Why in the world would you say that. You believe Jesus cannot protect His people right here on Gods green earth. I do and the scriptures say the same.
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Why in the world would you say that. You believe Jesus cannot protect His people right here on Gods green earth. I do and the scriptures say the same.
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Took who away? was it the people in the ark or outside the ark.
The flood took everyone, and everything away at the same time, some where safe inside the ark and the rest died.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
When He comes those that are in the ark of Christ will be saved and those that are not will be lost... No secret rapture, no earthly kingdom.
Hello TMS,
"They" are those outside of the ark, for scriptures states that "they" knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took "them" all away. It couldn't be speaking about Noah and those on the ark, because they knew that the flood was coming, which is why he was building the ark for a hundred years. Also, those of the "one taken" group are being compared to the those who are taken in the flood. So the comparison is wicked to wicked. That said, those who are of the "one taken" group are the tares of the parable in Mt.13, where at the end of the age, the angels go out and gather all who are evil and commit sin and will bring them back to Armageddon where they will be killed by that double-edged sword, which is figurative representing the word of God. To be clear, those of the "one taken" group is not representing the gathering of the living believers in Christ.
Also, it is not a secret rapture, but is a legitimate promise which is separate from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. The gathering of the church takes place prior to God pouring out his wrath upon this earth via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. And the other event is when the Lord returns to the earth after the his wrath is completed when he ends the age and establishes his millennial kingdom. This false teaching came about because people erroneously made the gathering of the church synonymous with the Lord's return to end the age. Both are different events.
Hello Wall,
The reason that you say this is because, like many others, you have not understood the severity and magnitude of the coming wrath. from the middle of the seven years, no one will be able to credit or debit their bank accounts without having that mark. At the same time, from the beginning of that seven years God will be pouring out His wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Through these plagues of wrath, God is going to decimate the population of the earth and dismantle all human government. With just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet alone, the fatalities will be approximately 4.5 billion people and that is not including trumpets 1, 2 & 3 nor the seven bowl judgments. Just as Jesus said, unless those days had been shortened, no one would be left alive on the earth.
Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 ….. and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:10 ….for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:19 Whosoever ……shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but …..
Go through the Bible and compare the kingdom of this earth with the kingdom of Heaven. This world isn’t Jesus’s kingdom.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Luk_18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Heb_6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Mat_13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
The Bible clearly states that this world is coming to an end, and Jesus isn’t going to rule on this sin contaminated world.
Mat_4:17 ….. and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:10 ….for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:19 Whosoever ……shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but …..
Go through the Bible and compare the kingdom of this earth with the kingdom of Heaven. This world isn’t Jesus’s kingdom.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Luk_18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Heb_6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Mat_13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
The Bible clearly states that this world is coming to an end, and Jesus isn’t going to rule on this sin contaminated world.
You are correct in that, this is what scripture teaches. But, this present heaven and earth do not depart until the end of the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment. After the wrath of God has been poured out, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age and we with him. The beast and the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire alive and then Satan will be restricted in the Abyss during Christ's thousand year reign. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be let out of the Abyss for one last rebellion and will then be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown at thousand years earlier (Rev.19:20, 20:10). After the great white throne judgment, then John sees a new heaven, new earth and New Jerusalem.
True, but regarding the coming wrath Jesus said, that it would be a time of great distress such as the world has never seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again, including the flood. Scripture states that those who are in Christ are not appointed to suffer wrath and that because Jesus rescued us from the coming wrath and therefore, we cannot go through. He also makes this same promise for those who overcome in Rev.3:10 saying, "because you have kept t he patience of my word, I will also keep you [out of] the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world to test those who dwell upon the face of the earth. The Lord's appearing to gather the church is our blessed hope. But it would be no blessed hope if we were to go through the wrath that God is going bring upon this earth.
