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The GAP Theory
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I aways say that even if I was at the bottom of the Ocean, I would not fear because I know that the Lord Jesus would be there to help me. Amen.
Though you fail to biblically answer any of my questions…I love lies? That’s a good one coming from someone who thinks the KJV lies.
. Until you believe the whole truth, the Lord will keep your eyes blinded.
Physical darkness is no reason to read Satan into the text.
You are getting physical darkness and spiritual darkness mixed up.
It "fell" into spiritual darkness - physical darkness existed before it "fell" into spiritual darkness.
At some point in time between the end of the creation week and when he tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
Before which - Lucifer was in the garden of Eden before he fell - as evidenced in the Ezekiel 28 passage...
So, during that time, after creation, he had a throne. Where was his throne? Eden? Wherever he was, he had to ascend above the heights of the clouds to get to heaven.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
This description is given in/with a sense of "wishful thinking" - what Lucifer wanted "in his heart" to become [a] reality. It is not referring to an already (then) existing throne that Lucifer intended/planned to "move" to a "higher" place.
By the way, the Word of God says He made darkness:
1Kgs 8:12 ¶Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Ps 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
Ps 97:2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne. *
Ps 104:20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth. *
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
1Kgs 8:12 ¶Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Ps 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
Ps 97:2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne. *
Ps 104:20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth. *
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
You believe Satan had a throne because the father of all lies said so? Hmmmm...
Wishful thinking? That’s funny. I guess that’s the only thing you can come up with to make it fit your theory.
Those things were made for this 'present' 2nd world earth age, and were not of His original perfect creation at Genesis 1:1 before Lucifer rebelled. See Isaiah 10, and Isaiah 30:30-33 where He points to Satan using "the Assyrian" title. God said the Assyrian was "the rod of Mine anger", meaning God uses Satan against the rebellious for this 'present' world. This is because since Lucifer rebelled and brought in the first sin, and thus death, God uses those things for this present 2nd world earth age. In God's future Eternity, those things will no longer exist.
Lucifer's boast of Isaiah 14, which God is using against him, is about Lucifer's original claim that he would sit on GOD's Throne.
Isa 14:12-15
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
KJV
Lucifer's rebellion in that old world which God destroyed involved a previous 'beast' kingdom...
Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV
That 'beast' kingdom above is not... the one shown later in Revelation 13. That above beast kingdom happened when Lucifer first drew those one third of stars (angels) to earth, at his original first rebellion of old. Notice the number of 'crowns' are different, that one of old had only 7 crowns. The one in Rev.13:1 for the end of this world is to have 10 crowns.
What Lord Jesus is showing us with the above Scripture is a reference to those "nations" under Lucifer before he rebelled, in the old world before Adam and Eve. Those who struggle with this simply do not know about that "world that then was" of 2 Peter 3, and instead follow men's traditions instead of keeping what God's Word shows about this.
Thusly, is Revelation 13 when speaking of the beast that is to have ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns mean a literal beast kingdom over this earth at the end? Yes. The first beast of Rev.13:1 is a beast kingdom. But the Rev.13:11 "another beast", is about the concept of a 'beast king', like what is covered in Revelation 17. Will that Rev.13:1 beast kingdom involve nations on this earth? Yes, which is what the Rev.13:4-8 Scripture specifically points to. And the 'great city' Rev.17 points to that is over it all, i.e., the beast kingdom headquarters for the end, is Jerusalem. That is revealed at the end of Rev.17:18 and at Rev.11:8 of where Lord Jesus Christ was crucified.
Rev.9:11 reveals that Satan is the 'king' over the bottomless pit. Might he have been a type of king over those Rev.12:3 beast nations? Possibly, but that's really only speculation. The important matter is to mark what God said about Lucifer wanting to be The KING, sitting in GOD's Throne. This is what today's world is being prepared for with the future Rev.13:1 beast kingdom. God is going to allow Satan to come to our present world and sit upon the throne in Jerusalem in place of Christ (2 Thess.2).
As I said before on this thread, knowing about that old world before Lucifer rebelled in coveting God's Throne is not a Salvation issue. Yet knowing about it can help explain many things written in God's Word.
I think that the earth, as all terrestrial objects of mass were formed from the inside out.
While I do think that the earth was formed in layers as the fusion of the EMW's produced the elements that begin encapsulating it under the elements of matter.
The separation of the continents resulted as the earth expanded outward. For example, take a ballon and blow it up about a quarter of the way and then coat the surface with a flour paste so it sticks to it. The continue blowing the balloon up. As it increases in volume the flour paste begins cracking into segments and the more you blow the balloon up, the greater the distance the greater the separation.
The surface of the earth obtained its form as the frozen waters began turning into gases under the exterior surface of the waters due to the radiant heat from the sun. FYI, the term waters in Genesis is referring to gases and not just H2O. Space is cold and elements freeze into a solid state at extremely cold temperature, hence the reason for the firmament in the midst of the waters. While the frozen gases on the surface would remain frozen initially, as the radiant heat began warming up the elements under the surface they begin changing into a gaseous state, which eventually formed into our atmosphere.
It case you didn't know, most mountains run in a southern to norther direction. Since the earth turns east to west, if the force that causes the earth to rotate is the magnetic field inside the earth then the greatests pressure is upon the earth's surface is going to be that large bodies of frozen waters that would have the least resistant to moving. .
Anyways, might be a case of having too much time on my hands.
I was taught in Christian college that the Gap Theory says that there is a gap in history between the first two verses of the Bible to account for the evidence of ageing in God's creation, which began in verse one. That creation was destroyed, and God made a new one beginning in Genesis 1:2. I don't think there is any foundation in the Bible for such a theory.
My take on the age of the earth is that since Bishop Ussher figured the number of years strictly based on the genealogies in the Bible, he assumed the modern historical method of one year to one year. But the Bible's history is often very different. For example, there are many "gaps" in Matthew's genealogy from Abraham to Jesus: Matthew 1:17--"So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations."
Anyone who studies the number of years involved can see that Matthew is working on a different time-scale than modern historians do. It's pretty obvious that Matthew may be using the number seven for his basis, not the literal number of years and generations. The Bible's history is preaching history that was written by the prophets and apostles to make spiritual points to their audiences. Similarly, Moses skips generations in his Genesis genealogies.
Furthermore, the "days" of creation in Genesis one may have been a lot longer than 24 hours, since the sun wasn't created until the fourth day, for example.
I don't think that we need to get all tied up in knots about such speculations. Let's concentrate more on the knowable matters centering on Jesus instead of the speculative ones.