The book of Job, my favorite book.

[tttallison]

From the first verse we are told that Job lives in the land of Uz, but not who he is. Yet, when you compare scripture with scripture you see many clues. Lamentations 4:21 tells us the land of Uz is where Edom dwells. Job's name means hated.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

The parallels between Jacob and Job are many. In Deuteronomy 32:10 we are told Jacob is the apple of God's eye. In Job 1:8 God tells Satan that Job is special. In Deuteronomy 32:15 Jacob is called Jeshurun, being interpreted means the upright one. This is what Job is called in Job 1:1. Jacob falls from grace in Deuteronomy 32:15 because of sin.

In Deut. 32:42 God says he will inflict Israel with arrows. Job says God's arrows are within him Job 6:4

For the first eighteen verses of Lamentations chapter 3 there is a parallel verse in the book of Job. The cup of woe is being passed from Jacob to Job.

I would be happy to discuss the book of Job.

Terry

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

What are you actually saying about the Book of Job? That it's not historical? That it's only an allegory? What?

 

[homwardbound]

From the first verse we are told that Job lives in the land of Uz, but not who he is. Yet, when you compare scripture with scripture you see many clues. Lamentations 4:21 tells us the land of Uz is where Edom dwells. Job's name means hated.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

The parallels between Jacob and Job are many. In Deuteronomy 32:10 we are told Jacob is the apple of God's eye. In Job 1:8 God tells Satan that Job is special. In Deuteronomy 32:15 Jacob is called Jeshurun, being interpreted means the upright one. This is what Job is called in Job 1:1. Jacob falls from grace in Deuteronomy 32:15 because of sin.

In Deut. 32:42 God says he will inflict Israel with arrows. Job says God's arrows are within him Job 6:4

For the first eighteen verses of Lamentations chapter 3 there is a parallel verse in the book of Job. The cup of woe is being passed from Jacob to Job.

I would be happy to discuss the book of Job.

Terry

Discuss, yes, how about, God saying Job will not deny me! Satan saying oh, yes he will, take that hedge from Job and let me trouble Job, then Job will deny you.
A war I get to see in the book, of Job, between us and evil. Job would not even deny God to his own wife, who I see Was done, who said to Job oh, curse God and die. As he said no, you go ahead, but I will not.
Do you or anyone see the correlation of the fight we all are in and possibly why we are allowed to get troubled.
The final question, will you or anyone one deny God? Even if in troubles? God knows and that is what matters as I see God knows and so does each person personally, no matter what one does or not does, matters not, God knows who are God's and who are not, along with each and every person ever born here on earth, thanks

 

[tttallison]

Greetings homwardbound

I believe you are referring to Job's first test, which he passed with flying colors. But where did God say Job will not deny me?

First Test Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Second Test Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them, to present himself before the Lord.

 

[tttallison]

What are you actually saying about the Book of Job? That it's not historical? That it's only an allegory? What?

Bruce greetings.

I definitely believe it is historical.

 

[John146]

From the first verse we are told that Job lives in the land of Uz, but not who he is. Yet, when you compare scripture with scripture you see many clues. Lamentations 4:21 tells us the land of Uz is where Edom dwells. Job's name means hated.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

The parallels between Jacob and Job are many. In Deuteronomy 32:10 we are told Jacob is the apple of God's eye. In Job 1:8 God tells Satan that Job is special. In Deuteronomy 32:15 Jacob is called Jeshurun, being interpreted means the upright one. This is what Job is called in Job 1:1. Jacob falls from grace in Deuteronomy 32:15 because of sin.

In Deut. 32:42 God says he will inflict Israel with arrows. Job says God's arrows are within him Job 6:4

For the first eighteen verses of Lamentations chapter 3 there is a parallel verse in the book of Job. The cup of woe is being passed from Jacob to Job.

I would be happy to discuss the book of Job.

Terry

Job’s 42 chapters are a picture of the 42 months of Jacob’s trouble (3.5 years).

 

[tttallison]

Job’s 42 chapters are a picture of the 42 months of Jacob’s trouble (3.5 years).

Interesting, I never considered that the book might have a connection to Jacob's troubles. I see no mention of 42 months in Jeremiah chapter 30.

 

[SomeDisciple]

What do you think about ch. 32-37?

 

[tttallison]

What do you think about ch. 32-37?

I believe Elihu is the writer of this book as he speaks in the first person. Job asks for a mediator who was made of clay. Job had said God would laugh at the trial of the innocent. (Job 9:23)

Elihu and God
Compare these verses carefully.

