The King James Bible

[hornetguy]

Assume whatever you like you can't succeed in any attack against the Holy Bible.
And you can't google a defense of the modern bibles either.
And I simply trust God and the Holy Ghost always helps me against all the phony bibles and the lies they gender.

Yeah... you should listen to your own advice.

If you remember, I am not the one saying the KJV is a "false Bible".

I am not the one saying that if you like/read the KJV, you are following a "book of lies"

I am merely pointing out the stupidity/audacity/condescension of those of the KJV ONLY cult.

I'm happy for you if you like the KJV. I occasionally read the KJV, when I want a dose of the "good old days". For more realistic reading and study, I prefer the NASB, and the NLT, and the MLT, and the ESV.... even the NKJV.

And guess what? ALL of those are the pure words of God. And I don't worship ANY of them as being the ONLY recorded pure words of God.

YOU are the only one "on the attack" here.

 

[fredoheaven]

And what will you get by comparing it to KJV?

KJV is not a standard to which all other translations must be compared. Greek is the standard.

This again and again and again putting yourself into error and it seems you don't even have the slightest comprehension to which I'm trying to point out. Antiquity has been challenged here and I point out they bring the newest English versions out there because to the many here posting in this thread they call KJV is outdated but no one dared so far to bring one not even you in order for us to study. If antiquity is concern then the KJV English of 1611 is a far far more modern than the Greek you are saying and to which Greek you are trying to refer to?

The Vaticanus which were kept in the Vatican Library has it's extra's and omissions and the Sinaiticus found at the wastebaskets at St. Catherine Monastery are even the very old ones yet they are corrupt in nature.

You need to think twice and study it first before putting your post against "The Holy Bible". That will be a good advice I think.

 

[Dino246]

More drama. Go ahead get serious you can't make God respect books with lies in them.

Genesis 3:4 The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!" In Judges 16:7, Samson said to Delilah, "If they bind me with seven fresh cords that have not been dried, then I will become weak and be like any other man." In 1 Kings 22:11, Zedekiah said, "Thus says the Lord, 'With these you will gore the Arameans until they are consumed.'" All three are lies. All three are in the Bible. I guess your god doesn't respect the Bible.

 

[Speak2Me]

So the zionist jews converted to the religion and have 0 blood relation to the actual "chosen" ancient Israelites. They are imposters who pretend to be jews, yet worship the devil and/or deny Christ

It's nice to know there's someone else who sees this.

I am not anti-Jew by no means, but I am anti-zionist because they're fake Jews who is in charge of Israel's politics and because Rothschilds are Khazar zionists.

 

[fredoheaven]

What are you talking about?

I've stated a number of times my personal translation preference. I'm not here to sell it to anyone else and I never claimed it was the NEWEST. You are just being silly.

Umm, I am just proving a point and a point needs a counterpoint, anyway I will this pass.

Thanks for the interaction.

 

[fredoheaven]

There is the Modern King James Bible (MKJV)

Modern King James Version - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

So that the Modern follows the critical readings and is in error.

God bless

 

[trofimus]

This again and again and again putting yourself into error and it seems you don't even have the slightest comprehension to which I'm trying to point out. Antiquity has been challenged here and I point out they bring the newest English versions out there because to the many here posting in this thread they call KJV is outdated but no one dared so far to bring one not even you in order for us to study. If antiquity is concern then the KJV English of 1611 is a far far more modern than the Greek you are saying and to which Greek you are trying to refer to?

The Vaticanus which were kept in the Vatican Library has it's extra's and omissions and the Sinaiticus found at the wastebaskets at St. Catherine Monastery are even the very old ones yet they are corrupt in nature.

You need to think twice and study it first before putting your post against "The Holy Bible". That will be a good advice I think.

I do not know which Bible is "newest", but you can go to biblehub.com and there you can find 20 translations more updated than the KJV.

 

[MatthewG]

You know Kings James bible was the first book I read in 2015 when I first started being a christian...

Of course early in my faith, I was a believer in God and the Lord Jesus Christ, but I was someone who wanted, the Lord Jesus Christ to come back and destory the world because I look @ everyone else, and they were not doing what I was doing, so I wanted it just all to be over, soon at one point...

But as I grew in faith in the Lord JEsus Christ, and kept walking, and found some help...

