The Elect, Sealed, & Marked

[DJZawada]

So is this a post tribulation harpazo your talking about? I am a bit lacking in sleep today so I apologize if I do not understand very well today

The post has to do with the words that are written and translated from Greek and Hebrew for who are the elect, marked and sealed.

I did not speak of "tribulation" theories.

 

[DJZawada]

And on what do you base these accusations on? Not only are new here but it also is not for you to decide who and what everyone here is, don't assume you know their hearts

Being new "here" what is this you speak of, a chat room that has authority over anything? You have no authority, nor does this website have any authority over Christ, but only of what a moderator can erase from what people see.

The spirit sends one where they must go and to here I was brought.

it is written, "and whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

 

[Blain]

The post has to do with the words that are written and translated from Greek and Hebrew for who are the elect, marked and sealed.

I did not speak of "tribulation" theories.

Well regardless there are some things you need to learn. Firstly if you come into a forum and make a thread then people are going to disagree and question your post and logic, that is not an attack and you should not be judging and accusing people of things because they disagree with you or call you out on something.

You claim people on here are not his yet that is not for you to decide is it? The fruits of the spirit are love peace and joy the spirit of Christ, The spirit of the enemy the accuser is exactly what you are doing.
You cannot come into a debate forum and start making false claims and accusation of others that you do not know because they disagree with you

 

[Blain]

Being new "here" what is this you speak of, a chat room that has authority over anything? You have no authority, nor does this website have any authority over Christ, but only of what a moderator can erase from what people see.

The spirit sends one where they must go and to here I was brought.

it is written, "and whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

I specifically said being new here because you do not know anyone well enough to be making any judgment on their hearts that is for God to do not you, and I never claimed any authority but I will correct what is needing correcting.

 

[DJZawada]

Well regardless there are some things you need to learn. Firstly if you come into a forum and make a thread then people are going to disagree and question your post and logic, that is not an attack and you should not be judging and accusing people of things because they disagree with you or call you out on something.
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you twist words as a venomous snake like your father the devil.

Who then will give praise to Jesus me and one other is all?

For Abraham begged God not to destroy Sodom if but 10 righteous souls could be found.

thereby, should this forum not be destroyed if none can praise you name oh Lord?

Who then will give praise to Christ Jesus, by His name besides me and one other? Who I ask?

 

[Subhumanoidal]

@DJZawada

You came to a public forum and posted. You should expect that people will question and challenge your claims.

You accuse others of attacks and all sorts of things, yet your own posts have devolved into blanket accusations and basically calling the entire site full of unclean spirits.
All the while building yourself up as infallible.

You posted an idea that is, obviously, not a new idea, that people here have heard before, yet expect people to debate you over it. They already know your arguments and still disagree, so why would they debate.

You showed up on a site and placed yourself as a teacher and expect that all should simply accept what you say. And any sort of disagreement is essentially labeled disagreeing with God.

You clearly view yourself as better than anyone here and incapable of being wrong. Perhaps perfect?

I've been a member of this site for 9 years and you, literally, sound No Different than many on this site. Your attitude is so typical of what goes on here you literally blend in as if you've been here for years. All that pride and boasting, hiding behind God and scripture and accusing anyone that doesn't accept your view. People like you are a dime a dozen on this site.

 

[DJZawada]

@DJZawada

You came to a public forum and posted. You should expect that people will question and challenge your claims.
All that pride and boasting, hiding behind God and scripture and accusing anyone that doesn't accept your view.

No one has challenged any claims, for there are no claims to challenge. The words written were translations of scripture from Greek and Hebrew.

No one has put forth any views, nor me. I have praised the Lord and condemned demons who cannot worship His Holy name.

Are you also one who cannot say the name of Jesus Christ? Can you say that Jesus is Lord or are you also another false Christian with an opinion?

The Lord reveals to all for it is written,

"Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light unto all that are in the house."

 

[Blain]

you twist words as a venomous snake like your father the devil.

Who then will give praise to Jesus me and one other is all?

For Abraham begged God not to destroy Sodom if but 10 righteous souls could be found.

thereby, should this forum not be destroyed if none can praise you name oh Lord?

Who then will give praise to Christ Jesus, by His name besides me and one other? Who I ask?

