The final statement of Brad Sigmon, executed in South Carolina 3/7/25

[rrcn]

I ran across an article on my newsfeed this morning which quoted a convicted murderer's final statement (I'll put the link below). In some ways it makes sense, this is the statement which was read by his attorney:

"I want my closing statement to be one of love and a calling to my fellow Christians to help us end the death penalty. An eye for an eye was used as justification to the jury for seeking the death penalty. At that time, I was too ignorant to know how wrong that was," Sigmon said.
He continued, "Why? Because we no longer live under the Old Testament law but now live under the New Testament."

It occurred to me that the Old Covenant argument appears many times in our chat conversations regarding various aspects of the balance between law and grace.
The Old Testament is clear about this:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

The New Testament has the words of Jesus referring to the scriptures above:

[Mat 5:38 KJV] 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
[Mat 5:39-45 KJV] 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Here is what James had to say:
[Jas 2:8-13 KJV] 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Jesus also said:
[Mat 19:17-19 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Was this convicted murderer right?


https://www.newsweek.com/brad-keith-sigmon-final-words-south-carolina-execution-2039359

 

[GWH]

I ran across an article on my newsfeed this morning which quoted a convicted murderer's final statement (I'll put the link below). In some ways it makes sense, this is the statement which was read by his attorney:

"I want my closing statement to be one of love and a calling to my fellow Christians to help us end the death penalty. An eye for an eye was used as justification to the jury for seeking the death penalty. At that time, I was too ignorant to know how wrong that was," Sigmon said.
He continued, "Why? Because we no longer live under the Old Testament law but now live under the New Testament."

It occurred to me that the Old Covenant argument appears many times in our chat conversations regarding various aspects of the balance between law and grace.
The Old Testament is clear about this:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

The New Testament has the words of Jesus referring to the scriptures above:

[Mat 5:38 KJV] 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
[Mat 5:39-45 KJV] 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Here is what James had to say:
[Jas 2:8-13 KJV] 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Jesus also said:
[Mat 19:17-19 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Was this convicted murderer right?

https://www.newsweek.com/brad-keith-sigmon-final-words-south-carolina-execution-2039359

My idea for applying GW regarding forgiveness to the criminal justice system in this country (U.S.) is for special federal courts to assess a monetary restitution and identify the victim(s) for every felony crime, including murder. The punishment for people convicted of crimes would be to work for the minimum wage ten hours per day and six days per week. Their wages would be garnisheed 100% and sent to their victim(s) until the restitution was paid. Of course, no one could pay the penalty from other funds, so the length of the sentence is determined automatically. This system eliminates plea-bargaining, parole, innocent by reason of insanity and death row. It does not eliminate the need for lawyers, but their role would be changed to determining guilt and the just consequence/restitution. Anyone who intentionally withheld information pertinent to establishing the truth and a fair penalty would be culpable of a crime.

The intent of this system is to maximize the probability of reforming criminals. The assessed restitution would be minimal on the assumption that the prisoner would reform until their behavior indicates otherwise. To the initial restitution would be added a uniform (system-wide) surcharge (based on the length of the sentence) to partially recover the costs involved in rehabilitating a prisoner: food, lodging, job training, counseling, supervision, etc. Ten percent of the surcharge would be put in a savings account, which the prisoner would be able to access when he/she is discharged. The living situation would approximate as close as practical what the prisoner would need to function as a law-abiding citizen, including an efficiency apartment type of cell, so that the prisoner would do his/her own chores such as meal preparation and laundry. If a prisoner refused to work, then he/she would not be paid and thus the sentence would be lengthened.

Prisoners who failed to reform but instead damaged property, injured people or committed some other illegal act would have the restitution for that crime added to their original sentence. They may be viewed as committing suicide by degrees. When their misbehavior results in a sentence of 100 years, they would be allowed to complete their suicide or be executed. Of course, deciding on a crime’s just restitution for the myriad extenuating circumstances would require the wisdom of Solomon, as it does in the present system.

 

[PAC-fit]

"I want my closing statement to be one of love and a calling to my fellow Christians to help us end the death penalty, , He continued, "Why? Because we no longer live under the Old Testament law but now live under the New Testament."