I realized how everything was going to be okay in Christ Jesus, and this when the peace finally settled down in my heart, that I could still be free in Christ Jesus, to Love God, and to really Love others.



Now aside from this, if we can boil it down to this is where it suppose to be at...

Loving God, and Loving others...


What version of the bible you have doesn't really even matter.


There are older bibles, but they aren't in english... in the 1500's is when we first started to get a bible we could understand in our own language...

 

[trofimus]

This again and again and again putting yourself into error and it seems you don't even have the slightest comprehension to which I'm trying to point out. Antiquity has been challenged here and I point out they bring the newest English versions out there because to the many here posting in this thread they call KJV is outdated but no one dared so far to bring one not even you in order for us to study. If antiquity is concern then the KJV English of 1611 is a far far more modern than the Greek you are saying and to which Greek you are trying to refer to?

The Vaticanus which were kept in the Vatican Library has it's extra's and omissions and the Sinaiticus found at the wastebaskets at St. Catherine Monastery are even the very old ones yet they are corrupt in nature.

You need to think twice and study it first before putting your post against "The Holy Bible". That will be a good advice I think.

1. Antiquity is one of concerns.

2. Not very good sources for translation is another.

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1.
"Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms."
Ez 13:20, KJV

"I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms."
Ez 13:20, NIV

2.
Jewish masoretic text from 9th century for the OT.
Erasmus´ critical text from 16th century for the NT.

 

[John146]

Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man love me, he will keep my words.

Who loves Jesus? Do we have His words to keep? Where are they? Can His words be trusted, every one of them?

Most on this forum do not believe we have the words of God. Most believe all we have is a translation of His words and that all of them cannot be trusted because of difficulties in translation and such. What God do you serve?

If every one of God's words cannot be trusted, He cannot be trusted. If every one of God's words cannot be trusted, then the name of Jesus cannot be trusted.

Can you trust your Bible? Every word to be without mixture and error? If not, why read it? Why study it? Why live by it if it cannot be trusted? If parts of it cannot be trusted, then all of it cannot be trusted.

 

[trofimus]

Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man love me, he will keep my words.

Who loves Jesus? Do we have His words to keep? Where are they? Can His words be trusted, every one of them?

Most on this forum do not believe we have the words of God. Most believe all we have is a translation of His words and that all of them cannot be trusted because of difficulties in translation and such. What God do you serve?

If every one of God's words cannot be trusted, He cannot be trusted. If every one of God's words cannot be trusted, then the name of Jesus cannot be trusted.

Can you trust your Bible? Every word to be without mixture and error? If not, why read it? Why study it? Why live by it if it cannot be trusted? If parts of it cannot be trusted, then all of it cannot be trusted.

Only God is perfect, you must trust Him, not some printed book, to be perfect.

All Scriptures (in their original written form) are useful for our growth. Translations 2000 years later can present them well or badly.

But never make equation between your book and words of Jesus. His words can be trusted, every one of them, because He is God. 1000 people working on the goal for you to have your KJV are not God.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man love me, he will keep my words.

Who loves Jesus? Do we have His words to keep? Where are they? Can His words be trusted, every one of them?

Most on this forum do not believe we have the words of God. Most believe all we have is a translation of His words and that all of them cannot be trusted because of difficulties in translation and such. What God do you serve?

If every one of God's words cannot be trusted, He cannot be trusted. If every one of God's words cannot be trusted, then the name of Jesus cannot be trusted.

Can you trust your Bible? Every word to be without mixture and error? If not, why read it? Why study it? Why live by it if it cannot be trusted? If parts of it cannot be trusted, then all of it cannot be trusted.

I've never had a problem with any of that, It's never been an issue. I trust God with his word. You are trying to discourage people from study. We have more readily available study aids and tools to examine the original languages of The Bible than ever. If you want to set up a stumbling block, trip over it yourself. You don't need to make assumptions about what you think "most people" believe. Bible study is one of the greatest joys of life.

 

[hornetguy]

I've never had a problem with any of that, It's never been an issue. I trust God with his word. You are trying to discourage people from study. We have more readily available study aids and tools to examine the original languages of The Bible than ever. If you want to set up a stumbling block, trip over it yourself. You don't need to make assumptions about what you think "most people" believe. Bible study is one of the greatest joys of life.

