The Rapture

[Bladerunner]

I'll ask God if he is offended then

Do you really think God is a JOKE , Do you really not care about your soul?

 

[Bladerunner]

But the question is, does ALL ISRAEL refer to physical Israel or spiritual Israel. Rom 9.6 began the discussion by pointing out that they were not all Israel who were of Israel.

what do you mean spiritual Israel?///Are they still not physical?????/ They are the only nation that has been disbursed throughout the world and has come back to their home land given to them by GOD!. I don't really count them as spiritual especially when they can shoot a gun made by man.

 

[Bladerunner]

The rapture is the end of the world. As for the Jew his future where he has one is as a part of the true church.

You really like to call GOD a liar don't you

 

[Locutus]

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[Bladerunner]

Many think Nero was the Man of Sin and Paul certainly knew him. But, nobody can place Nero in the temple. Only Titus can be placed in the temple. To me that's the biggest clue solved. Notice the Man of Sin doesn't say anything, he stands in the temple and is worshiped and shows himself to be God. This was recorded by Josephus.

As for Paul, he wrote this in 51-52 AD and in 2 Thes 1 Paul discusses the future wrath and vengeance which Luke also heard Christ speak of in Lk 21.

Show me where Josephus speaks of titus as the antichrist or where he stands in the temple and declares himself GOD..........

 

[heartofdavid]

The rapture is the end of the world. As for the Jew his future where he has one is as a part of the true church.

No,it is the gathering of the gentile bride.

There is another rapture in rev 14.

Both before any end of the world

 

[VCO]

Locutus
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[heartofdavid]

what do you mean spiritual Israel?///Are they still not physical?????/ They are the only nation that has been disbursed throughout the world and has come back to their home land given to them by GOD!. I don't really count them as spiritual especially when they can shoot a gun made by man.

To the historicist,when road blocks are reached,they spiritualize them away. (literally make stuff up)

But actually,their doctrine prohibits Israel as a nation and people from being real. Their doctrine declares them as fake,therefore,in their minds,they are fake.

It's called "painting oneself into a "spiritual" corner." Or more appropriately,not thinking through before taking a position.

 

[heartofdavid]

Locutus
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I encourage all others to do the same with these two also, until they act like Mature Christians.

I did the same. Their doctrine is too far out for me.

I got a bunch like them on ignore. I have no idea what in the world they are doing here.

 

[Locutus]

bahwaha - I'm being ignored...

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[VCO]

Show me where Josephus speaks of titus as the antichrist or where he stands in the temple and declares himself GOD..........

Even if Josephus did, what difference does that make, JOSEPHUS WAS A STRICT JEWISH HISTORIAN, WHO DID NOT LIKE CHRISTIANS.

I TRUST PAUL's OPINION OF TITUS:


2 Corinthians 2:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I had no rest in my spirit because I did not find my brother Titus, but I said good-bye to them and left for Macedonia.

2 Corinthians 7:6 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But God, who comforts the downcast, comforted us by the coming of Titus,

2 Corinthians 7:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For this reason we have been comforted. In addition to our comfort, we rejoiced even more over the joy Titus had, because his spirit was refreshed by all of you.


2 Corinthians 7:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I have made any boast to him about you, I have not been embarrassed; but as I have spoken everything to you in truth, so our boasting to Titus has also turned out to be the truth.

2 Corinthians 8:23 (CSBBible)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] As for Titus, he is my partner and coworker for you; as for our brothers, they are the messengers of the churches, the glory of Christ.


Titus 1:4 (CSBBible)
[SUP]4[/SUP] To Titus, my true son in our common faith.
Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

 

[iamsoandso]

bahwaha - I'm being ignored...

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lol,not at all,still waiting for a reasonable explanation of anyone between ad66-and ad70 who actually has the mark...

 

[VCO]

I did the same. Their doctrine is too far out for me.

I got a bunch like them on ignore. I have no idea what in the world they are doing here.

GOD knew they would be Here in the LAST DAYS, that is why He warned us about the FALSE PROPHETS and SCOFFERS.

 

[VCO]

what do you mean spiritual Israel?///Are they still not physical?????/ They are the only nation that has been disbursed throughout the world and has come back to their home land given to them by GOD!. I don't really count them as spiritual especially when they can shoot a gun made by man.

They covet the TITLE spiritual Israel. Apparently it is a COMMON Misinterpretation in England. Some of the hyper Pentecostals do the same here.

