The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[Bible_Highlighter]

All it comes down to is what kind of body is being described in each instance. That is all.

The Ephesians..'there is one body...' is about the Ephesians church. As an example of unity in a church to other churches as the letter was distributed around.

It's not saying there is 'only one' body.

Again..1 co 12 is describing a local body. All redeemed do not meet..are not connected.. one member does not feel the hurt of another when one is in Africa and another in Australia.

An arm..is akin to an individual member of the body...not an entire supposed denominational wing like 'the church of America '

I could go on...

As for Landmarkism.. any church that holds to the distinctives of NT churches is one of God's churches. They may not have Baptist in the name .

But it has been mainly Baptist churches that have long tenaciously held to these distinctives.

My Church by J M Moody shows this better..and The Battle for Baptist history by I.K.Cross among others

The text does not say we were all baptized by one Spirit into water. It says “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,” (1 Corinthians 12:13). The word “Spirit” here signifies the type of baptism that is being spoken of here. The Spirit baptizes here and not men. So this is a spiritual baptism. To read water baptism into this verse is to distort what the verse actually says.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

All it comes down to is what kind of body is being described in each instance. That is all.

The Ephesians..'there is one body...' is about the Ephesians church. As an example of unity in a church to other churches as the letter was distributed around.

It's not saying there is 'only one' body.

Again..1 co 12 is describing a local body. All redeemed do not meet..are not connected.. one member does not feel the hurt of another when one is in Africa and another in Australia.

An arm..is akin to an individual member of the body...not an entire supposed denominational wing like 'the church of America '

I could go on...

As for Landmarkism.. any church that holds to the distinctives of NT churches is one of God's churches. They may not have Baptist in the name .

But it has been mainly Baptist churches that have long tenaciously held to these distinctives.

My Church by J M Moody shows this better..and The Battle for Baptist history by I.K.Cross among others

The baptism of the Spirit can be seen in Acts 10:34-46 where Cornelius and his household were overcome by the Spirit when they believed the gospel message given to them by Peter. The thief on the cross was saved without water baptism. In fact, the thief on the cross who received favor from Jesus had originally reviled Jesus (Matthew 27:44). So it would seem highly unlikely he was baptized by John the Baptist prior to his crucifixion.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

To all:

There is a danger in making divisions where there are none (Please read: 1 Corinthians 3).
The Bride of Christ are all those faithful believers who are taken up in the Rapture. Note: I don’t believe this would be the ”Sin and Still Be Saved“ type of believer (See: Matthew 7:22-23) (Matthew 13:41-42) (1 John 3:10) (1 John 2:3-4) (Jude 1:4). Scripture is clear that Christians have to be faithful and or watch for their Lord’s return. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

Those who are the guests of the wedding who did not have on a wedding garment are unfaithful believers (Matthew 22:1-14). Of course, the Father gives the command to cast these types out of His Kingdom. Again, this is the Christian who thought Jesus was some kind of proxy to sin (i.e. a license to sin or to never worry about it anymore). The wedding garment they did not have on was the fine linen worn by the saints in Revelation 19:8. This fine linen they wore is the righteousness of the saints. This is not only the robe of righteousness by being initially saved by God's grace through faith (Isaiah 61:10), but it is a garment not defiled by one later justifying sin, either. We are told to put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Romans 13:14). Revelation 3:1-6 talks about a few in Sardis who have not defiled their garments due to the sins of not watching (Rev 3:3), not repenting if they are not holding fast to the word received (Rev 3:3), not having their works perfect before God (Rev 3:2), and not overcoming (Rev 3:5). The others in Sardis were said to be dead (Rev 3:1). Scripture also tells us that he that does righteousness is righteous, as well (See 1 John 3:7).

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

@Bible_Highlighter, thanks kindly for the KJB pdf - appreciate the massive
effort in its production - learning much I have never heard before...

There is a danger in making divisions where there are none...