13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

CP proponents can stretch and twist into a pretzel all they want, I've seen too many Wardens trying to shed his own quench against the Spirit, while himself trying to council DR inmates. Are they blind? As to this citation of ''judgement'' from James, it is still judgement of ''death'' from the OT, and judgement of ''paid'' (Lk 12:59) punishment out of the NT. Pauls' diatribe of ''worthy of death'' (Rm1:32) for us to use against those who take another's life, thereby cancels out all resulting references of ''murderers'' for whom Christ died. If one wishes to remain loyal that far to the extent of salvation, the judgement awarded to the perpetrator of taking another life should himself be incarcerated according to the NT judgement of life without parole, since you cannot pay for someone's life. As it stands, the courts and legislator have in many places become the serial-killer.

 

[Hakawaka]

Im all for the death penalty. There are lots of unrepentant criminals who have never been and will never be reformed. Lets stop wasting tax payer money on these people and get em outta here, lets give closure to the victims and make the world just a tad bit safer. I am grateful the courts of this world dont operate on a "Turn the other cheek" principle. I believe that following that has destroyed Europe, my earthly home.

What Jesus was speaking about was PERSONAL ISSUES, if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek, dont repay insult for insult. All these are talking about individuals, not states. There is no sermon Jesus did that gives advice to GOVERNMENTS or NATIONS. Its teaching individuals. So its a nation killing mistake to apply personal teaching to government matters.

Imagine if we just forgave all the murderers and rapists of this world? No punishment because "hey, we're all sinners anyway".. That would be a toxic and horrible world to live in. And I am glad we have some sort of laws protecting people.

 

[NightTwister]

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. -- Romans 13:1-5 ESV

They bring the judgment on themselves, including Capital Punishment. Unfortunately our system perverts that punishment with decades of appeals and delays.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

Was this convicted murderer right?

Not in my opinion. Justice was served by the State, in his case. I for one, would like to see a lot more justice carried out.

 

[bluejean_bible]

Unfortunately, Brad Simon's last words were self serving as he played the victim to his sentence.
His victims suffered horribly before death greed them from his savagery.

Thou shalt not murder is a law of God in both old and new testaments.

Mr.Simon's was convicted of the baseball bludgeoning double murder of the parents of his ex-girlfriend.

He was executed by firing squad.

He had a reason to be against the eye for an eye justice system. Bullets are a more swift method than are baseball bats.

 

[homwardbound]

I ran across an article on my newsfeed this morning which quoted a convicted murderer's final statement (I'll put the link below). In some ways it makes sense, this is the statement which was read by his attorney:

"I want my closing statement to be one of love and a calling to my fellow Christians to help us end the death penalty. An eye for an eye was used as justification to the jury for seeking the death penalty. At that time, I was too ignorant to know how wrong that was," Sigmon said.
He continued, "Why? Because we no longer live under the Old Testament law but now live under the New Testament."

It occurred to me that the Old Covenant argument appears many times in our chat conversations regarding various aspects of the balance between law and grace.
The Old Testament is clear about this:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

The New Testament has the words of Jesus referring to the scriptures above:

[Mat 5:38 KJV] 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
[Mat 5:39-45 KJV] 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Here is what James had to say:
[Jas 2:8-13 KJV] 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Jesus also said:
[Mat 19:17-19 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Was this convicted murderer right?


https://www.newsweek.com/brad-keith-sigmon-final-words-south-carolina-execution-2039359

God knows, and we the people do as we see to do, whether right or wrong, do we not?
Yes. we, at least I do and each person who says they are right in whatever they do or not do are right to them. Others claim differently and are right to them too. Wow, woe is me how about you?