You can say what you want of me it doesn't make any difference I have been called far worse things. However A wise man gladly receives correction I never once attacked your views I merely explained to you that you should not be accusing people and calling them things because they disagree with you.

How can you teach anyone something if you accuse and name call when they disagree with you? And also them disagreeing with you and me correcting you is not us not praising Jesus in all honesty all you have said so far has nothing to do with Ptaising Jesus.

 

[garee]

Isaiah 42 KJV

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

JPS Tanakh

הֵ֤ן עַבְדִּי֙ אֶתְמָךְ־בּ֔וֹ בְּחִירִ֖י רָצְתָ֣ה נַפְשִׁ֑י נָתַ֤תִּי רוּחִי֙ עָלָ֔יו מִשְׁפָּ֖ט לַגּוֹיִ֥ם יוֹצִֽיא׃

This is My servant, whom I uphold, My chosen one, in whom I delight. I have put My spirit upon him, He shall teach the true way to the nations.
בָּחִיר – bä·khēr’ – refers to Mashiach (Messiah)

• chosen one
• elect

Yeshua Mark 13:24-27

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Matthew 22:14

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”
ἐκλεκτός – ek-lek-to’s – refers to HaMashiach sheep (Matthew 24:31 & 22:14)

• chosen
• elect
• chosen by God,
• to obtain salvation through Christ
• Christians are called “chosen or elect” of God
• the Messiah is called “elect”, as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable

Revelation 7:9-14

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, (the sheep) stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshiped God,

Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Revelation 7: 3-4

Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
σφραγίζω – sfrä-gē’-zō – refers to “seal”

• seal
• set a seal

144,000 will be sealed by the heavenly host, 12,000 from each tribe of Israel.

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.” Rev 14
חָתַם – khä·tham’ – refers to a “Kings mark” or seal

• seal
• mark

A “seal” σφραγίζω, is to Israel from each tribe, the servants of YHWH by Elohai heavenly host.

χάραγμα – khä’-räg-mä – refers to “imprinted mark,” not “seal”

• imprinted mark
• idolatrous image or sculpture

A “mark” χάραγμα, is of the human world, done with human instruments, or upon a body.

The mashiach beast will “mark” his flock with the number of the beast 666.

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Rev 14:9-11

Revelation 13:15-18

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

So we have 3 words that should not be confused:

Elect – the sheep of HaMashiach Jesus
Seal – the 144,000, 12,000 from each tribe of Israel.
Mark – those who follow the beast and receive the mark 666

The 12000 from each tribe in that parable is metaphor to indicate a number no man could count .(144, 000 ) the elect Jew and gentile one bride that the father renamed Christian in Acts. God does not number days or people .Jewish flesh as shown with Jesus did not profit any more than gentile flesh. We walk by the unseen

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

No life in the corrupted flesh (666) The mark is not a literal mark no sign was given

natural converted mankind when born again have the mark of Cain removed and replaced with a seal on their forehead .it is used to represent those who have the mind of Christ. They 144,000 all of the elect that make up the one bride of Christ the church,

Trying to create two brides can only end in wondering .No faith

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

God saves people who beleive the gospel not tribes or nations.

Comparing oneself to oneself is not wise. We walk by faith the unseen .

 

[DJZawada]

You can say what you want of me it doesn't make any difference I have been called far worse things. However A wise man gladly receives correction I never once attacked your views I merely explained to you that you should not be accusing people and calling them things because they disagree with you..

Again you twist the words, as that is all you know how to do, your father the devil has taught you his doings and so that is what you do - twist words into something they are not, nor have been, the father of lies and his children.

YHWH is my God and Jesus is the redeemer of all who will call upon His name. Those who wish salvation and redemption must repent your sin, your fornication, your lies, your plots and schemes, and accept the blood of Christ Jesus.

There will be no salvation in your cunning words, your works, and your "explanations." For YOM YHWH is almost upon us who then will be redeemed?

 

[garee]

well you have not debated any thoughts and I do not have ideologies. I merely believe what the Bible teaches and that Jesus is the savior of mankind who died for our sins.

Moreover, I will add that this post in no way paved a "rapture" belief but grants those in Christ an understanding of His word to eliminate confusion in the body of Christ. I see you have alignment to a specific rapture "theory" and I certainly will not argue over your belief.

The savoir of mankind or Jewish kind?