Yes, agree, but on the other hand, is there not also danger and Confusion when
we do not "Rightly Divide" God's Word Of Truth, Where "It Should Be Done"? ie:

Basic Distinctions (14 + 4 more) Of Prophecy vs Mystery! (for God's Approval?)

The Bride of Christ are all those faithful believers who are taken up in the Rapture.

Disagree, because of God's Rightly Divided Word in:

Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 1)?
Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 2)?

I don’t believe this would be the ”Sin and Still Be Saved“ type of believer (See: Matthew 7:22-23)

Respectfully disagree because of:

1) This Impossible Contradiction, Correct?

A) "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into​

the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth The Will of My Father​

Which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in​

​

That Day {Great White Throne Judgment? (Revelation 20:11-15)},​

Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name​

have cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?​

And then will I profess unto them,​

​

I Never Knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."​

(Matthew 7:22-23) = those "that Are Not" His Own, Correct?​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

B) He Has Always Known "those that Are His Own!":​

"Nevertheless The Foundation Of God Standeth Sure, Having This​

Seal, The Lord Knoweth them that Are His..." (2 Timothy 2:19)​

​

+ Q: How Long ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑? Always, Correct?:​

​

"According As He Hath Chosen us In Him before the foundation of​

the world..." (Ephesians 1:4 cp Body Of Christ Judgment Seat Of Christ​

in 1 Corinthians 5:5 and 1 Corinthians 3:8-15)​

Agree, all Eternally-Saved children of God Should "depart from iniquity"​

as Exhorted (2 Timothy 2:19c), in preparation for Judgment.​

and:

2) This Multitude Of Plain and Clear Passages Directly For The "One New
man" (Ephesians 2:15) [ not 'bride' of transgender confusion? ]
↑ ↑ ↑ = The Body Of [ A Male ] Christ:

God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!​

+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)​

+​

God's Eternal Life Assurance ​

+​

God's Eternal Life Insurance​

​

Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In
The Lord Jesus Christ, And In His Pure/Preserved Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (here's point #19).

Thanks in advance for your precious time and prayerful/Careful
consideration Of God's Important Doctrines.

Amen.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Ephesians..'there is one body...' is about the Ephesians church.

Do you realize how nonsensical that sounds? So let's go to that passage (Eph 4:4-6) to show that the "one Body" can only be the one Body, which includes all believers, in all churches, in all ages since Pentecost:
here is one Body,
and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in
one hope of your calling;
One Lord,
one faith,
one baptism,
One God and Father of all,
who is above all,
and through all,
and in you all.

Now if you want to persist in your error, just go ahead. But you are promoting false doctrine.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

@Bible_Highlighter, thanks kindly for the KJB pdf - appreciate the massive
effort in its production - learning much I have never heard before...

Thank you. All glory to the Lord Jesus Christ. There is still a massive amount of work for me to finish. My write-up will not reveal my understanding on the topics of sin and salvation. I understand others can blessed by this decision.

Yes, agree, but on the other hand, is there not also danger and Confusion when
we do not "Rightly Divide" God's Word Of Truth, Where "It Should Be Done"? ie:

Basic Distinctions (14 + 4 more) Of Prophecy vs Mystery! (for God's Approval?)

Disagree, because of God's Rightly Divided Word in:

Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 1)?
Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 2)?

Respectfully disagree because of:

1) This Impossible Contradiction, Correct?

A) "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into​

the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth The Will of My Father​

Which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in​

​

That Day {Great White Throne Judgment? (Revelation 20:11-15)},​

Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name​

have cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?​

And then will I profess unto them,​

​

I Never Knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."​

(Matthew 7:22-23) = those "that Are Not" His Own, Correct?​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

B) He Has Always Known "those that Are His Own!":​

"Nevertheless The Foundation Of God Standeth Sure, Having This​

Seal, The Lord Knoweth them that Are His..." (2 Timothy 2:19)​

​

+ Q: How Long ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑? Always, Correct?:​

​

"According As He Hath Chosen us In Him before the foundation of​

the world..." (Ephesians 1:4 cp Body Of Christ Judgment Seat Of Christ​

in 1 Corinthians 5:5 and 1 Corinthians 3:8-15)​

Agree, all Eternally-Saved children of God Should "depart from iniquity"​

as Exhorted (2 Timothy 2:19c), in preparation for Judgment.​

and:

2) This Multitude Of Plain and Clear Passages Directly For The "One New
man" (Ephesians 2:15) [ not 'bride' of transgender confusion? ]
↑ ↑ ↑ = The Body Of [ A Male ] Christ:

God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!​

+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)​

+​

God's Eternal Life Assurance ​

+​

God's Eternal Life Insurance​

​

Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In
The Lord Jesus Christ, And In His Pure/Preserved Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (here's point #19).

Thanks in advance for your precious time and prayerful/Careful
consideration Of God's Important Doctrines.

Amen.

I will save these links for possible discussions far in the future.

While I may briefly share my view on sin and salvation here on occasion, I am not looking to debate these topics at this time. I have done so many times in the past. My primary focus (while I may get a little side tracked at times) is to talk about the King James Bible being the perfect and error free Word of God. The reason for this is to help me to finish my write up. It’s been a long journey or battle in creating my PDF for the KJB and I hope to finish as quickly as possible (Lord willing).

May the Lord Jesus bless you and your family.

 

[wattie]

Do you realize how nonsensical that sounds? So let's go to that passage (Eph 4:4-6) to show that the "one Body" can only be the one Body, which includes all believers, in all churches, in all ages since Pentecost:
here is one Body,
and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in
one hope of your calling;
One Lord,
one faith,
one baptism,
One God and Father of all,
who is above all,
and through all,
and in you all.

Now if you want to persist in your error, just go ahead. But you are promoting false doctrine.

Okay.. well if I put the Ephesians verse to the side for now..

Every believer as an entity has been added to since Genesis! The types and shadows of Jesus in the OT were also the mode of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus. Jesus said regarding the OT.. 'They are they which testify of me'. He is all through the OT. Abraham believed in a redeemer. So did Job.. so did others.

Not a different way of salvation in the OT.. but a different way of service.. that failed. The service.. in the eyes of most of Israel became they mode of salvation.. rather than the belief they had in the Messiah who was to come.

So.. Pentecost is not the beginning of the entity of all redeemed. So the problem is how you can have the body of Christ of all believers.. starting then.. when it began way way back in the OT.

The Family of God.. was added to since Genesis.. but not the body of Christ. So they are different entities. Can you see where I am going with this?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

@Bible_Highlighter, thanks kindly for the KJB pdf - appreciate the massive
effort in its production - learning much I have never heard before...

Yes, agree, but on the other hand, is there not also danger and Confusion when
we do not "Rightly Divide" God's Word Of Truth, Where "It Should Be Done"? ie:

Basic Distinctions (14 + 4 more) Of Prophecy vs Mystery! (for God's Approval?)

Disagree, because of God's Rightly Divided Word in:

Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 1)?
Is The Body Of Christ "The Lamb's wife" (Part 2)?

Respectfully disagree because of:

1) This Impossible Contradiction, Correct?

A) "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into​

the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth The Will of My Father​

Which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in​

​

That Day {Great White Throne Judgment? (Revelation 20:11-15)},​

Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name​

have cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?​

And then will I profess unto them,​

​

I Never Knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."​

(Matthew 7:22-23) = those "that Are Not" His Own, Correct?​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

B) He Has Always Known "those that Are His Own!":​

"Nevertheless The Foundation Of God Standeth Sure, Having This​

Seal, The Lord Knoweth them that Are His..." (2 Timothy 2:19)​

​

+ Q: How Long ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑? Always, Correct?:​

​

"According As He Hath Chosen us In Him before the foundation of​

the world..." (Ephesians 1:4 cp Body Of Christ Judgment Seat Of Christ​

in 1 Corinthians 5:5 and 1 Corinthians 3:8-15)​

Agree, all Eternally-Saved children of God Should "depart from iniquity"​

as Exhorted (2 Timothy 2:19c), in preparation for Judgment.​

and:

2) This Multitude Of Plain and Clear Passages Directly For The "One New
man" (Ephesians 2:15) [ not 'bride' of transgender confusion? ]
↑ ↑ ↑ = The Body Of [ A Male ] Christ:

God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!​

+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)​

+​

God's Eternal Life Assurance ​

+​

God's Eternal Life Insurance​

​

Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In
The Lord Jesus Christ, And In His Pure/Preserved Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (here's point #19).