But under the KJVO's logic, if you read that God created the heavens (which is actually accurate, but isn't the same word the KJV uses ) then you must then realize that YOUR translation very likely teaches that Jesus was actually Satan, and that he didn't really die on the cross, and that we have to be good enough to be saved..... because in their myopic world, we HAVE to have the EXACT words of God..... never mind the fact that NOBODY has the exact words of God. All we have are translations (Spirit guided) of the most ancient, most likely accurate words that were written, inspired by God.

It is simply mis-guided translation worship, that has turned into judgment and condemnation of anyone who doesn't toe THEIR line.

It is one of the most extreme versions of "Pharisee-ism" that I have ever seen. Leglaism gone wild, if you will.

 

[tanakh]

I propose we have a KJV Forum along with a Flat Earth and a Trump Fan Forum then those who subscribe to them can get it off their chest to their hearts content and leave the rest of us to discuss Christianity.

 

[preacher4truth]

Can you trust your Bible? Every word to be without mixture and error? If not, why read it? Why study it? Why live by it if it cannot be trusted? If parts of it cannot be trusted, then all of it cannot be trusted.

Your King Jimmy version isn't a word for word translation. Thus it has some mixture in it, men adding words to the original texts. Plus some translational errors. Christ, on the other hand is without error, yet your faith falls apart because it is in printed text that has to have zero errors and/or mixture.

 

[John146]

Only God is perfect, you must trust Him, not some printed book, to be perfect.

All Scriptures (in their original written form) are useful for our growth. Translations 2000 years later can present them well or badly.

But never make equation between your book and words of Jesus. His words can be trusted, every one of them, because He is God. 1000 people working on the goal for you to have your KJV are not God.

In order for God to be perfect, His words must be pure, holy and perfect.

By what you are saying, we don't have the words of Jesus. How do you know Jesus' words are perfect? How do you know they can be trusted? In your mind, we don't have them. In your mind, what we have cannot be trusted since they are merely a translation of what was given 2000+ years ago.

 

[John146]

I've never had a problem with any of that, It's never been an issue. I trust God with his word. You are trying to discourage people from study. We have more readily available study aids and tools to examine the original languages of The Bible than ever. If you want to set up a stumbling block, trip over it yourself. You don't need to make assumptions about what you think "most people" believe. Bible study is one of the greatest joys of life.

Where are the words of God? Only the words of God can be trusted. Please tell me where they are? Every one of them. Do you have them? Do you have access to the words of God? The words of God are pure words without mixture or error. Do you have them?

 

[John146]

But under the KJVO's logic, if you read that God created the heavens (which is actually accurate, but isn't the same word the KJV uses ) then you must then realize that YOUR translation very likely teaches that Jesus was actually Satan, and that he didn't really die on the cross, and that we have to be good enough to be saved..... because in their myopic world, we HAVE to have the EXACT words of God..... never mind the fact that NOBODY has the exact words of God. All we have are translations (Spirit guided) of the most ancient, most likely accurate words that were written, inspired by God.

It is simply mis-guided translation worship, that has turned into judgment and condemnation of anyone who doesn't toe THEIR line.

It is one of the most extreme versions of "Pharisee-ism" that I have ever seen. Leglaism gone wild, if you will.

Is it? Really? Who wants to distort the words of God? Satan? I believe every word of my Bible to be the very words of God and you call that idol worship. Did God give us His holy, pure and perfect words for us to live by and not preserve them?

 

[John146]

I propose we have a KJV Forum along with a Flat Earth and a Trump Fan Forum then those who subscribe to them can get it off their chest to their hearts content and leave the rest of us to discuss Christianity.

I suppose we have a false bible forum and let them brag about having bibles that aren't truth. By the way, Christianity is about God's truth, His word.

 

[trofimus]

Where are the words of God? Only the words of God can be trusted. Please tell me where they are? Every one of them. Do you have them? Do you have access to the words of God? The words of God are pure words without mixture or error. Do you have them?

We do not have all single words given to prophets in the event of their inspiration. Neither me, nor you. We do not have all words Christ ever said to his disciples.

But we both have all important teachings of Christ and God for our life.

Example:
We can discuss if G 1:1 had originally "heaven" or "heavens". We do not know for sure. But we are both sure that God is the creator of everything.