Hi TMS,
From the time that the Lord ascended into heaven to prepare those dwelling places for all believers in the Father's house (John 14:1-3), ever since that time His appearing to gather us has been imminent. The stage is being set for the events that will take place during the time of God's wrath and the beasts reign. If we can see the stage being set for that time period and we are supposed to be gone before it begins, then we are very close to the time of the Lord's appearing to resurrect the dead in Christ and the gathering of the living to take us back to the Father's house according to His promise.
Speaking of being saved, their will be people during the millennial period who will come to Christ known as the great tribulation saints introduced in Rev.7:9-17. Scripture states that the beast will be given power to make war and conquer them for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age. Therefore, salvation will be available even during the time of God's wrath and the beasts reign. But because of their testimony of Jesus and the word of God and that they will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark, the majority of the GTS will be killed during that time, but some will make it through til Christ returns.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
If you have the seal of God you are saved when Jesus comes, if you have the mark of or worship the beast you will die when Jesus comes.
Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev_20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
i don't see 1000 years x 2 it is the same time period in all these verses and the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were over (2nd resurrection).
If satan is locked up for 1000 years with no one to deceive (he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.) when he come out of prison he has people to deceive (2nd resurrection).Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
If you have the seal of God you are saved when Jesus comes, if you have the mark of or worship the beast you will die when Jesus comes.
Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev_20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
i don't see 1000 years x 2 it is the same time period in all these verses and the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were over (2nd resurrection).
If satan is locked up for 1000 years with no one to deceive (he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.) when he come out of prison he has people to deceive (2nd resurrection).Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Your the one who doesn't believe that God can protect His people, get it right.
I'm the one who says God will deliver His people, by the pre trib rapture.
R
RobbyEarl
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Your close my friend. Have you heard that Walmart has signed agreement with GS4 a security company. I don't know the validity of this. But , if you want to shop at Walmart you must have a chip inserted in your hand. They say it's coming within the next year. IDK, seems like Walmart would take a dive if they implemented this. But it's the talk of the town.
Oh and the 3 1/2 years is when the Antichrist dominates Israel. It's always about Israel. The church is gone, Feasting with the Groom.
Please note, God didn't take the sinner's away, they stayed and drowned.
God did take Noah away.
As it was in the days of Noah.
First the warning.
Then the moving of God's people.
Then the wrath.
First the warning.
Then the pre trib rapture. ( the moving of God's people ).
Then the wrath.
We ARE NOT appointed to wrath. 1 Thess 5: 9.
There is a pre tribulation rapture, and there is a coming earthly Kingdom where we will come back with Jesus and He shall reign for 1000 years.
When Noah entered the ark the door closed and from that point on probation was closed for the world, God shut the door and no one could enter. when we die our probation closes. when Jesus comes His reward is with Him because everyone has been judged. Probation closes before Jesus comes.
Hello RobbyEarl,
Yes I agree the church will be gone. And though this last seven years is in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, God will also be dealing with the rest of the world and dismantling all human governments. (Dan.2:31-45)
And regarding Wallmart I had not heard of that, but I am always keeping my eyes and ears open for new developments regarding end-time events.
Yes I agree the church will be gone. And though this last seven years is in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, God will also be dealing with the rest of the world and dismantling all human governments. (Dan.2:31-45)
And regarding Wallmart I had not heard of that, but I am always keeping my eyes and ears open for new developments regarding end-time events.
The pre trib rapture has deceived so many churchs, and there isn't any use trying to debate it when you are fully convinced.
I'm guilty of being convinced of my beliefs too, but in the end Jesus will judge our hearts and see our faith, not our doctrines, or our understanding of doctrines, the thing that counts is how close we are with Jesus, Do i kNOW Him? knowing Him is more important than knowing when he will come. when these events happen i'm sure no one will be 100% correct or accurate about the way it all happens but i know that if i'm prepared to go through the time of trouble with Jesus and knowing my faith will be tested i will be more prepared then those that think they will not face any trials.