 

[VCO]

could this mean da rapture might happen during or around tha time of rosh hashanah? this is an interesting thing. notice how Jesus fulfills all da jewish feasts, trumpets passover atonement all of it.

That may be because look at this quote from a MESSIANIC JEWISH site:

– In these one hundred blasts, the first of three categories are combined back and forth until there is a total of 99 sounds. Then comes the 100[SUP]th[/SUP], the Tekiah Gedolah, a very long-sustained note – as long as the trumpeter had breath to hold it, and this is known as “the last trump.” That will become very significant when the Messianic Implications of this particular festival are discussed.


Summary:


Notice the sequence of events that are fulfilled in the ministry of Yeshua when He came at the First Coming [spring feasts] and what we will see as the fall feasts that fulfill His Second Coming. Look at the sequence and progression of events:

1. The Feast of Passover was fulfilled by the death of the Messiah.
2. The Feast of Unleavened Bread was fulfilled by the righteous character and sinlessness of His blood-offering upon His death.
3. The Feast of First-Fruits was fulfilled by the Resurrection of the Messiah.
4. The Feast of Weeks was fulfilled by the birthday of the Church.

Following the first cycle of feasts [spring feasts] came a four month interval separating the first cycle of feasts from the second cycle of feasts. This four month interval is fulfilled by the Church Age. God’s program for the Church interrupts His program for Israel as revealed in the program of the festivals.
All of the Spring Feasts occurred in a little over 50 days and now the Fall Feasts will occur within a two-week period to fulfill His program for Israel in the Second Coming pictured in the Fall Feasts.

5. The Feast of Trumpets will be fulfilled by the Rapture of the Church.
6. The Day of Atonement will be fulfilled by the Great Tribulation with Israel’s national salvation at the end of that period.
7. The Feast of Tabernacles will be fulfilled by the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom.



Rosh HaShanah – The Feast of Trumpets |Promises to Israel

 

[Locutus]

lol,not at all,still waiting for a reasonable explanation of anyone between ad66-and ad70 who actually has the mark...

I know you aren't ignoring me sosandso.

Like I've said earlier we have no written records of that time from Christians - they'd skedaddled.

I can't explain how Christ's resurrection worked either, I just accept it on faith. There are many things in the bible we won't figure out this side of the grave.

I do appreciate that you and others including myself would like to solve these mysteries.

That said, John bracketed the "mark" and the no man was able to "buy or sell" front and back with these statements so I don't see the justification for positing in the future:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
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Rev 22:16 And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true”; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place.

So rather than me trying to explain the mark and the buy sell, why don't you explain to me why I should not believe what John said in the above verses and all in between did not come to pass soon after he received and wrote the revelation?

 

[VCO]

THOSE FOUR TYPES OF SHOFAR TRUMPET BLASTS SOUND LIKE THIS:


[video=youtube;AYAQi2K-s2k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYAQi2K-s2k[/video]

 

[iamsoandso]

I know you aren't ignoring me sosandso.

Like I've said earlier we have no written records of that time from Christians - they'd skedaddled.

I can't explain how Christ's resurrection worked either, I just accept it on faith. There are many things in the bible we won't figure out this side of the grave.

I do appreciate that you and others including myself would like to solve these mysteries.

That said, John bracketed the "mark" and the no man was able to "buy or sell" front and back with these statements so I don't see the justification for positing in the future:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
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Rev 22:16 And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true”; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place.

So rather than me trying to explain the mark and the buy sell, why don't you explain to me why I should not believe what John said in the above verses and all in between did not come to pass soon after he received and wrote the revelation?

following the same wisdom in Joel 1:15 "the day is at hand!" ,,,how many years later did it take place or has it?

 

[Locutus]

following the same wisdom in Joel 1:15 "the day is at hand!" ,,,how many years later did it take place or has it?

I believe that was do with the Chaldean's, so it is passed, and I expect when a prophet states it will be soon or at hand I don't expect a delay of hundreds of years otherwise that prophet would be a false one.

Contrary to what our dispen-sensational "friends" believe God can tell time and communicate that succinctly to man.

So the question is back to you on John's statements.

 

[iamsoandso]

I believe that was do with the Chaldean's, so it is passed, and I expect when a prophet states it will be soon or at hand I don't expect a delay of hundreds of years otherwise that prophet would be a false one.

Contrary to what our dispen-sensational "friends" believe God can tell time and communicate that succinctly to man.

So the question is back to you on John's statements.

Oh,so then in Acts 2:16 Peter is the one who is confused?