Elihu said, “Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.” Job 34:35

Elihu said, “Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vain: he multiplieth words without knowledge.” Job 35:16

The Lord said, “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?” Job 38:2
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Elihu said, “If thou canst answer me, set they words in order before me, stand up.” Job 33:5

The Lord said, “Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.” Job 38:3
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Elihu said, “Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God. Dost thou know when God disposed them, and caused the light of his cloud to shine? Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge? Job 37:14-16

The Lord said, “Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion therof in the earth? Canst thou lift up they voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?” Job 38:33-34
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Elihu said, “Shall even he that hateth right govern? And wilt thou condemn him that is most just?” Job 34-17

The Lord said, “Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproveth God, let him answer it.” Job 40:2
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Elihu said, “Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.” Job 32:2

Elihu said, “Thinkest thou this to be right, that thou saidst, my righteousness is more than God’s?” Job 35:2

The Lord said, “Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?” Job 40:8
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In every case Elihu said it first and the Lord repeated.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I believe Elihu is the writer of this book as he speaks in the first person. Job asks for a mediator who was made of clay. Job had said God would laugh at the trial of the innocent. (Job 9:23)

Elihu and God
Compare these verses carefully.

Elihu said, “Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.” Job 34:35

Elihu said, “Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vain: he multiplieth words without knowledge.” Job 35:16

The Lord said, “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?” Job 38:2
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Elihu said, “If thou canst answer me, set they words in order before me, stand up.” Job 33:5

The Lord said, “Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.” Job 38:3
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Elihu said, “Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God. Dost thou know when God disposed them, and caused the light of his cloud to shine? Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge? Job 37:14-16

The Lord said, “Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion therof in the earth? Canst thou lift up they voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?” Job 38:33-34
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Elihu said, “Shall even he that hateth right govern? And wilt thou condemn him that is most just?” Job 34-17

The Lord said, “Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproveth God, let him answer it.” Job 40:2
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Elihu said, “Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.” Job 32:2

Elihu said, “Thinkest thou this to be right, that thou saidst, my righteousness is more than God’s?” Job 35:2

The Lord said, “Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?” Job 40:8
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In every case Elihu said it first and the Lord repeated.

Thank you. You certainly do enjoy the Book of Job. Those are interesting parallels with deut. That you pointed out in the original post as well.

 

[John146]

Interesting, I never considered that the book might have a connection to Jacob's troubles. I see no mention of 42 months in Jeremiah chapter 30.

The great tribulation is 3.5 years, the middle of the week.

 

[tttallison]

The great tribulation is 3.5 years, the middle of the week.

We are at variance on this subject. Your thought lies with the majority of opinion. Thank you for your reply.

 

[homwardbound]

Greetings homwardbound

I believe you are referring to Job's first test, which he passed with flying colors. But where did God say Job will not deny me?

First Test Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Second Test Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them, to present himself before the Lord.

Read the context of Chapter one the whole chapter and see it however you want, I see it as Job will not deny, or curse God over troubles that just happened to him, his children dead, wow, woke is me.
Please do not pick out verses to see them out of context. The Context is Satan says to God since you have a hedge around Job, of coarse he will not deny (Curse) you. Take away that hedge and he will. Job did not curse or deny God did Job? Nope, throughout the entire book of Job. Can we do that, I hope so in trust to be able to by God who simply ;loves us all, thank you

 

[p_rehbein]

We often hear about the "patience" of Job.

Chapter 13, verse 15 shows us the fullness of his faith.

Truth is, Job's patience was not nearly as strong as his faith in God. As I recall, after the first three Chapters, Job's patience had played out, and he began to lament all the suffering and loss he was experiencing. And, unduly, because he believed he did not deserve what was happening to him.

His cries for God to appear and explain to him became so profound that God finally tired of his cries and complaining....... This is revealed in Chapter 38.

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Imagine if God spoke to you this way... My goodness, what a great fear would come upon us. No one wants to fall into the hands of an angry God, huh?

In the end, Job did not sin and remained faithful to God. God blessed him with all he had lost and even more.

IMO, the greatest lesson from Job is "faith."

 

[SomeDisciple]

I definitely believe it is historical.

Typological rather than allegorical, right?

I haven't spent much time on Lamentations; so, I never noticed this typology before... I bet the prophets did, though, as they were watching it all unfold.

 

[homwardbound]

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We often hear about the "patience" of Job.

