The rapture is close?
- Thread starter Blain
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Any notion of a pre-trib rapture is incorrect because the scripture says that the DotL will not occur until after the GT and the triple sign in the sky, per Matt 24 and Joel 2.
Perhaps try backing up your assertions with scripture for a constructive conversation. Mere;y stating your belief isn't an argument against any other view.
Perhaps try backing up your assertions with scripture for a constructive conversation. Mere;y stating your belief isn't an argument against any other view.
The TEXT ITSELF does NOT say (as you suggest) any idea of his having WRITTEN this letter "AFTER he was taken up".... that is to INJECT a word / idea NOT being expressed in this text. (read it again VERY CAREFULLY, as though you were an investigator listening to witnesses--the TEXT isn't saying what YOU are suggesting).
Here are a couple of posts I made to address this point back in Oct 2021:
--Post # 2095 - https://christianchat.com/threads/h...ular-in-the-modern-church.201091/post-4674367
--see especially Post # 2071 - https://christianchat.com/threads/h...ular-in-the-modern-church.201091/post-4674302 (note the last paragraph of this post also)
Here are a couple of posts I made to address this point back in Oct 2021:
--Post # 2095 - https://christianchat.com/threads/h...ular-in-the-modern-church.201091/post-4674367
--see especially Post # 2071 - https://christianchat.com/threads/h...ular-in-the-modern-church.201091/post-4674302 (note the last paragraph of this post also)
-
1
- Show all
I don't care what Elijah wrote 2000 years before Paul wrote what he wrote. I care what Paul wrote. To me he wrote it plainly. The lord will decend with the shout of an arch angel Then the dead will rise first and those left alive will be caught up. I will read though verses when trying to understand a certain idea. However if it is written plainly I see no point in it. When you prescribe numbers to words and site all these differnt ideas I think of the saying attributed to Einstein. If you can't explain it to a 6 year old you don't know what you are talking bout. To each thier own. The OP asked when I think it would be I awnsered it.
I don't see where the TEXT ITSELF states "[Elijah] WROTE" a letter "AFTER" he was taken up.
It simply states "Then a letter came to him from Elijah..." (it never states Elijah mailed it AFTER his chariot ride, or any such idea), or in the kjv the text is worded like this: "And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying..."
-- 2 Chronicles 21 (KJV) - And there came a writing ("a writing"--That's a NOUN, referring to the actual object itself... not saying ANYTHING about *when* Elijah PENNED [verb] it, see.)
...it doesn't state WHEN he wrote it... and the TEXT ITSELF doesn't state that ELIJAH HIMSELF had it delivered to the recipients...
(...as opposed to by some other means... Like in the same way Paul's epistles TO THE CHURCH WHICH IS HIS BODY / THE BODY OF CHRIST [/US]" could be said of them "a letter CAME TO US from Paul... but they "came to US" [living some near-2000-yrs later by means of OTHER HANDS who delivered them tangibly to US]--They are still letters addressed TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [that's US, too! Not just those 1st century believers [Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]" = "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"--we're still here, and still expecting the things Paul wrote about our "HOPE" (not yet seen)]);
example: When Paul wrote the words "then WE which are ALIVE and remain...," it is not so much that he himself even expected to still be alive when this thing will take place he's writing about, but that he UNDERSTOOD *FOR CERTAIN* that at least a SEGMENT of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (whom he is tasked with ADDRESSING) WOULD/WILL still be alive at the time being spoken of (b/c the "ONE BODY" is what will be "SNATCHED [G726 - raptured / caught up]" together in ONE SNATCH-ACTION--*and* he says of us, "WE shall not ALL sleep, but WE shall ALL be changed IN A MOMENT, in the twinkling of an eye, AT..."--i.e. at ONE POINT IN TIME pertaining to the WHOLE "Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [ALL those saved "in this present age [singular]"--'Rapture / SNATCH [G726]" pertain SOLEY TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY," not to all OTHER saints of all OTHER time periods. No.])
Hope that helps you see my perspective about Elijah's letter (not to mention Paul's numerous epistles. lol) One could say, "a letter came to him/ [/us] from Paul..." (but we received it after he's long been "at home with the Lord" [absent from the body, via his having died in the first century].)
It simply states "Then a letter came to him from Elijah..." (it never states Elijah mailed it AFTER his chariot ride, or any such idea), or in the kjv the text is worded like this: "And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying..."
-- 2 Chronicles 21 (KJV) - And there came a writing ("a writing"--That's a NOUN, referring to the actual object itself... not saying ANYTHING about *when* Elijah PENNED [verb] it, see.)
...it doesn't state WHEN he wrote it... and the TEXT ITSELF doesn't state that ELIJAH HIMSELF had it delivered to the recipients...
(...as opposed to by some other means... Like in the same way Paul's epistles TO THE CHURCH WHICH IS HIS BODY / THE BODY OF CHRIST [/US]" could be said of them "a letter CAME TO US from Paul... but they "came to US" [living some near-2000-yrs later by means of OTHER HANDS who delivered them tangibly to US]--They are still letters addressed TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [that's US, too! Not just those 1st century believers [Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]" = "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"--we're still here, and still expecting the things Paul wrote about our "HOPE" (not yet seen)]);
example: When Paul wrote the words "then WE which are ALIVE and remain...," it is not so much that he himself even expected to still be alive when this thing will take place he's writing about, but that he UNDERSTOOD *FOR CERTAIN* that at least a SEGMENT of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (whom he is tasked with ADDRESSING) WOULD/WILL still be alive at the time being spoken of (b/c the "ONE BODY" is what will be "SNATCHED [G726 - raptured / caught up]" together in ONE SNATCH-ACTION--*and* he says of us, "WE shall not ALL sleep, but WE shall ALL be changed IN A MOMENT, in the twinkling of an eye, AT..."--i.e. at ONE POINT IN TIME pertaining to the WHOLE "Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [ALL those saved "in this present age [singular]"--'Rapture / SNATCH [G726]" pertain SOLEY TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY," not to all OTHER saints of all OTHER time periods. No.])
Hope that helps you see my perspective about Elijah's letter (not to mention Paul's numerous epistles. lol) One could say, "a letter came to him/ [/us] from Paul..." (but we received it after he's long been "at home with the Lord" [absent from the body, via his having died in the first century].)
-
1
- Show all
My apologies for mistakenly thinking *you* were the poster making the point about "Elijah's letter" being [supposedly] written AFTER he went up... but that wasn't YOU making that post, it was @Johnjunior ... so please forgive me and disregard the fact that I addressed my post to the WRONG PERSON. Sry!
Aww... the man who wrote that book based his "figurings" on the faulty "Historicist" hermeneutic, so naturally came to incorrect conclusions. 
["1260 DAYS" is "1260 DAYS" not "1260 *years*"--one of the many MIS-steps of such hermeneutic, sorry to say]
["1260 DAYS" is "1260 DAYS" not "1260 *years*"--one of the many MIS-steps of such hermeneutic, sorry to say]