Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

Those scriptures you just posted are they in context to you or are they in context to:

1. The Gospel message?
2. The Holy Spirit

 

[surfer14]

Ok brother, you know this is one of those areas where we clash. This is literally found on every white supremacist website. It was a mistake, the Jews made reparations with the families and with the US gov't. It's not like Pearl Harbor, but it's being represented that way. This is false.

Kayla,
I do love your fervency! When you lose your scales, you are going to be a force to be reckoned with for sure! It will happen. But maybe not until heaven. Just keep seeking truth. That's what I do.

Three points regarding your post:

1. "White supremacy" is not a thing. The term is pure propaganda. What was "white supremacist" about the site that I linked to?
2. Do you see any irony in the fact that soldiers who liberated the camps in Germany and Poland are automatically believed when they say there were a bunch of starving jews there. But sailors who say they were deliberately attacked by Israel have their testimony dismissed? Doesn't that strike you as odd? What could explain this duality? The answer is obvious once you're willing to see.
3. Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen because Roosevelt wanted to get into the war. This is LIHOP (Let IT Happen On Purpose). The Liberty was attacked by Israel in the hopes of attributing the attack to the Egyptians and thus draw America into the war. That is MIHOP (Make It Happen On Purpose). So, you are correct. They aren't the same. And we do know the Mossad motto is "Through deception we wage war". Their plan didn't work, but that's no problem for them - just say you're sorry and throw a little money at the victims and it's all good!

 

[0000000]

Ultra Orthodox Jews That Are Anti Zionism, that support Iran and the Arabs, That Deny Jesus Christ As Messiah, And Are In Bondage To The Law?

They In Themselves Are A Complete Mess Thing

This is incorrect. All Jews who Deny Jesus Christ As Messiah do not have the Father or the Son. In fact ALL that deny Jesus is the Christ has not God.

 

[Truth7t7]

Those scriptures you just posted are they in context to you or are they in context to:

1. The Gospel message?
2. The Holy Spirit

The scripture clearly teaches that when a person believes and is saved, they are sealed by God the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, simple

John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

 

[Wansvic]

That dynamic climaxes in rev 14.
144k firstfruit Jews taken to heaven FIRST, then main Jewish harvest a few verses later.
Read ruth.
Then look at the first miracle of Jesus.....NOTE ;(cannonized eternally as "FIRST miracle").

(Which translates " last miracle"

Iow
The first miracle HAD TO BE at a JEWISH wedding. With wine, a group of six,his " mother", " good wine" , "inferrior wine", " best wine", and the biggie...."best comes last"

The jews attend the wedding last.
Rev 14.

Ruth vividly portrays ruth entering into covenant ahead of naomi via marriage.
We...the gentile bride... Are preferred ahead of the covenant jews. Naomi is INCLUDED IN THE DEAL.
The covenant Jews depicted as naomi and the land as the Jewish nation." The wayward wife" .

The Jews come in through " covenant" and THROUGH THE DRAMA with ruth.
But they are there THROUGH BOAZ (JESUS).

You can not understand end times without those components

My question was regarding the comment the "only 1/3rd of worldwide Jewry will be saved after the Second Coming of Christ." Unless I am mistaken your comment did not answer that specific question. If it did, please clarify if you don't mind.

 

[kaylagrl]

You will closely note you gave disregard in highlighting the words?

(Which He Foreknew)

God has not cast away his people, the "Remnant Elect" chose Jew which God foreknew, who will accept the finished work on Calvary and be added to the Church, the Israel Of God

Roman's 11:2KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

As scripture clearly teaches, Israel will not obtain salvation but will be blinded, only the chosen "Remnant Elect" will be saved and "Added To The Church", Gods Israel

All Israel Will Be Saved, When The Last Soul Has Been Added To The Church, The Israel Of God

Romans 11:5-8KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

Now this is in black and white, you are changing Scripture. Read it again.

