The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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Ye is them, but doesn't limit it to them. In other words, ye are the body of Christ could refer to any body of believers. 1 Corinthians 12 shows it is God who puts all the believers into the body.
There are both individual bodies in various locations, and, corporately, all believers are the body of Christ.
There are both individual bodies in various locations, and, corporately, all believers are the body of Christ.
Prologue: - Except those who worship the beast in the future (Revelation 13:8) (Revelation 17:8), everyone’s name was written in the Lamb’s Book of Life since the foundation of the world. It is only by sin, that a person’s name is blotted out whereby they need to be born again, etcetera so that their name is restored.
#1. The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Jesus Christ when we are first saved. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...” (1 Corinthians 12:13). The head of the body is Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:18). This includes both the saints in the OT and the NT. All believers have to abide in Christ in order to have life or salvation (1 John 5:12). Note: The first half of 1 Corinthians 12:13 talks about the baptism into the body of Christ (Which includes being baptized into Christ) by the Spirit. The second half of 1 Corinthians 12:13 talks about Pentecost in the fact that believers were able to drink of one Spirit (Which is why the chapter talks about the gifts of the Spirit).
#2. Jesus baptizes us into the Holy Ghost, “he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost..” (Matthew 3:11). This is the downpayment of our inheritance (Ephesians 1:14). This is the birth of the church, which happened at Pentecost. Before Pentecost: Only select chosen kings and prophets had the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit. Only at Pentecost did believers as a whole receive the permanent in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit. “And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!” (Numbers 11:29). In the New Covenant: Receiving the Holy Spirit is the down-payment of our inheritance.
#3. Currently at this point in time: The Bride of Christ does not exist yet. The marriage of the faithful virgins to Jesus Christ is still yet a future event. This will happen sometimes after the Catching Up Event mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (Commonly known as the Rapture by Christians). This “Catching Up Event” can take place at any moment now prior to the Tribulation or in the first half of the Tribulation.
#4. Lesson at the Wedding in Matthew 22:1-14 (Note: While this Parable is called the Parable of the Wedding Feast, the feast does not take place in this parable, but it will happen later in Revelation). The guests are simply called to witness the wedding at this point of the Parable). However, the problem here is that certain believers did not have on a wedding garment. Meaning, they were not faithful to Jesus and they are cast out of Christ’s Kingdom.
#5. In the Middle of the Tribulation is the gathering of the remaining Elect (Described in the Olivet Discourse). This is a call of remaining Elect after the return from The Wedding: "And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately." (Luke 12:36). Meaning, angels will gather the remaining elect believers after the wedding of Christ took place.
#6. The 2nd Coming of Christ with Him destroying the armies of this world is parabolic for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb mentioned in Revelation. It’s not an actual physical feast in Heaven as many falsely assume.
#7. Select OT saints who were given the Land Promise will be resurrected during the 1,000 year reign of Christ (a.k.a the Millennium). All saints who were killed during the Tribulation period by the Antichrist or the Beast will also live again to live under the rule of Jesus Christ in the Millennium.
#8. The one and only Judgment for both believers and unbelievers on the New Earth. After the Judgment, New Jerusalem will come down from out of Heaven. The saints will live in the city of New Jerusalem on the New Earth, and the devil, his minions, and the wicked will face destruction. Jesus will make all things new and there will be no more death, sorrow, crying, etcetera. It’s a happy ending.
#1. The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Jesus Christ when we are first saved. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...” (1 Corinthians 12:13). The head of the body is Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:18). This includes both the saints in the OT and the NT. All believers have to abide in Christ in order to have life or salvation (1 John 5:12). Note: The first half of 1 Corinthians 12:13 talks about the baptism into the body of Christ (Which includes being baptized into Christ) by the Spirit. The second half of 1 Corinthians 12:13 talks about Pentecost in the fact that believers were able to drink of one Spirit (Which is why the chapter talks about the gifts of the Spirit).