 

[Blain]

Again you twist the words, as that is all you know how to do, your father the devil has taught you his doings and so that is what you do - twist words into something they are not, nor have been, the father of lies and his children.

YHWH is my God and Jesus is the redeemer of all who will call upon His name. Those who wish salvation and redemption must repent your sin, your fornication, your lies, your plots and schemes, and accept the blood of Christ Jesus.

There will be no salvation in your cunning words, your works, and your "explanations." For YOM YHWH is almost upon us who then will be redeemed?

will you show me where and how I twisted my words in this manner? You claim I have done so and I am open to correction and repraoch hiowever if you cannot do so then you falsly accuse me.

 

[John146]

Behold those who are redeemed - we wash ourselves in the blood of the lamb and glorify your name oh Lord!

To be correct according to Scripture, we do not wash ourselves in the blood of Jesus, but Jesus washes us who believe. He does the washing not us. Just saying...

 

[DJZawada]

natural converted mankind when born again have the mark of Cain removed and replaced with a seal on their forehead .it is used to represent those who have the mind of Christ. They 144,000 all of the elect that make up the one bride of Christ the church,
.

The 144,000 are not the elect, but the sealed - 2 different things ordained by YHWH.

 

[Blain]

@DJZawada

You came to a public forum and posted. You should expect that people will question and challenge your claims.

You accuse others of attacks and all sorts of things, yet your own posts have devolved into blanket accusations and basically calling the entire site full of unclean spirits.
All the while building yourself up as infallible.

You posted an idea that is, obviously, not a new idea, that people here have heard before, yet expect people to debate you over it. They already know your arguments and still disagree, so why would they debate.

You showed up on a site and placed yourself as a teacher and expect that all should simply accept what you say. And any sort of disagreement is essentially labeled disagreeing with God.

You clearly view yourself as better than anyone here and incapable of being wrong. Perhaps perfect?

I've been a member of this site for 9 years and you, literally, sound No Different than many on this site. Your attitude is so typical of what goes on here you literally blend in as if you've been here for years. All that pride and boasting, hiding behind God and scripture and accusing anyone that doesn't accept your view. People like you are a dime a dozen on this site.

 

[garee]

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16

he who denies Me (Jesus our Lord) before men will be denied before the angels of God. Luke 12

Yes, it not he who denies Jewish flesh before men.

Its the Lord who worked in the Son of man, Jesus that you deny by holding on to corrupted flesh .Jewish flesh. Jewish flesh is in not any less corrupted that gentile flesh. Dead is dead .Life is life.

The idea that we must serve Jewish flesh as if God was a man. It is of another gospel, another Christ, again who is not a man . One bride made up of all the nations .

The father renamed her Christian .A more befitting name to represent all the nations.

The power you are suggesting was made to no effect during the first century reformation . Satan could no longer deceive all the nations that corrupted Jewish flesh could profit for something.

When the veil was rent their was no Jewish man sitting in the holy of holies. The place of unseen faith reserved for our Father not seen it put an end to the abomination of desolation Kings in Israel.

The pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind .Or in the case of Cain plow Abel under the first apostle sent by God the first martyr .( non Jewish)

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight


Revelation 20: 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[garee]

The 144,000 are not the elect, but the sealed - 2 different things ordained by YHWH.

Same thing. . same one bride.

 

[Blain]

Same thing. . same one bride.

I am not sure he is going to reply he might have already been banned.

 

[garee]

I see this is no place of Christianity, but filled with unclean spirits and fallen angels speaking through many. The spirits have been tried and you are found wanting.

Who will proclaim Christ as King here? Who will proclaim Jesus as Messiah? I see only false doctrine and lip service sold to those who seek Christ.

Foul spirits! Has then the Lord sent me here to condemn you in speech? Truly I say to you Jesus is my redeemer and the redeemer of all who call upon His name.

Who then will glorify His name along side of me and build your great mansion in heaven?

Who will say before men as I do, Glory and Praise be to our King of Kings and Lord of Lords without care, freely before men?

Who will give praise to YHWH as I do now and His son who has redeemed all mankind that shall call upon His name?

if there be any of you that are His then let you say these words:

Jesus is my Lord and salvation is though His name only!

 

[JaumeJ]

Once again. Yes, Jesus Yeshua, is the Elect. Yes, all who believe Him are members of His Body.