The Gun Thread

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shittim said:
Knew some ww2 veterans who were given point shooting training.
They got really good at it. The supporting theory being when we point at something we are right on it, the eye-hand coordination works this out. Should be a help with self defense requirements.:)(y):unsure:
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There used to be a LOT of debate between sighted vs point shooting advocates way back in the olden days when people bought magazines.
Each gun writer presented good arguments for both.
I remember Masaad Ayoob saying you can't miss fast enough, better get sight alignment first.
Then there was Patrick Sweeney(?) who promoted point shooting from the Fairbain Applegate school of thought.
I might be wrong about the first name. I remember that he had a lot of photos of revolver in hand near the solar plexus, crouching.
I always got him confused with the younger Sweeney gun writer and smith.

I think both have merits as you proved with the old video of Bob Mundon.
That was awesome.
 
He was quite a shooter! We have been blessed with many, Annie Oakley, Frank Butler, George Patton should have won a gold in the Pentathlon.
 
Ad Topperwein was phenomenal during the early 1900's... Bill Jordan was, as well, during the 50s-70s... Ed McGivern was thought to be the fastest. Then came along Jerry Miculek.... I don't think he's human.

Point shooting is VERY effective.... but it takes a BUNCH of shooting to get there. I watched a video of a guy from PEW something... I am pretty sure it wasn't PEW-PEW Tactical.... maybe Pew Nation? Anyway, he would point and shoot metal gongs at various ranges just effortlessly.... almost like he didn't pay any attention to it.... like he thought about the target he wanted to hit, fired the gun and hit it... it was pretty amazing.
 
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wow! Took lot to get there. I will watch for it.
I have heard it taught that when the sear trips a photo is taken in the brain, and the more good photos the better shot we are. We can't take out the bad ones, we can only put more good ones in.
blessings
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
I just learned something new. I didn't know General Patton was in the Olympics. He sure was known for the ivory handled Colts.
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Since he was robbed they now have a moving paper target behind the scored target, they said he must have missed the target completely after 4-x's, from what I read.
blessings
 
hornetguy said:
Ad Topperwein was phenomenal during the early 1900's... Bill Jordan was, as well, during the 50s-70s... Ed McGivern was thought to be the fastest. Then came along Jerry Miculek.... I don't think he's human.

Point shooting is VERY effective.... but it takes a BUNCH of shooting to get there. I watched a video of a guy from PEW something... I am pretty sure it wasn't PEW-PEW Tactical.... maybe Pew Nation? Anyway, he would point and shoot metal gongs at various ranges just effortlessly.... almost like he didn't pay any attention to it.... like he thought about the target he wanted to hit, fired the gun and hit it... it was pretty amazing.
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Is this the guy?
This is good therapy for PTSD when trying to get back to sleep.

Happy Accident
 
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shittim said:
wow! Took lot to get there. I will watch for it.
I have heard it taught that when the sear trips a photo is taken in the brain, and the more good photos the better shot we are. We can't take out the bad ones, we can only put more good ones in.
blessings
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I came up with some Skill Development Drills for my Hand to Hand Combat classes. One involved various length cords/thin ropes lined up random heights, etc. The students practice footwork as they progress in a controlled manner down the line of dangling ropes. We began by pointing the index fingers Left/Right to touch the wood affixed ends. Eventually the students progress on various constructs of that, with more difficulty like swinging each moving target.
This translated to accuracy of punches while moving with stable footwork.

Without actually using ammo, it combined some of the elements of point shooting muscle memory and sight picture. We didn't get into firearms in those classes other than disarming dummy pistols/ rifles, knives and blunt trauma weapons, but these drills would be akin to dry firing with immediate feedback.
 
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Funny how brand loyalty can follow us. One of my first "guns" was a Hubley "45", cap gun of course, first centerfire was a Colt Commander, and am still partial to that frame.
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shittim said:
Like his taste in pistols, looks to be a 2011, double stack 9mm
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That's right. You can find his original video review if you want more details. This video is his 10,000 round follow up review.
He found a company that mass produced what he prefers in that double stack platform. The reason for his choices are interesting.
 
shittim said:
Funny how brand loyalty can follow us. One of my first "guns" was a Hubley "45", cap gun of course, first centerfire was a Colt Commander, and am still partial to that frame.
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I know what you mean.
What an excellent 1911 Commander clone!
That thing is awesome!
It even has a grip safety and slide release.
I love 1911s. Nothing beats the trigger on a good one.

That reminds me of my favorite cap gun when I was a kid. My favorite took the plastic strip caps.
I can't find any pictures online or remember the name stamped on the slide. I just remember that it had a good long double action trigger for a toy gun, probably better than a Glock, but that's not saying much. 😄
It was chrome finished and looked just like a West German Sig 230. It was probably patterned after the classic Walther ppl, but actually resembled the more streamlined Sig. Grip panels wrapped around too. I had to dig that red plug out of the barrel and the only reason I didn't buy the real thing as an adult was because I didn't like .380 ammo. At the time I was sure the Equalizer carried one.
If it were 9mm I'd get one as a HS graduation gift to myself.

Funny thing is that my little brother bought one when he graduated. I had no idea he liked it. He must've claimed my cap gun when I moved out.
His Sig took a very sweet action job.

More recent research reveals that the Eq daily carry was a Walther ppk
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This was a scene where he and his Navy Seal sidekick go into the Triad Chinese gang den to rescue a little boy who was abducted for ransom. The theme, script, direction, acting were better than the best mega million $ movies at the time IMHO.
 
Glock that replaces SIG 320? No grip safety? No thumb safety? Combat Tupperware?
Certainly the rapture must be near!
 
No slide safety either, but they do tend to go bang every time, and not when you don't want.
blessings:)(y)
 
I was just approved for my first suppressor.... i bought a SilencerCo Sparrow for 22 rimfire. I think it will be good for teaching my granddaughters how to shoot...won't have to shout instructions to them...
I'll do a report on it after I try it out...
 
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