheat. In that parable the harvesters, who are symbolic for the angels, go throughout the earth and first gather the weeds. These represent the "one taken." When Jesus returns to the earth to end the age the angels He will send his angels out and they will gather the weeds, which will be all those who sin and do evil and they will bring them back to where Armageddon will be taking place, where they will be killed by that double-edged sword that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord, which is figurative representing the word of God.

In further support of this, in Luke's version, when the Lord says "one will be taken, and one will be left" the disciples ask him, "where Lord?" That is, where are they going to be taken? Then Jesus says "wherever the dead body is, there will the vultures gather." His response is in reference to Rev.19:17 where that angel will be calling to all the birds/vultures of the air to come gather themselves to the great supper of God to eat the flesh of kings, generals, their armies and all people great and small.



There will indeed be more than one gathering. The church is next and will be gathered prior to the first seal being opened, which is what initiates God's wrath. The male child/144,000 will also be caught up to God's throne out of the dragon's/Satan's reach. Below is a list of the resurrections and those changed and caught up:

* Jesus the first fruits of the first resurrection

* The church at the Lord's appearing

* The male child/144,000 who will be changed and caught up

* The two witnesses will be resurrected

* The great tribulation saints (Rev.20:4-6)



[/COLOR]Just as the rich man of Lazarus fame could not come back from Hades nor could anyone go from there to warn his brothers, neither does anyone else who goes to Sheol/Hades have a second chance to come back. God's grace, mercy and salvation is available while a person is alive. But once a person dies without receiving Christ, their record is sealed where they will be held accountable for every idle word they ever spoke. You've heard of that saying where the judge throws the book at someone, well that is exactly what is going to happen at the great white throne judgment.

For those in Christ He was held accountable for every believers sins. But for those who reject Him and die in that state, they will be held accountable for every sin, every evil thought and action, the result being the lake of fire.

No,in the flood there was not " one taken,one left"
The one taken is the rapture.

There is no place,no place,but the rapture where one is taken,one left behind.

 

[heartofdavid]

The ones who are not Christians in reality.

The nominal carnal Christian is left behind.
See corinthians.
They were carnal,yet still christians.

The bible says " some are saved as throug fire. Saved,but their works are burned up"

This is WHY Jesus said " ...but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things that will come upon the earth"

 

[garee]

The Jews come in last.
The bride is mainly gentile.
( you saved the best for last)

God who is not served by human hands is no respecter of persons. The chaste virgin bride the church is made up of all the nations of the world to include the Jewish nation as that seen the temporal used to signify the eternal not seen bride . That shadow will become sight on the last day having received our new incorruptible bodies which will be neither nor female.

She is pictured in Revelation 12 clothed with the righteousness of her husband with the temporal time keepers Sun and moon under her or behind. Its the end of time the last day. The glory of our husband Christ will be the light there will be no darkness .

Note.... (purple in parenthesis) my personal comments

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (the chaste virgin bride the church) clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,(its the end of time) and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Rev 12:1

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride (the church) adorned for her husband.(Christ) Rev 21:1

And the city (as the bride of Christ) had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.And the nations (to include the Jewish nation) of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.Rev 21:23-24

 

[abcdef]

The foolish virgins had no oil.
But went out to meet him.

Oil,or the lack thereof prohibited their gathering.

Nominal dry beleivers stay behind

Brother heartod,

Matt 25:9-12, They did not go out to meet him, they went to buy oil and then returned when the door was shut.

 

[abcdef]

It fits Rome to me, as I believe that the second beast as being the false prophet, will be one of the future pope's. There are currently over 1.2 billion Roman Catholics. Think about how that number would increase if the pope of that time were to perform those miracles, signs and wonders, even causing fire to come down out of heaven, which he will perform to give credibility to the first beast/antichrist, who will be claiming to be God. The faithful Roman Catholic would become even more faithful and everyone who was so, so, would be come devout. The rest of the false Christian sects (Mornon, JW, etc.) would all be drawn into that last day religious system and come under the authority of the pope and Roman Catholicism.

Since the pope would be performing everything on behalf of the antichrist/beast, then the beast through the false prophet would have that entire religious system in his hip pocket. The false prophet is also the one who will be causing all to receive that mark.

The office of the pope as the second beast/false prophet, fits perfectly in my estimation.

Brother,

Don't you see? He has been here all these years. He is not future. He is the Roman beast right now.

It's not the planet, it's the world of Israel

 

[abcdef]

The nominal carnal Christian is left behind.
See corinthians.
They were carnal,yet still christians.

The bible says " some are saved as throug fire. Saved,but their works are burned up"

This is WHY Jesus said " ...but pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things that will come upon the earth"

Brother heartod,

You are not quoting scripture correctly.

No where does the Bible use the words as you have in quotation marks.

If you are going to quote, do it right.