Thanks in advance for your precious time and prayerful/Careful
consideration Of God's Important Doctrines.

Amen.

Your part 2 of the Lamb’s Wife did not come up. The link is inactive. I saved the other links to a Google doc and I may deal with some of your use of those verses in the far future (Lord willing).

 

[Cameron143]

Okay.. well if I put the Ephesians verse to the side for now..

Every believer as an entity has been added to since Genesis! The types and shadows of Jesus in the OT were also the mode of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus. Jesus said regarding the OT.. 'They are they which testify of me'. He is all through the OT. Abraham believed in a redeemer. So did Job.. so did others.

Not a different way of salvation in the OT.. but a different way of service.. that failed. The service.. in the eyes of most of Israel became they mode of salvation.. rather than the belief they had in the Messiah who was to come.

So.. Pentecost is not the beginning of the entity of all redeemed. So the problem is how you can have the body of Christ of all believers.. starting then.. when it began way way back in the OT.

The Family of God.. was added to since Genesis.. but not the body of Christ. So they are different entities. Can you see where I am going with this?

Maybe this will help. No one has ever come to God apart from through Christ. The OT is actually referring to Christ, but He is hidden, only to be revealed fully in the NT. But all the promises of God were always going to fulfilled in Him. And, they were always being fulfilled in Him. But God chose to give revelation of Christ slowly. All that we learn of Christ in the NT is found spoken of or pictured in the OT. It simply wasn't fully revealed.

 

[wattie]

Maybe this will help. No one has ever come to God apart from through Christ. The OT is actually referring to Christ, but He is hidden, only to be revealed fully in the NT. But all the promises of God were always going to fulfilled in Him. And, they were always being fulfilled in Him. But God chose to give revelation of Christ slowly. All that we learn of Christ in the NT is found spoken of or pictured in the OT. It simply wasn't fully revealed.

Yes this is true..so how can you call the body of Christ all redeemed and NOT include OT believers?

 

[Cameron143]

Yes this is true..so how can you call the body of Christ all redeemed and NOT include OT believers?

I do include them.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Speaking of the Israelites in the OT:

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4)

 

[wattie]

I do include them.

Okay..so if the body starts at Pentecost..how does it include them?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yes this is true..so how can you call the body of Christ all redeemed and NOT include OT believers?

The answer is quite simple.

The Body of Christ consists of those who have received the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit after they obeyed the Gospel. And the Holy Spirit could not be "poured out"(a )until Christ had finished His redemptive work and ascended to Heaven and (b) until the Day of Pentecost (AD 30).

But later on when Paul was speaking about the saints in Heaven, he separated the OT saints from the NT saints thus, where he used the word "Church" to distinguish the NT saints who have passed on, and "made perfect" to distinguish the OT saints who were taken from Sheol/Hades to Heaven by Christ at His resurrection: To the general assembly and Church of the firstborn [NT saints], which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just [justified] men made perfect [OT saints] (Heb 12:23). All OT saints beginning with Abel were justified by grace through faith (Hebrews 11).

"Made perfect" would imply that they too have received the gift of the Holy Spirit (perhaps on the Day of Pentecost), and therefore at the Resurrection/Rapture, all will be in that one Body (which is also the Bride of Christ, which will become "the Lamb's Wife").

 

[Cameron143]

Okay..so if the body starts at Pentecost..how does it include them?

The church began at Pentecost. The body began when the Lord shed blood to cloth Adam and Eve. One might even say it began before the foundation of the world. But that will probably confuse people.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The church began at Pentecost. The body began when the Lord shed blood to cloth Adam and Eve. One might even say it began before the foundation of the world. But that will probably confuse people.