#2. Jesus baptizes us into the Holy Ghost, “he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost..” (Matthew 3:11). This is the downpayment of our inheritance (Ephesians 1:14). This is the birth of the church, which happened at Pentecost. Before Pentecost: Only select chosen kings and prophets had the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit. Only at Pentecost did believers as a whole receive the permanent in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit. “And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!” (Numbers 11:29). In the New Covenant: Receiving the Holy Spirit is the down-payment of our inheritance.
#3. Currently at this point in time: The Bride of Christ does not exist yet. The marriage of the faithful virgins to Jesus Christ is still yet a future event. This will happen sometimes after the Catching Up Event mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (Commonly known as the Rapture by Christians). This “Catching Up Event” can take place at any moment now prior to the Tribulation or in the first half of the Tribulation.
#4. Lesson at the Wedding in Matthew 22:1-14 (Note: While this Parable is called the Parable of the Wedding Feast, the feast does not take place in this parable, but it will happen later in Revelation). The guests are simply called to witness the wedding at this point of the Parable). However, the problem here is that certain believers did not have on a wedding garment. Meaning, they were not faithful to Jesus and they are cast out of Christ’s Kingdom.
#5. In the Middle of the Tribulation is the gathering of the remaining Elect (Described in the Olivet Discourse). This is a call of remaining Elect after the return from The Wedding: "And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately." (Luke 12:36). Meaning, angels will gather the remaining elect believers after the wedding of Christ took place.
#6. The 2nd Coming of Christ with Him destroying the armies of this world is parabolic for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb mentioned in Revelation. It’s not an actual physical feast in Heaven as many falsely assume.
#7. Select OT saints who were given the Land Promise will be resurrected during the 1,000 year reign of Christ (a.k.a the Millennium). All saints who were killed during the Tribulation period by the Antichrist or the Beast will also live again to live under the rule of Jesus Christ in the Millennium.
#8. The one and only Judgment for both believers and unbelievers on the New Earth. After the Judgment, New Jerusalem will come down from out of Heaven. The saints will live in the city of New Jerusalem on the New Earth, and the devil, his minions, and the wicked will face destruction. Jesus will make all things new and there will be no more death, sorrow, crying, etcetera. It’s a happy ending.
The body of Christ are all faithful genuine believers throughout time (OT and NT).
The church are those believers who received the New Covenant promise of the Holy Spirit beginning at Pentecost.
The bride of Christ are those believers who were faithful and raptured or caught up to meet Christ in the air (i.e., the dead in Christ will rise first, and then they which remain and are alive will be caught up). This is all believers faithful to Christ throughout time before the Rapture or the “Catching Up Event” described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
I believe that faithful believers who were beheaded for Christ during the Tribulation will be the faithful guests (who are not cast out of the wedding) who will bear witness to the Wedding of those believers who were Raptured or Caught Up.
Those who were beheaded for Christ during the Tribulation would also be a part of the church, seeing that they also can receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, too (Just like us). However, these believers who were killed by the Antichrist or Beast during the Tribulation are not the Bride of Christ. They are simply the wedding guests.
Note: There is a last call for believers to the wedding in the Middle of the Tribulation before this slaughter of great number of believers happens during the Tribulation period. This is described in the Olivet Discourse. They also are going to be guests at the wedding and not the Bride (See again Luke 12:36).
The church are those believers who received the New Covenant promise of the Holy Spirit beginning at Pentecost.
The bride of Christ are those believers who were faithful and raptured or caught up to meet Christ in the air (i.e., the dead in Christ will rise first, and then they which remain and are alive will be caught up). This is all believers faithful to Christ throughout time before the Rapture or the “Catching Up Event” described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
I believe that faithful believers who were beheaded for Christ during the Tribulation will be the faithful guests (who are not cast out of the wedding) who will bear witness to the Wedding of those believers who were Raptured or Caught Up.
Those who were beheaded for Christ during the Tribulation would also be a part of the church, seeing that they also can receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, too (Just like us). However, these believers who were killed by the Antichrist or Beast during the Tribulation are not the Bride of Christ. They are simply the wedding guests.
Note: There is a last call for believers to the wedding in the Middle of the Tribulation before this slaughter of great number of believers happens during the Tribulation period. This is described in the Olivet Discourse. They also are going to be guests at the wedding and not the Bride (See again Luke 12:36).