Thanks

 

[heartofdavid]

Brother heartod,

Matt 25:9-12, They did not go out to meet him, they went to buy oil and then returned when the door was shut.

If you re read that it says all 10 went to meet him, but when he tarried they all slept.

So yes the foolish were out there with the wise.

Thats the point,even their actions were indistingueshable from the wise

 

[MarcR]

I would be interested in your thoughts but...

There seem to be a core group of prophecy students here who think they have it all worked out and are only interested in presenting their lecture with endless corrections of those of us who colour outside the margins. It's not proper discussion and study. And it's disappointing because prophecy is the most exciting aspect of scripture.

If someone starts another thread it will likely end up the same.

I agree with you; but there is still no reason why the few of us who are still ready to learn can't still really discuss it

 

[abcdef]

If you re read that it says all 10 went to meet him, but when he tarried they all slept.

So yes the foolish were out there with the wise.

Yes you are right on that.

Thats the point,even their actions were indistingueshable from the wise

No, that's where they were different, in their actions. Both before they went out to meet him (bringing no extra oil), during the call, and running to buy oil.

But see how the door is shut? There is no second chance.

 

[Roadkill]

I was trying to make the point that assertions about end times have been made for a long time. I have seen most of them be false. It therefore means that we need to be cautious about asserting things about the end times as fact. Avoid saying something as fact. Preface it with possibly, I think, etc. That is what I was trying to TEACH you.

Things you need to ask yourself when people make these predictions.
What do they have to gain?
Are they trying to start a cult?
Are they trying to become widely known?
Does what they say contradict the Bible?
Has anything they have reported in the past not come true?
Does it has a purpose for the Church or in service of God?

Just because it's not in the Bible doesn't mean it is not true.
Jesus spoke of many things that were not in the Old Testament. He spoke of things unknown to mankind at that time.


What I have shared with you I do anonymously.

I have nothing to gain.

I am happily a Southern Baptist and have no desire to start a different sect of Christianity.

It does nothing for me personally because I will not live to see it on this side of death.

None of what I have relayed to you contradicts the Bible in anyway. It is something NEW that compliments Revelations.

I am not a prophet. The prediction of the Temple mount having the ground broken in May 0f 2018 will be the Angel's Litmus Test, not mine. It is not my vision or prophecy. It was verbally told to me from a Cherub Angel. Wait and See.

The purpose is for the future Church when this occurs. I was always told the Rapture would all happen in One day. This is new to me and if I had never heard of it before and living in the time to come when this is to happen I would freak out after not Transfiguring with the dead on day one.

The Bible is 100 percent true. It's just not complete. We have enough to test our Faith and no more until God deems it necessary at future times to give out more information to the Church.

As far as drinking Kool-Aid, I tried to tell the person about the September 22, 2017 prediction that this was not going to happen then and to retract it. He declined. But some times God puts the Truth out in plain sight when people have given up looking for it.

Mathew chapter 7 verse 8. Search it out for yourself.

When you throw a rock into a pen a Legalist is gonna yell! Lol

 

[garee]

No,in the flood there was not " one taken,one left"
The one taken is the rapture.

There is no place,no place,but the rapture where one is taken,one left behind.

That taken is not in respect to any spirit life that is left behind in those earthen bodies of death but new spirit life as a new creation that will rise on the last day, the same day of judgment when the earth and its rudiments will go up in smoke in the twinkling of the eye. The former things to include the first creation will never come to mind forever more. . .

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


In the twinkling of the eye

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[PlainWord]

This is how I have read it in a rough outline.

Sea beast = The Empire
Earth beast = The Man
(both may display a counterfeit resurrection by Satanic power. The fatal head wound that appears to be healed.)

Harlot = The religion that rides the empire [sea beast]

The man beast (satanic) destroys the harlot because he hates her and takes control of her territory. Thus having control of a new and vast empire (kingdom) that is made up of the others that went before.

Try this on for size. Time frame is 1st century:

Sea Beast = Rome
Earth Beast = Apostate Israel
Harlot = Jerusalem living in adulterous affair with Rome

 

[PlainWord]

Nobody got left behind...

True, but many apostate Jews were not invited to the party.

 

[Locutus]

True, but many apostate Jews were not invited to the party.

They were the right behinds...

 

[heartofdavid]

Brother heartod,

You are not quoting scripture correctly.

No where does the Bible use the words as you have in quotation marks.

If you are going to quote, do it right.

Thanks

If you see what i am responding to,it might bring it into perspective.

Otherwise,it is like you are saying there is no such thing as a carnal christian.

 

[heartofdavid]

That taken is not in respect to any spirit life that is left behind in those earthen bodies of death but new spirit life as a new creation that will rise on the last day, the same day of judgment when the earth and its rudiments will go up in smoke in the twinkling of the eye. The former things to include the first creation will never come to mind forever more. . .

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


In the twinkling of the eye

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

No,there are no "half left behind" in the second resurrection.