Chapter 13, verse 15 shows us the fullness of his faith.

Truth is, Job's patience was not nearly as strong as his faith in God. As I recall, after the first three Chapters, Job's patience had played out, and he began to lament all the suffering and loss he was experiencing. And, unduly, because he believed he did not deserve what was happening to him.

His cries for God to appear and explain to him became so profound that God finally tired of his cries and complaining....... This is revealed in Chapter 38.

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Imagine if God spoke to you this way... My goodness, what a great fear would come upon us. No one wants to fall into the hands of an angry God, huh?

In the end, Job did not sin and remained faithful to God. God blessed him with all he had lost and even more.

IMO, the greatest lesson from Job is "faith."

what I see is: yes impatience. That is the flesh in people’s way. I think chapter 31, 32, when Job got sick of those counselor. Where they continued, telling Job, he had to have sinned, God is punishing him. Job sick of this. As I see this still goes on today from people.
God intervened because of haughtiness trying to set in job, to be a “person better than others attitude” as is all over the place today. Read Luke 18:9-14 to return to thanksgiving and praise inGod’s mercy of son for thee.
‘Job from God reckoned righteous in belief to God. Where he would not quit belief, even in adversities, will I, you or anyone else now see to last through it all and not deny curse God Either.
read that last chapter in going through all those adversities, now see it deeper in Jesus, going all the way without a Fight back in the flesh.
amazing God is. And it is worthy for me to have and go through terrible stuff too. Seeing to not deny God proves one will not quit to self and God, does it not. There Romans 8 has deep truth in it, thank you

 

[tttallison]

Read the context of Chapter one the whole chapter and see it however you want, I see it as Job will not deny, or curse God over troubles that just happened to him, his children dead, wow, woke is me.
Please do not pick out verses to see them out of context. The Context is Satan says to God since you have a hedge around Job, of coarse he will not deny (Curse) you. Take away that hedge and he will. Job did not curse or deny God did Job? Nope, throughout the entire book of Job. Can we do that, I hope so in trust to be able to by God who simply ;loves us all, thank you

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

God has given us 66 beautiful books to compare. Each book containing many puzzle pieces. When those pieces are correctly placed, we are amazed to find a single picture with many components.

 

[homwardbound]

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

God has given us 66 beautiful books to compare. Each book containing many puzzle pieces. When those pieces are correctly placed, we are amazed to find a single picture with many components.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

God has given us 66 beautiful books to compare. Each book containing many puzzle pieces. When those pieces are correctly placed, we are amazed to find a single picture with many components.

a fact Bible a gigantic puzzle, with a merciful God to all, with many stories of failures in the first testament. Which proves to me “I” need God to do God’s done work of Son as risen in the New Testament for me and everyone else too.
‘believe, receive and see new, growing in grace daily
God never forsaking anyone amazing isn’t it?

 

[tttallison]

We often hear about the "patience" of Job.

Chapter 13, verse 15 shows us the fullness of his faith.

Truth is, Job's patience was not nearly as strong as his faith in God. As I recall, after the first three Chapters, Job's patience had played out, and he began to lament all the suffering and loss he was experiencing. And, unduly, because he believed he did not deserve what was happening to him.

His cries for God to appear and explain to him became so profound that God finally tired of his cries and complaining....... This is revealed in Chapter 38.

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Imagine if God spoke to you this way... My goodness, what a great fear would come upon us. No one wants to fall into the hands of an angry God, huh?

In the end, Job did not sin and remained faithful to God. God blessed him with all he had lost and even more.

IMO, the greatest lesson from Job is "faith."

In Chapter 13:15 we find a "but" which is followed by the statement "I will maintain my own ways before Him." Job's ways are not right according to God, according to Elihu, according to the spirit, and according to Job.

God said to Job in Job 40:8 "Will you condemn me that you might be righteous?"

Elihu said to Job Job 35:2 Thinkest thou this to be right, that thou saidst, My righteousness is more than God's?

The spirit said, Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?

Job said, Job 27:6 "My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live."

But Job's heart did reproach him. Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

 

[tttallison]

Typological rather than allegorical, right?

I haven't spent much time on Lamentations; so, I never noticed this typology before... I bet the prophets did, though, as they were watching it all unfold.

There is more in Lamentations. But look at how Paul speaks of Israel.

Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Job had a zeal for God, but according to God it was without knowledge. Job was establishing his own righteousness according to God in Job 40:8

David also compares to Job.