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

This is speaking of Israel, the Jews. It says,

Gentiles (Christians) don't be ignorant/ conceited. Israel is blinded, until all Gentiles (Christians) come in. THEN what will happen?! He will turn godlessness away from whom? Not the Gentiles (Christians) but the Jews. It's clear and you are reading it and flat out denying what it says. You're 100% wrong.

 

[posthuman]

There is "One Covenant" between God and Man

You sure?
What happened to this covenant?

Genesis 9:9-15
"And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you, and with every living creature that [is] with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth."
And God said:
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which [is] between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] on the earth."
And God said to Noah,
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that [is] on the earth."

 

[0000000]

So that entire grafting back in in romans is baloney?
God stepped outside his own purpose and now has cast away forever his wayward wife and covenant people?

The only way into the Kingdom of God is to be born into it.

 

[0000000]

You sure?
What happened to this covenant?

Genesis 9:9-15
"And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you, and with every living creature that [is] with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth."
And God said:
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which [is] between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] on the earth."
And God said to Noah,
"This [is] the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that [is] on the earth."

Are you in covenant with the living God? If so what is it?

 

[Truth7t7]

This is incorrect. All Jews who Deny Jesus Christ As Messiah do not have the Father or the Son. In fact ALL that deny Jesus is the Christ has not God.

1 John 2:22-23KJV
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 

[0000000]

No!! The church does not replace Israel. Now you're mixing OSAS with Replacement Theology. smh You're ignoring the entire passage. It says clearly "ALL ISRAEL will be saved". This has nothing to do with YOU. Sorry, you're just totally wrong here. It's clear and you're denying it.

"God's replacement theology"

Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you,
The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[posthuman]

Are you in covenant with the living God? If so what is it?

Do you believe He revoked His covenant with all living things and the whole earth as set out in Genesis 9?

If so on what grounds? He asked nothing of any creature for this covenant; He simply promised it.
Is He unfaithful?

 

[MoonCresta]

I said "IF you want to support that".

Do I support the United States?

Normally, "NO!"

This is an exceedingly wicked nation, BUT there are some good people in it. I support the good, and oppose the evil, which ought to be a general rule of thumb for Christians.

I definitely pray for America's repentance, and for everyone's repentance, because God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30).

All men.

Everywhere.

God is no respecter of persons, and neither should we be.

It's really that simple.

Do I support the United States?

Normally, "NO!"

Bye.

 

[0000000]

Do you believe He revoked His covenant with all living things and the whole earth as set out in Genesis 9?

If so on what grounds? He asked nothing of any creature for this covenant; He simply promised it.
Is He unfaithful?

I believe you are not whom you claim to be on this forum. I know you.
And yes God has and will breach His own promise or covenant when
the other party forsakes it.

 

[Truth7t7]

My question was regarding the comment the "only 1/3rd of worldwide Jewry will be saved after the Second Coming of Christ." Unless I am mistaken your comment did not answer that specific question. If it did, please clarify if you don't mind.

The quote referring to 1/3 would be Zechariah 13:8-9 below

However the claim of "Worldwide" Jewery is false, as the Chapter explains it's in relationship to the fulfilling of the gentiles in Israel/Jerusalem

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

 

[CS1]

The scripture clearly teaches that when a person believes and is saved, they are sealed by God the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, simple

John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

You did not answer my question are all those scriptures in reference to you ? and are you an ultra Calvinist?

 

[Truth7t7]

"God's replacement theology"

Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you,
The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9-10KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

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John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

So, not agree with you is the same thing as grieving the Holy Spirit?

Not agree with you is translated as the sheep of God not hearing his Voice? And you are an ultra Calvinsit?

 

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1 Peter 2:9-10KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

that applies to all who are saved YET we are not to Boast because those who are far off can come Back. YOu write off the Jews because you are al elticis

 

[0000000]

So, not agree with you is the same thing as grieving the Holy Spirit?

Not agree with you is translated as the sheep of God not hearing his Voice? And you are an ultra Calvinsit?

It don't matter what you are if you do not live in the doctrine of Christ
you have not the Father and the Son. You have not God. This includes all.