Precious friend, I apologize; I thought I double-checked them:
"Fixed", correcting the error of my ways:
Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 1)?
Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 2)?
Please enjoy studying them:
"Fixed", correcting the error of my ways:
Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 1)?
Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 2)?
Please enjoy studying them:
I am not new to this discussion. I am pretty confident in what I believe on the matter, and I believe Mid Acts Dispensationalism or a Sin and Still Be Saved Type Belief (on some level) cannot be supported by Scripture. If I decide to engage in the far future, I would most likely be mentioning a few of your verse references from each of these threads and explain them with other verses.
Side Note:
While I do recognize differences before the cross and after, I do see things that remain the same, as well.
As much as I wish otherwise, I believe most believers today are not going to make it (unless they repent). The great revival that accept these truths in Scripture (I speak of) will happen in the Tribulation period when they are being beheaded for Jesus and His Word by the hands of the Antichrist or Beast. Most today either reject a perfect Bible (which can potentially lead a person astray), or they justify sin in some way (i.e., they turn God’s grace into a license to sin instead of accepting the truth that God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, etc.). This all goes back to the Garden and the two major lies fed to us by the serpent. But again, I do not want to debate this here because it would be too time consuming and at conflict with my goals for my Lord at this time in my life.
May the Lord Jesus and His good ways shine upon you and your family today.
Side Note:
While I do recognize differences before the cross and after, I do see things that remain the same, as well.
As much as I wish otherwise, I believe most believers today are not going to make it (unless they repent). The great revival that accept these truths in Scripture (I speak of) will happen in the Tribulation period when they are being beheaded for Jesus and His Word by the hands of the Antichrist or Beast. Most today either reject a perfect Bible (which can potentially lead a person astray), or they justify sin in some way (i.e., they turn God’s grace into a license to sin instead of accepting the truth that God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, etc.). This all goes back to the Garden and the two major lies fed to us by the serpent. But again, I do not want to debate this here because it would be too time consuming and at conflict with my goals for my Lord at this time in my life.
May the Lord Jesus and His good ways shine upon you and your family today.
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No. All references to the body of Christ is the one and only corporate body of Christ.
Ephesians 3:6 says,
“That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
This verse is referring to the sole corporate body of Christ because it is referring to how the Gentiles are made to be fellow heirs of the same body. If you read back at the end of Ephesians 2 this is clear in context.
Nothing is Scripture teaches about how there are local bodies of Christ.
Ephesians 4:4 would not be true if you believe it is referring to the local body at Ephesus. It would no longer be one body but many bodies. The book or church you go to that teaches this is not allowing you to accept the plain reading of the Bible on this matter.
Ephesians 3:6 says,
“That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
This verse is referring to the sole corporate body of Christ because it is referring to how the Gentiles are made to be fellow heirs of the same body. If you read back at the end of Ephesians 2 this is clear in context.
Nothing is Scripture teaches about how there are local bodies of Christ.
Ephesians 4:4 would not be true if you believe it is referring to the local body at Ephesus. It would no longer be one body but many bodies. The book or church you go to that teaches this is not allowing you to accept the plain reading of the Bible on this matter.
There is also of course the entity of all redeemed as one body in the end.. as the New Jerusalem in heaven. So that is in Ephesians.
But.. an ecclessia or ekklessia is an assembly. A congregation. Every believer does not congregate.. or assemble.
Anyway.. enough on this. I will agree to disagree. Back to the topic of the King James uh?
But.. an ecclessia or ekklessia is an assembly. A congregation. Every believer does not congregate.. or assemble.
Anyway.. enough on this. I will agree to disagree. Back to the topic of the King James uh?
There is so much more to the bible than is the KJV better than the 1611 A.V.KJB or is the American standard version better than the New Living version. None of the are perfectly translated, how bot we look at what the bible says about; and you name the subject the first world age, were Adam and Eve the first people created Just what was the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, What about know learn the parable of the fig tree, or when you see the desolation standing in the Holy place spoken by the prophet Dainel let the reader understand or which of the 7 hurches in Revelation was God pleased with and why.