Therefore who is right, who is truly Good? Only God Father as said by Jesus you think? I think
God alone as Son said that be the truth. Are we to let others go and others not go? So many different discussions over I am right and others are wrong attitudes of flesh nature, playing God.
I see Ecclesiastes a time to let go and a time to not let go, a time to do and a time to not do, and all is vanity is it not?
Unless what? God Father and Son as Won for you leads thee. Will you agree with the Disciples to be dead to yourself, (Acts 17:28) the first born you and be new in true Love of 1 Cor 13:4-7 for you? Which Father imputes in his kids, those that let go of themselves in everything as the woman of Luke 21 did, gave her all is the connection. Trusting God to get her through it all, will not do wrong to anyone and is not to get rewarded for it, in her thought(s). God does that, not seen at first, yet continue and one will see it, Thank you Father and Son as Won (One) for us all to be new in you too.
What is right is right, what is wrong is wrong, and we each personally know this truth, and so one either does it or not and each personally know this truth within them, along with God who is for them to see new in love to all, thank you
Because right is right and wrong is wrong period to me at least, thank you

 

[maxwel]

Actions have consequences:
The forgiveness we receive from Christ is for our soul, it restores our relationship with God.
This often has little to do with ordinary earthly consequences for our actions - In BOTH TESTAMENTS our earthly actions have earthly consequences.
(Sometimes God is merciful and mitigates some of our earthly consequences, but not always - and He neither promises nor owes us such mitigation.)

I feel the death penalty is perfectly just for extreme crimes.
I do however have a real concern about the death penalty: although I feel the penalty is just, I'm not sure how much I trust the state to carry out this penalty in a just way.

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[bluejean_bible]

Actions have consequences:
The forgiveness we receive from Christ is for our soul, it restores our relationship with God.
This often has little to do with ordinary earthly consequences for our actions - In BOTH TESTAMENTS our earthly actions have earthly consequences.
(Sometimes God is merciful and mitigates some of our earthly consequences, but not always - and He neither promises nor owes us such mitigation.)

I feel the death penalty is perfectly just for extreme crimes.
I do however have a real concern about the death penalty: although I feel the penalty is just, I'm not sure how much I trust the state to carry out this penalty in a just way.

.

Well put .
Of all the forms of executing sentence, I feel firing squad is the only humane option.

And yes, I agree there has to be serious reform in the court system when there are innocent, exonerated, former DR inmates out there,and the DP being is at stake for a defendent.

 

[Gideon300]

I ran across an article on my newsfeed this morning which quoted a convicted murderer's final statement (I'll put the link below). In some ways it makes sense, this is the statement which was read by his attorney:

"I want my closing statement to be one of love and a calling to my fellow Christians to help us end the death penalty. An eye for an eye was used as justification to the jury for seeking the death penalty. At that time, I was too ignorant to know how wrong that was," Sigmon said.
He continued, "Why? Because we no longer live under the Old Testament law but now live under the New Testament."

It occurred to me that the Old Covenant argument appears many times in our chat conversations regarding various aspects of the balance between law and grace.
The Old Testament is clear about this:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

The New Testament has the words of Jesus referring to the scriptures above:

[Mat 5:38 KJV] 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[Exo 21:24-27 KJV] 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. 26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. 27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
[Mat 5:39-45 KJV] 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Here is what James had to say:
[Jas 2:8-13 KJV] 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Jesus also said:
[Mat 19:17-19 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Was this convicted murderer right?


https://www.newsweek.com/brad-keith-sigmon-final-words-south-carolina-execution-2039359

Tough question. In principle, I am not against the death penalty. There are some people who have no conscience and who have forfeited the right to live by their taking of another's life. However, the law and the application of the law is flawed in the extreme. Too many innocent people have been imprisoned or executed. The punishment for the guilty too often varies, not according to culpability, but as to how good a lawyer they can afford.

A case in point. Single mother applying for a job leaves her child 10 metres away in a shopping centre. She gets 30 days jail. The child of a rich couple shows signs of cocaine in the blood stream. Not much, but its obvious the parents are doing coke. Penalty? Nothing. It's unjust and feeds the "them and us" bitterness and resentment that poisons relationships in society.

As to the Law of Moses, it does not apply to secular societies. Would you like to reintroduce stoning for adultery? How about killing rebellious children? Don't forget stoning people to death for picking up firewood on the Sabbath. The Western world is rife with witchcraft. idolatry, fornication and all kinds of sin. God's judgement will come soon enough.

State sanctioned executions are not murder, neither is killing in defence of the nation by military forces.

 

[Kroogz]

Im all for the death penalty. There are lots of unrepentant criminals who have never been and will never be reformed. Lets stop wasting tax payer money on these people and get em outta here, lets give closure to the victims and make the world just a tad bit safer. I am grateful the courts of this world dont operate on a "Turn the other cheek" principle. I believe that following that has destroyed Europe, my earthly home.

