THE RAPTURE

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If the beast appears and calls himself Jesus Christ doesn't professing your faith in Jesus Christ take the name of the beast upon yourself? That is the worst case scenario, and if he plans to deceive the whole world then it is exactly what he will do. How does our faith in Jesus Christ protect us in this case? Where in the Bible does it state the limitations that the beast or antichrist will have? I imagine a fallen angel would have many supernatural powers.
 
Not even close. This prophecy is to and about Israel. You confuse the elect among the nations who is Israel with the elect in Christ who is the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger, you are simply following what your preachers tell you to think...

Christ's Olivet Discourse is for the whole... Christian Church, of which is made up of many... of the seed of Israel, both lost ten tribes, and converts from the house of Judah (Jews).

John Darby's 1830's Pre-trib rapture doctrine along with his Dispensationalist theories try to separate Christ's Church into two independent parts, one for Gentiles and another for Israel, and that is completely... un-Biblical!

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Christ's Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, are parallels to our Lord's Book of Revelation. And to whom... did Jesus send His Revelation through Apostle John to??? To the 7 Churches in Asia Minor! The direct parallel is with Revelation Chapter 6 about the Seals.
 
When Jesus Christ gave the Good news, the Gospel of Salvation, the message was the same for all who are to be saved. It is the same Gospel that was given to Abraham long before the law.

When Jesus speaks of Israel and Jews, He speaks to all who believe Him.

Anyne teaching that His Good News is different for some people is simply absurd, perhaps just ignorant.

I hope people are not surprised when we are in God's Israel, with the New Jerusalem that there are people who walked the earth as blood lineaged Jews. I pray their eyes e opened long before they see this to save some loss of treasure.

God bless all in Jesus Christ and who hear Him........amen.
 
Roger, you are simply following what your preachers tell you to think...

Christ's Olivet Discourse is for the whole... Christian Church, of which is made up of many... of the seed of Israel, both lost ten tribes, and converts from the house of Judah (Jews).

John Darby's 1830's Pre-trib rapture doctrine along with his Dispensationalist theories try to separate Christ's Church into two independent parts, one for Gentiles and another for Israel, and that is completely... un-Biblical!

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Christ's Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, are parallels to our Lord's Book of Revelation. And to whom... did Jesus send His Revelation through Apostle John to??? To the 7 Churches in Asia Minor! The direct parallel is with Revelation Chapter 6 about the Seals.
Both dispensation and pretrib rapture are solid no brainer biblical truths.

You can not unseat truth with some magic date you literally made up in your head.
 
Roger, you are simply following what your preachers tell you to think...

Christ's Olivet Discourse is for the whole... Christian Church, of which is made up of many... of the seed of Israel, both lost ten tribes, and converts from the house of Judah (Jews).

John Darby's 1830's Pre-trib rapture doctrine along with his Dispensationalist theories try to separate Christ's Church into two independent parts, one for Gentiles and another for Israel, and that is completely... un-Biblical!

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Christ's Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, are parallels to our Lord's Book of Revelation. And to whom... did Jesus send His Revelation through Apostle John to??? To the 7 Churches in Asia Minor! The direct parallel is with Revelation Chapter 6 about the Seals.
There is no question that the Olivet discourse was given to Israel by the Lord Jesus Christ. Does it have application to the church? Yes but it was given as prophecy to Israel for it is Israel that the Lord came to testify before.

Dispensationalist teaching does not split the church as you suggest but delineates the differences between how God dealt with Israel and now the church. Salvation has always been about grace but whereas Israel looked for a coming Messiah the church now looks back on a risen Savior.

You are in error if you replace Israel with the church. The church is receiving the blessing promised to Israel but Israel is still to be blessed and receive the fulfillment of the prophecies. This is part of the reason you cannot distinguish that the tribulation is an event aimed at Israel who long has been apostate toward Jehovah God. The church is not in rebellion against her Christ so she will not see judgment like Israel will receive.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
There is no question that the Olivet discourse was given to Israel by the Lord Jesus Christ. Does it have application to the church? Yes but it was given as prophecy to Israel for it is Israel that the Lord came to testify before.

When Jesus arrived and chose His Apostles, that began the foundation of His Church, and that is what Apostle Paul showed here...

Eph 2:18-22
8 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV



The foundation of Christ's Church, Paul shows there are the Apostles, OT prophets, and our Lord Jesus as The Chief Cornerstone.

Upon the Mount of Olives Jesus was speaking to the FOUNDATION of the Christian Church, NOT... to unbelieving Israel, and NOT... to the leaders of Israel. Believers that will be in the state of Israel for the end of days are just as much part of the Christian Church as a Christian Church in a small backwoods town in the U.S. state of Nebraska.

And like I said, Christ's Olivet Discourse is a direct parallel to the events given in Revelation Chapter 6 about the Seals. That is easily proven.

