THE RAPTURE

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popeye said:
Been studying this since 1977.

Just now saw rev 14, (even though I read it A thousand times)

Just now saw mat 24 one taken component. With the mark of AC as a prism.

( though I have read it millions of times)

This stuff is beyond the human mind,and yet is so simple.
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Just finished reading Matthew this week, and every time Matthew 24:40-41 leaves me wondering about the rapture.
 
49 said:
With the latter vehicle being a bumpy, turbulent ride?
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Even the foolish get an awesome deal. He loves us all,and seems to weep over us.

The martyrdom deal is awesome beyond words.

In fact,they get the martyrs reward in heaven.

I believe Jesus kinda touched on this when he said " others were loitering around and the master said; why are you wasting away the day? And they replied no man has hired us.

Well they only worked about an hour and got FULL PAY.

The others that worked all day objected.

The human "fairness" has no place in heaven.

The last is first,the first is last.

Inverted.
 
49 said:
If they were backslidden, after they said 'Lord, Lord, open to us', why did the bridegroom say 'verily I say unto you, I know you not'? The door had been shut. If they were Christians, what happened to them? My question is, if a believer misses the rapture, are they given a second chance? Is this what your post is implying? Just trying to understand here.
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[1]Because it was to late to go up in the rapture.

[2] "I knew you not", means Jesus didn't recognise then as Christians.

[3]They were all Christians, [They all had oil, The Holy Spirit].
Five were ready watching and waiting.
Five were backsliden, and wasn't recognised as Christians.

[4], Jesus is coming for those who, "Love Him", 1 Cor 16: 22. "Are looking for Him", Heb 9: 28.
Without spot or wrinkle, But holy and without blemish", Eph 5: 27. , "Those that purify themselves", 1 Jn 3: 2--3.

The oil, [Holy Spirit] in the five unwise virgins, was so low because they weren't living for Jesus, that they weren't recognised as Christians.

[5]They were left behind to go through the great tribulation period.

[5]They are given a second chance, but most likely be killed, Rev 6: 9. Rev 20: 4.
 
49 said:
Man, have I been misunderstanding!?
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Those in Rev 7: 9--15, are those who go up in the mid trib rapture, They weren't killed.
The Book of Revelation says people were killed, if they were, Rev 6: 9. Rev 20: 4, But Rev 7: 9--15 doesn't mention them being killed.
 
49 said:
Just finished reading Matthew this week, and every time Matthew 24:40-41 leaves me wondering about the rapture.
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It almost has to be the rapture. One taken in a peacetime setting.

In a post trib rapture dynamic,they say the one taken is a wicked one.

If we play it out,and we place it post trib,one taken has the mark of the beast. This is a quagmire all it's own.

Literally can not happen.
 
God4me said:
Those in Rev 7: 9--15, are those who go up in the mid trib rapture, They weren't killed.
The Book of Revelation says people were killed, if they were, Rev 6: 9. Rev 20: 4, But Rev 7: 9--15 doesn't mention them being killed.
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The AC IS COMMISSIONED early on to kill Christians. He kills every human on the planet W/O the mark.

It makes no sense,since millions are killed at the beginning,and the Lord tells the martyrs,at the beginning their number will be complete,to just throw those verses to the wind.

What purpose does that serve since you can not prove your point?
 
49 said:
Just finished reading Matthew this week, and every time Matthew 24:40-41 leaves me wondering about the rapture.
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Some people say Matt 24: 40--41, Isn't the rapture, and some say it's the pre tribulation rapture, I agree with the later,
as v 42 says we should watch for we don't no when Jesus will come. But once the antichrist begins to reign, the people in the know, will know how long they have until Jesus comes back.
Why I say "people in the know", is, Because some Jews, backslider's or unbelievers would have heard about the seven year reign of the. antichrist.
And if the Church had to go through the tribulation period, we would know how long we will have before Jesus comes again.
 
popeye said:
The AC IS COMMISSIONED early on to kill Christians. He kills every human on the planet W/O the mark.

It makes no sense,since millions are killed at the beginning,and the Lord tells the martyrs,at the beginning their number will be complete,to just throw those verses to the wind.

What purpose does that serve since you can not prove your point?
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The Bible says, when people are killed, Rev 6: 9. Rev 20: 4, But there is no mention of those in Rev 7: 9--15, being killed.
Every Greek Bible scholar who specialises in the end times, All agree that Rev 7, is the mid trib rapture of the 144.000 and the
multitudes.
So I have a better case then you do, as Rev 7: 9--15 doesn't mention them being killed.
 