What Jesus was speaking about was PERSONAL ISSUES, if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek, dont repay insult for insult. All these are talking about individuals, not states. There is no sermon Jesus did that gives advice to GOVERNMENTS or NATIONS. Its teaching individuals. So its a nation killing mistake to apply personal teaching to government matters.

Imagine if we just forgave all the murderers and rapists of this world? No punishment because "hey, we're all sinners anyway".. That would be a toxic and horrible world to live in. And I am glad we have some sort of laws protecting people.

If we live by the sword(criminal) we shall die by the sword(justice)

 

[Gideon300]

Im all for the death penalty. There are lots of unrepentant criminals who have never been and will never be reformed. Lets stop wasting tax payer money on these people and get em outta here, lets give closure to the victims and make the world just a tad bit safer. I am grateful the courts of this world dont operate on a "Turn the other cheek" principle. I believe that following that has destroyed Europe, my earthly home.

What Jesus was speaking about was PERSONAL ISSUES, if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek, dont repay insult for insult. All these are talking about individuals, not states. There is no sermon Jesus did that gives advice to GOVERNMENTS or NATIONS. Its teaching individuals. So its a nation killing mistake to apply personal teaching to government matters.

Imagine if we just forgave all the murderers and rapists of this world? No punishment because "hey, we're all sinners anyway".. That would be a toxic and horrible world to live in. And I am glad we have some sort of laws protecting people.

I agree except that the "justice" system is patently unjust at times.

 

[Hakawaka]

I agree except that the "justice" system is patently unjust at times.

I am assuming you are american, it really is. In america everything is a show, its the fakest country on earth. From politics to sports all the way to the way a court works, its a reality TV show.

 

[PAC-fit]

Any other day of the week, it would be, ''My thoughts are not your thoughts'' says the Lord. Where did that go?

I feel the death penalty is perfectly just for extreme crimes.

There are some people, , who have forfeited the right to live by their taking of another's life.

So, it's no longer ''Thy will'', but, 'my will' be done! That right? So, you see my invitation don't you? One that leaves reasoning this out with God's revenge and just punishment. Where in the NT will you find God carrying out His own justice upon those who take another's life? Babylon.

''In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.''(Rev 18:24)​

And you aren't capable of carrying out His level of revenge (v21) upon so much bloodshed. Oh I see, you have feelings of 'this level of heinous crime requires a separate punishment.' Really? Then what happened to the Spirit's all-inclusive precept, ,

''For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.'' (Jms 2:10)​

Yep, you still hanging in there? There's that nasty left hook by our Lord against canal thinking, , I'm also guilty of the thing your wanting to take out on everyone who lifts his hand upon another living soul, purely by association of verse 10.

“He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” (Jn 8:7)​

If all that is the case, I can't impose death on someone even if for justice because of my sin, unless I want to say in contrary fashion, ,

I feel the death penalty is perfectly just

Life for life? Impossible to repay.

 

[Gideon300]

Any other day of the week, it would be, ''My thoughts are not your thoughts'' says the Lord. Where did that go?

So, it's no longer ''Thy will'', but, 'my will' be done! That right? So, you see my invitation don't you? One that leaves reasoning this out with God's revenge and just punishment. Where in the NT will you find God carrying out His own justice upon those who take another's life? Babylon.

''In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.''(Rev 18:24)​

And you aren't capable of carrying out His level of revenge (v21) upon so much bloodshed. Oh I see, you have feelings of 'this level of heinous crime requires a separate punishment.' Really? Then what happened to the Spirit's all-inclusive precept, ,

''For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.'' (Jms 2:10)​

Yep, you still hanging in there? There's that nasty left hook by our Lord against canal thinking, , I'm also guilty of the thing your wanting to take out on everyone who lifts his hand upon another living soul, purely by association of verse 10.

“He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” (Jn 8:7)​

If all that is the case, I can't impose death on someone even if for justice because of my sin, unless I want to say in contrary fashion, ,
Life for life? Impossible to repay.