Dispensationalist teaching does not split the church as you suggest but delineates the differences between how God dealt with Israel and now the church. Salvation has always been about grace but whereas Israel looked for a coming Messiah the church now looks back on a risen Savior.

Yes it does try to split Christ's Church. It does that by trying to claim Israel even in Christ's future 1,000 years reign as a separate entity from Christ's Church. In reality per God's Word, His Church is His Israel in that future time, and one is either a part of it with Jesus as their King, or they are cut off from it and will have their place with the wicked. Those in Christ Jesus who overcome, of BOTH the seed of Israel and Gentiles, will reign with Jesus over all peoples and nations, including the kingdom of Israel then, as written, the 12 Apostles even sitting upon thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

You are in error if you replace Israel with the church. The church is receiving the blessing promised to Israel but Israel is still to be blessed and receive the fulfillment of the prophecies. This is part of the reason you cannot distinguish that the tribulation is an event aimed at Israel who long has been apostate toward Jehovah God. The church is not in rebellion against her Christ so she will not see judgment like Israel will receive.

There is no such thing as a replacement. God's Church began in the wilderness, was given the old covenant which His chosen rejected, and then Jesus sacrificed Himself upon the cross for all believers of ALL NATIONS to become one body in Him and The Father, which is God's and Christ's Church in CONTINUATION under a New and Better Covenant.

I was raised in a protestant denominational organization that think they are Christ's true Church just because of using the label, and the doctrines of men they have are the same kind of leaven working of men of those you are listening to.
 
Why do so many people believe that the Rapture is before the Tribulation, most say that they are not going through the Wrath of God, I totally agree with that. But when is that in the Tribulation, beginning, mid. I have a time line made up from the Bible , it starts with the attack on --Israel by Russia and others. And to back that up I found another piece of the puzzle in Daniel 9:2, 24-27 KJVIn the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. [24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. I'm adding a note here what I found * For this to happen the Jews had to go back to Israel, so in 1950 --Israel put in there book of Laws on page 159#51 a Law of Return, so 70 weeks is 70yrs = 1950- 2016 is 66yrs plus 4 more, Israel gets attack this year minis 3.5yrs till Tribulation leaves half a year to build the temple, I heard they have most of it already to go up, just move the rock, 1 world leader peace treaty with Israel takes care of that. Moves it to 1 world capital (Babylon). [25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. * Note - 7weeks is 7 years why only 7years because the Jews are run out of Israel after they kill the 1 world leader, the 62 weeks is 62days till Jesus comes because after 62days Jesus will be cut off. [26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. OK that is a good piece of the puzzle. Now let's look at when the Wrath oof God is to happen. We have 3 Judgments, 1st is the seals Jesus opens but it is all the Beast that becomes the 1 world leader, 10 kings, 3 opposed - ww3 let's say,then for the Trumpets would be Jesus because at the end the clue is in Revelation 6:15-17 KJV And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; [16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: [17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Now that we know Jesus is in control,we know his giving us warnings to get ready for the Rapture , called the 3 woes. Now for the last thing Jesus does in the 7th trumpet, o wait I almost forgot more proof that this is Jesus, Revelation 10:1-2, 7 KJV
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: [2] And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, [7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. (Yes I know that could be any angel but look at this) Matthew 17:1-2 KJV
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, [2] And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. (This is what Jesus will look like when he comes back). Now back to the 7th trumpet, Revelation 11:15, 18-19 KJV And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. [18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. [19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Now for the Wrath of God, in the Vials after the Rapture but to add that it is in the Great Tribulation, I said Jews head into wilderness half way right, Matthew 24:16, 21, 29-31, 36-37 KJV Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. [29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. [36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. [37] But as the days of Noe were , so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. I have so much more but I will let you look this up and don't forget to pray about it if you have trouble getting it. To add I didn't learn this from any man.
 
I'm sure that the Bible says that the beast goes in to the temple and declares he is God, let's see in
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 KJV Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. This is not the Devil but the beast or 1 world leader before he is killed by a Jew.
 
The rapture can happen at any moment all the prophecy has been fulfilled. the question is are you ready?
 
What prophecy have been filled, did Israel get attacked, did the 1 world leader come into power, how about 1 world gov, 1 world $$, 7year peace treaty with Israel and 1 world leader, the rebuilding of temple, and the biggest one God having judgement on his house sending the Devil to Earth, Israel going into the mountains where a place is prepared for them at Petra, Jordan, 2 Witnesses preaching at the wall, 144000 Jews preaching a new song, so much more has to happen before the Rapture, God shows us what is going to happen before, all I don't know is the day and hour.
 
When Jesus arrived and chose His Apostles, that began the foundation of His Church, and that is what Apostle Paul showed here...

Eph 2:18-22
8 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV



The foundation of Christ's Church, Paul shows there are the Apostles, OT prophets, and our Lord Jesus as The Chief Cornerstone.