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The Christian theological concept of an "invisible" Christian Church is reference to His true elect who are known only to God.
Meaning, the visible church comprises all those who claim to be or identify as followers of Christ. The invisible church comprises all those who really are followers of Christ.
Meaning, the visible church comprises all those who claim to be or identify as followers of Christ. The invisible church comprises all those who really are followers of Christ.
It’s all good. We can agree to disagree.
To help you understand where I am coming from: I see this as visible and invisible.
The true global church is invisible or the true elect of God that He only knows.
I see the existence of local visible churches mentioned in Scripture as a reference to the gathered assembly of believers but that does not mean they are all a part of the global invisible church. For example, we see in
Revelation 3:4 say “Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.” This was among those in Sardis who were not right with God and they were told to repent.
I will also leave you with Ephesians 1:22-23, as well.
Blessings be unto you in the Lord, my friend.
To help you understand where I am coming from: I see this as visible and invisible.
The true global church is invisible or the true elect of God that He only knows.
I see the existence of local visible churches mentioned in Scripture as a reference to the gathered assembly of believers but that does not mean they are all a part of the global invisible church. For example, we see in
Revelation 3:4 say “Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.” This was among those in Sardis who were not right with God and they were told to repent.
I will also leave you with Ephesians 1:22-23, as well.
Blessings be unto you in the Lord, my friend.
Also, see this article here:
https://revelationlogic.com/articles/the-messages-to-the-seven-churches/
https://revelationlogic.com/articles/the-messages-to-the-seven-churches/
I have never seen KJB believers fight over which King James Bible edition to use. Most of them believe that either the 1611 version, the 1769 (Authorized Version), or the Pure Cambridge Edition (circa. 1900) are all fine to use.
American Standard Version is the update of the Revised Version by Westcott and Hort and their committee.
Go to Archive.org and search for the Revised Version. Look at the half title page. It says it was the version set forth in 1611AD. This is a lie. But we all know today that all Modern Bibles are based on the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, which are shorter manuscripts than the manuscripts that underly the King James Bible (Textus Receptus). Hort called the Textus Receptus villainous and vile. So the point here is that Westcott and Hort lied. Also, the Revised Version had a Unitarian on their committee. George Vance Smith. Westcott and Hort threatened to quit if he was removed from the team. Westcott and Hort held to heretical beliefs. If you were to look at them, you will see a denial of the Blood Atonement, a denial of the Substitutionary Atonement and more. Westcott was into the communion of the saints.
See this short video here:
This is a Paraphrase.
Do you want the paraphrased words of God or do you want the actual words of God?
Which Bible? How can you trust what the Bible says on such matters if it has errors in it?
In short, you or some scholar becomes the ultimate authority deciding what God said and did not say.
In the Garden, the serpent questioned Eve about the validity of God’s command.
This is what goes on in the world of Textual Criticism Or the Modern Bible movement. They question God’s words by saying that there are errors in His word today.
American Standard Version is the update of the Revised Version by Westcott and Hort and their committee.
Go to Archive.org and search for the Revised Version. Look at the half title page. It says it was the version set forth in 1611AD. This is a lie. But we all know today that all Modern Bibles are based on the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, which are shorter manuscripts than the manuscripts that underly the King James Bible (Textus Receptus). Hort called the Textus Receptus villainous and vile. So the point here is that Westcott and Hort lied. Also, the Revised Version had a Unitarian on their committee. George Vance Smith. Westcott and Hort threatened to quit if he was removed from the team. Westcott and Hort held to heretical beliefs. If you were to look at them, you will see a denial of the Blood Atonement, a denial of the Substitutionary Atonement and more. Westcott was into the communion of the saints.
See this short video here:
This is a Paraphrase.
Do you want the paraphrased words of God or do you want the actual words of God?
Which Bible? How can you trust what the Bible says on such matters if it has errors in it?
In short, you or some scholar becomes the ultimate authority deciding what God said and did not say.
In the Garden, the serpent questioned Eve about the validity of God’s command.
This is what goes on in the world of Textual Criticism Or the Modern Bible movement. They question God’s words by saying that there are errors in His word today.