"…For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the one in authority? Then do what is right, and you will have his approval. For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God’s servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer. Therefore it is necessary to submit to authority, not only to avoid punishment, but also as a matter of conscience.…" Romans 13:3-5

The Roman sword was the instrument of the state to carry out capital punishment. Paul warned the church that Rome was willing, able and entitled to execute offenders. Some Jews rejected civil authorities and refused to pay taxes, claiming allegiance only to God. Paul was pointing out that obedience to God includes obeying the authorities. That is true only to a point. If the law of the land outlaws preaching the gospel, then we should ignore it. But we should obey the authorities unless there is good reason not to obey.

 

[Gideon300]

I am assuming you are american, it really is. In america everything is a show, its the fakest country on earth. From politics to sports all the way to the way a court works, its a reality TV show.

You assume incorrectly. However, I'm old enough to have seen injustice where I live as well as in other nations. The difference is here that there is no capital punishment.

 

[PAC-fit]

But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God’s servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer.

As Paul also did with the beast (thugs) he likely slew at Ephesus (1 Cor 15:32) to only conclude, ''No profit''. But, the soldier and civil authority amongst the people have real-time sanctioning from Rm 13 to take swift action if in fact that perpetrator is heedless. In that case, ''Mercy triumphs over judgement'' who wielded no mercy (while we were dead in trespasses Christ forgave us too) before, but had the sense to back off. By God, and if it was godly authority at the time, that authority would find NO justification for the halls of justice to strike from within the new covenant. Only for those maintainers of public tranquility.

 

[rrcn]

My thoughts is that in the long years in solitary confinement the Holy Spirit was able to work with this man, I think it is notable that his last statement was of a Christian nature.

Never give up on Jesus:
[Heb 7:25 KJV] 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[bluejean_bible]

Any other day of the week, it would be, ''My thoughts are not your thoughts'' says the Lord. Where did that go?

So, it's no longer ''Thy will'', but, 'my will' be done! That right? So, you see my invitation don't you? One that leaves reasoning this out with God's revenge and just punishment. Where in the NT will you find God carrying out His own justice upon those who take another's life? Babylon.

''In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.''(Rev 18:24)​

And you aren't capable of carrying out His level of revenge (v21) upon so much bloodshed. Oh I see, you have feelings of 'this level of heinous crime requires a separate punishment.' Really? Then what happened to the Spirit's all-inclusive precept, ,

''For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.'' (Jms 2:10)​

Yep, you still hanging in there? There's that nasty left hook by our Lord against canal thinking, , I'm also guilty of the thing your wanting to take out on everyone who lifts his hand upon another living soul, purely by association of verse 10.

“He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” (Jn 8:7)​

If all that is the case, I can't impose death on someone even if for justice because of my sin, unless I want to say in contrary fashion, ,
Life for life? Impossible to repay.

God executed his death penalty all throughout the old testament. God even engaged his chosen people to do so on his behalf.

Unless or until the human individual is led by God to his salvation,every person born is facing his eternal death penalty in Hell. Because we are also born dead in our sin nature.

Jesus was executed under the Roman death penalty. Because the Jewish leaders in the temple could not enforce their own death penalty upon him.

This thread discusses a man who took a baseball bat and beat the parents of his ex girlfriend to death. Imagine what is lacking in a person's conscience and moral fiber so to do that. Beat a woman to death with a bat. And then went on to beat her husband to death.

Then he whines about being shot to death as the penalty for his crime of double murder.

When,had he been given a life without parole sentence he would have been a threat to everyone in prison. Staff and inmates alike.

And he would have been let to live using the tax dollars of his victims surviving family and friends. Feeding the man who beat your mommy and daddy to death with a baseball bat for the rest of his life. Decades!

He knew what he was planning. He followed through and knew what he was doing with every swing. He didn't stop until they were destroyed at his hand.

He wanted to destroy his ex. So he did that be destroying her parents.

Who could imagine what those two poor souls went through. God rest them in peace.

Brad Sigmon issued the death penalty with his two hands and a baseball bat.
In a state where he knew the DP was law.

He chose to be executed with the first swing of the bat in his hands.

And when the firing squad pulled the triggers a single bullet struck his heart. He was dead instantly and before he hit the ground.

How long did it take his victims to perish with each strike of his bat?

Now, Brad will answer to God.
He earned that too.