49 said:
If they were backslidden, after they said 'Lord, Lord, open to us', why did the bridegroom say 'verily I say unto you, I know you not'? The door had been shut. If they were Christians, what happened to them? My question is, if a believer misses the rapture, are they given a second chance? Is this what your post is implying? Just trying to understand here.
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Regarding the 5 foolish virgins, I gotta agree with you that they were not "backslidden" but were never saved. In the parable they attempted to be saved by association with the 5 wise virgins. That is why they said give us some of your oil that we may have "salvation" as well. This is obviously not possible as salvation is of the heart and cannot be by proxy.
 
God4me said:
The Bible says, when people are killed, Rev 6: 9. Rev 20: 4, But there is no mention of those in Rev 7: 9--15, being killed.
Every Greek Bible scholar who specialises in the end times, All agree that Rev 7, is the mid trib rapture of the 144.000 and the
multitudes.
So I have a better case then you do, as Rev 7: 9--15 doesn't mention them being killed.
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There is no mid-trib catching away for the GTS, for they are resurrected after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age as shown in Rev.20:4-6. The reason that we know that they are killed is because the elder tells John that they have come out of the great tribulation, which is the same 3 1/2 years that the beast is given power to make war against and conquer the GTS (Dan.7:25, Rev.13:5-7). John's vision of the GTS in Rev.7:9-17 is just that, a vision of those who will be killed during the great tribulation period. The only ones who are caught up in the middle of the seven years will be the male child/144,000 and the two witnesses (Rev.11:11, 12:5).
 
Ahwatukee, I really wish you or popeye would write a book I could buy so I could listen without interruption. It's all still so confused and disjointed to me. Thank you both for all your work here.
 
Ahwatukee said:
There is no mid-trib catching away for the GTS, for they are resurrected after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age as shown in Rev.20:4-6. The reason that we know that they are killed is because the elder tells John that they have come out of the great tribulation, which is the same 3 1/2 years that the beast is given power to make war against and conquer the GTS (Dan.7:25, Rev.13:5-7). John's vision of the GTS in Rev.7:9-17 is just that, a vision of those who will be killed during the great tribulation period. The only ones who are caught up in the middle of the seven years will be the male child/144,000 and the two witnesses (Rev.11:11, 12:5).
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Rev 7: 9--15 doesn't say they were killed, Whenever they were killed, the book of Revelation mentions it, Rev 6: 9. Rev 20:4.
But Rev 7, doesn't mention anything about them being killed.

Please note Rev 7: 9 & v15, says they were in heaven around the Throne, Yet those in Rev 20: 4, weren't resurrected at the time of Rev 7.
Plus V 14 says they came out of the great tribulation, But those in Rev 20, is after the tribulation period, Jesus had come back to reign before then.
Every Greek Bible scholar who specialises in the end time prophecies, Agree that Rev 7 is the mid trib rapture.
You have no prove that they were killed, So you cannot say they were.
 
SteelToedKodiak said:
Regarding the 5 foolish virgins, I gotta agree with you that they were not "backslidden" but were never saved. In the parable they attempted to be saved by association with the 5 wise virgins. That is why they said give us some of your oil that we may have "salvation" as well. This is obviously not possible as salvation is of the heart and cannot be by proxy.
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The five foolish virgins, WERE backslidden.
They WERE saved, They had the oil, [The Holy Spirit].
They were ALL virgins, [Meaning they were all the same], It doesn't say five were virgins and five weren't virgins.
 
God4me said:
The five foolish virgins, WERE backslidden.
They WERE saved, They had the oil, [The Holy Spirit].
They were ALL virgins, [Meaning they were all the same], It doesn't say five were virgins and five weren't virgins.
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Perhaps the fact they are referred to as foolish means they were not saved. Perhaps it is trying to show us that when we don't rely on God but rather we try and do for ourselves how foolish we really are.
 
FlSnookman7 said:
Perhaps the fact they are referred to as foolish means they were not saved. Perhaps it is trying to show us that when we don't rely on God but rather we try and do for ourselves how foolish we really are.
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They were all virgins, [Saved], They all had oil, [The Holy Spirit], Unsaved people don't have the Holy Spirit.
 
SteelToedKodiak said:
If the Lord never knew them, then how were they ever known (saved)?
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Jesus didn't recognise them as Christians, Because they weren't living right, they were backslidden.
If the five foolish virgins weren't saved, then neither was the five wise virgins, Because they were all the same, they all had the oil, [The Holy Spirit], although the oil in the foolish was so low, it was hard to recognise them as Christians.
 
God4me said:
Jesus didn't recognise them as Christians, Because they weren't living right, they were backslidden.
If the five foolish virgins weren't saved, then neither was the five wise virgins, Because they were all the same, they all had the oil, [The Holy Spirit], although the oil in the foolish was so low, it was hard to recognise them as Christians.
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What if the oil here refers to the measure of faith given to all and the 5 foolish ones choose not to believe?
 
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