Upon the Mount of Olives Jesus was speaking to the FOUNDATION of the Christian Church, NOT... to unbelieving Israel, and NOT... to the leaders of Israel. Believers that will be in the state of Israel for the end of days are just as much part of the Christian Church as a Christian Church in a small backwoods town in the U.S. state of Nebraska.

And like I said, Christ's Olivet Discourse is a direct parallel to the events given in Revelation Chapter 6 about the Seals. That is easily proven.



Yes it does try to split Christ's Church. It does that by trying to claim Israel even in Christ's future 1,000 years reign as a separate entity from Christ's Church. In reality per God's Word, His Church is His Israel in that future time, and one is either a part of it with Jesus as their King, or they are cut off from it and will have their place with the wicked. Those in Christ Jesus who overcome, of BOTH the seed of Israel and Gentiles, will reign with Jesus over all peoples and nations, including the kingdom of Israel then, as written, the 12 Apostles even sitting upon thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.



There is no such thing as a replacement. God's Church began in the wilderness, was given the old covenant which His chosen rejected, and then Jesus sacrificed Himself upon the cross for all believers of ALL NATIONS to become one body in Him and The Father, which is God's and Christ's Church in CONTINUATION under a New and Better Covenant.

I was raised in a protestant denominational organization that think they are Christ's true Church just because of using the label, and the doctrines of men they have are the same kind of leaven working of men of those you are listening to.
Because Israel rejected Christ the blessings promised to them were given to Gentiles. Israel must be restored but Israel will undergo judgment, the great tribulation, before that happens. The church will not see judgment but is passed from judgment unto eternal life.

You have laid a faulty foundation so you cannot arrive at the proper conclusion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
When Jesus Christ gave the Good news, the Gospel of Salvation, the message was the same for all who are to be saved. It is the same Gospel that was given to Abraham long before the law.

When Jesus speaks of Israel and Jews, He speaks to all who believe Him.

Anyne teaching that His Good News is different for some people is simply absurd, perhaps just ignorant.

I hope people are not surprised when we are in God's Israel, with the New Jerusalem that there are people who walked the earth as blood lineaged Jews. I pray their eyes e opened long before they see this to save some loss of treasure.

God bless all in Jesus Christ and who hear Him........amen.

If you sum up good news in one word,Jesus,then you are correct. However,the good news TO THE JEW,is that Jesus is the messiah,and messiah has ALREADY COME AND GONE BACK.

Now,that means almost zero to a gentile,as they have zero covenant as opposed to the JEW ALREADY IN COVENANT. So the message ,or good news,is in fact different To the Jew,but the same Jesus.

The message to the gentile,begins with Adam. They have no existing claim. Nothing TO REPLACE. The entire package is new,nothing to override,but a literal beggar brought into a gracious masters household.

That is why there are two doors,or gospels,but one room,or savior.
 
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Because Israel rejected Christ the blessings promised to them were given to Gentiles. Israel must be restored but Israel will undergo judgment, the great tribulation, before that happens. The church will not see judgment but is passed from judgment unto eternal life.

You have laid a faulty foundation so you cannot arrive at the proper conclusion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Mostly right

A little too blankety,broad-brushed,but close enough....i guess
 
What prophecy have been filled, did Israel get attacked, did the 1 world leader come into power, how about 1 world gov, 1 world $$, 7year peace treaty with Israel and 1 world leader, the rebuilding of temple, and the biggest one God having judgement on his house sending the Devil to Earth, Israel going into the mountains where a place is prepared for them at Petra, Jordan, 2 Witnesses preaching at the wall, 144000 Jews preaching a new song, so much more has to happen before the Rapture, God shows us what is going to happen before, all I don't know is the day and hour.
I think he means those leading up to the main harvest gathering,not the GT.
 
If the beast appears and calls himself Jesus Christ doesn't professing your faith in Jesus Christ take the name of the beast upon yourself? That is the worst case scenario, and if he plans to deceive the whole world then it is exactly what he will do. How does our faith in Jesus Christ protect us in this case? Where in the Bible does it state the limitations that the beast or antichrist will have? I imagine a fallen angel would have many supernatural powers.
He calls himself 666.

Jesus is Jesus.

No fake jesus has the holes in his side and hands
 
Both dispensation and pretrib rapture are solid no brainer biblical truths.

You can not unseat truth with some magic date you literally made up in your head.

No. Not some magic date. But its really easy by simply letting scripture interpret scripture
 
2Tim. 2:17-18 and their word will eat as does a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Pholetus.
Who concerning the truth (about the harpazo) have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

2Thess.2:3. Let no man deceive you by any means; for except there come a falling away (apostasia) first
and that man of sin be revealed.

I see these two verses in conjunction. They seem to say that:

Some folks thought the rapture had already taken place and they were left behind.

Paul did not say 'that won't happen until the end of seven years of tribulation and the whole world is under the wrath of God.'

He said 'the gatheting unto Christ won't happen until much of the 'church' has departed from the true faith, gospel, and Christ and the antichrist is revealed to the saints who are watching'.

Just thinking out loud here.
 
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