You are completely mistaken. The Body of Christ (saved Jews and Gentiles in one Body) could only begin at Pentecost, since the Holy Spirit "baptizes" or immerses each and every believer into that Body (See 1 Cor 12). On that day the believers in Jerusalem were called -- for the first time -- "the church", and Paul plainly tells us that the Church was a mystery hidden from all the OT prophets and only revealed to him.

 

[Cameron143]

You are completely mistaken. The Body of Christ (saved Jews and Gentiles in one Body) could only begin at Pentecost, since the Holy Spirit "baptizes" or immerses each and every believer into that Body (See 1 Cor 12). On that day the believers in Jerusalem were called -- for the first time -- "the church", and Paul plainly tells us that the Church was a mystery hidden from all the OT prophets and only revealed to him.

You believe being in the body of Christ means being saved and being part of the universal church?

 

[wattie]

You believe being in the body of Christ means being saved and being part of the universal church?

You see my issue here now

 

[Cameron143]

You see my issue here now

If people are saved the same way throughout history...by grace through faith...by the same being...the Father...through the same being...the Son, the mystery being revealed isn't salvation itself, but the means God has been using to save. 1 Corinthians 10:4...it was always Christ.
Simply because new terminology is employed doesn't change what has always been happening. The body of believers have always been...called out ones. Whether the nation Israel was called out to separate and live differently than surrounding nations, or the individual is called to live differently today, it's all the same. We are a chosen people peculiar to God...1 Peter 2:9.

 

[Aaron56]

The church was a mystery to the OT saints until Christ's appeared to them after His death.

After His death, He appeared to Mary in the garden and said this:

"Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

Paul wrote to the Ephesians about these circumstances:

But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
8 Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”

We tend to get hung up on the "gifts" portion since Paul is instructing about the dispersion of gifts. It's one of those cases where the added topic titles interfere with the whole message.

(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

Before Christ ascended, He descended to the spirits in prison and revealed Himself to them. After His death on the cross, this is recorded:

Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

This is keeping with the principle that "the dead in Christ shall rise first". Their resurrection is the evidence that they, who were in prison, received Jesus as their Lord and Christ. They had faith in someone that had yet to appear to them before their death. When He appeared to them, when they were souls in prison, they received the Holy Spirit. How do we know? Because He is the One who gives life to the dead.

"But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."

And, it is only by the Spirit that a man may inherit heaven, where Jesus led them.

So, the dead in Christ rose first immediately after His death on the cross (this was a smaller sign of the global resurrection that will come upon His return at the end of the age). And, because it is by one Spirit that we are placed into one body, the dead in Christ were made part of the body before any who were alive were added. This is why the body of Christ includes all the saints in heaven and on earth.

Here is when the disciples, who were alive, were added:
Jesus, after His death, appears to the disciples.

So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Now, they, too, had the indwelling Spirit that confirmed their placement into the One Body. It is by this Spirit that all men cry "Father! Father!". This is like the cry of a baby being born. This can also be called "The Spirit of adoption".

"For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God..."

So, the disciples now have the Spirit in them. BUT, Jesus instructs them to wait in Jerusalem for something else:

"Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

He tells them to wait in Jerusalem "until they are endued with power from on high". THIS is the baptism of the Spirit. Jesus does this and He only does this from heaven. Why? Because it is a decree of His position of Lord: He will distribute gifts to men according to His will.

Acts records it this way:

4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

So, it wasn't enough that they received the indwelling of the Spirit. They also needed power from on high to carry out their calling. This is true for all believers: they need the baptism by the Spirit to confirm within themselves that they are a son of God, included in the Body of Christ, and they need the baptism of the Spirit, performed by the Lord from heaven, to empower their gifts and calling.

The righteous dead, who died anticipating the appearing of the Lord, were included in the Body of Christ after Jesus preached to them after His death. The disciples who were alive were included in the Body after Jesus breathed on them when He appeared to them after His death. This happened after his resurrection and after the righteous dead walked the streets.