Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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The Serpent 🐍 Nahash! The Covenant ✍️! The Right Eye 👁️! 1 Samuel 11!

She did not mention that the one eyed god is something that the Satanists and FreeMasons worship and which is why we have the all seeing eye on our money. The Satanists understood that if they can know every dollar you spend and receive they will see all.

Also, the Ammonites were descendants of Lot's incest. This is a picture of Christianity having FreeMasons on the board of directors.
 

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Revelation 4 and 5

There are a lot of young and eager Christians who are now teaching the word, some look like clowns but the reality is they are doing what the pastors and those who know the word should be doing. They should be commended for that and I am very happy for all that. However, we still need those, like Paul, who have been trained thoroughly in the word and nowhere is that more apparent than in their teaching on these two chapters. They see the rapture in these chapters and that is a very valid point. But being partially right is what a counterfeit bill is. So I will walk us through these two chapters verse by verse. They are absolutely essential to understand correctly. Generally when it comes to eschatology it doesn’t matter. But Jesus being Lord of all is an item of the faith that has been once for all delivered and this is something that we must contend for.

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

John is a type of the raptured saints. But think how weird that is. We see the rapture as the saints being taken before the period of intense tribulation where the believers left behind will be martyred. But John is the opposite, he is the last apostle alive, he was boiled in oil, all the other disciples have been martyred and many if not all of them by the time he gets this revelation. That is significant. Ecclesiastes tells us that there is no new thing, that which has been is that which will be. The church age at the beginning of the age is like a mirror image of the end of the age. John is the last apostle alive at the beginning and he will be the first taken at the end. I liken this to book ends which are a mirror image of each other. John being called up to heaven and a door being opened is definitely a type of the rapture that takes place at the end of the age.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

There is a lot to say here, but right now the focus is simply on when do these events take place.

4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

The argument here is that these 24 men are elders who are now in heaven, hence there is a rapture that has taken place and that also is true. When Jesus rose from the dead a number of saints also rose from the dead and went with Him to heaven. The number 24 is very significant as King David had 24 priestly courses. These elders are the priests to God in the greater King David’s reign.

5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

This is another indication of the rapture. We are told clearly in Revelation that the lampstand depicts the church, since the seven lamps of fire are in heaven that means the church is in heaven. I also agree. But it is absolute blasphemy to say that this can only refer to the rapture. It is an item of the faith that Jesus is sitting in the heavenlies during the entire church age: Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places. And not only Jesus, Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: So yes, Paul told us in the book of Ephesians that the church is in the heavens and Jesus is on the throne at the start of the church age. So these verses are not talking about the rapture, they are confirming what Paul shared in Ephesians. Can I see the rapture in these verses? Yes, absolutely. Does that mean John is telling us that this will happen 2,000 years from when he wrote the book of Revelation? That is absurd on many, many levels.

I will skip to chapter 5

Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Very good scholars have pointed out that this is a title deed. It is significant that it is written within and on the backside to make sure no one can add to or take away from what is there. These seven seals are how they sealed up title deeds. So that also is very significant. Paul told us that the mystery hidden from the ages was opened to him and that “6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs” with Jesus. That is a reference to the title deed which Jesus opens in Revelation 4 and 5. This is what Paul means when he says “that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;”

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

If you think that this title deed has not yet been opened, then you annul the ministry of the Apostle Paul and you insult the Lord Jesus Christ who has been made head over all. Not will be, but has been. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. This is present tense, not future tense. The reason the restrainer needs to be removed first is because this is present tense. If it was future tense and the scroll is not opened until the Antichrist appears, that is what the Muslims teach. This is blasphemy against Jesus Christ, the one Lord that all believers must believe in. This word for power is translated 29 times as “authority”, also right, jurisdiction. Jesus is telling us that He has the title deed to the earth, it is His, He has all authority, all power, and all right.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The lamb as it had been slain. This is right after the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension. Jesus ascended to the throne weeks after the resurrection. Stephen saw Him sitting on the throne and then stand up. It is contrary to the New Testament to say that the gospel of our salvation, the unsearchable riches of Christ that we are heirs of, that this is not opened until the Antichrist appears.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Why is Jesus worthy? He was slain and redeemed us with His blood. A title deed belongs to you when you pay for it. When did Jesus pay the price? That was when He was crucified. If you deny that and say no, this is not opened until the Antichrist shows up you are denying the redemption of Jesus Christ. That is an item of the faith once for all delivered that we are to contend for. This is just the most blasphemous doctrine.

11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

John hears ten thousand times ten thousand angels in heaven worshipping the Lord at this time. That is 100 million. If the rapture has taken place why doesn’t he also hear 100 million believers in heaven worshipping the Lord? The only people in heaven that John mentions are the 24 elders who were raised at the same time that Jesus resurrected from the dead.
 

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Revelation 4 and 5
Can I see a pattern that will be repeated at the end of the age. Yes. But Jesus is Lord, not will be Lord. And Jesus has redeemed us, not will redeem us. He has been slain and shed His blood, that is not something that will happen in the future with the Antichrist.

Now this is critical for Eschatology as well, though perhaps not an item of the faith that must be contended for. In this heretical teaching they conclude that the rapture must take place before the seals are opened. This also is false. It is very clear that the opening of the sixth seal is the rapture.

However, the reason this does fit with the rapture so well is because those who have not had their spiritual eyes opened and are not restraining evil, they don’t see the Antichrist kingdom and they are not restraining it. Once the restrainer is removed then it will be very easy to see, like having a veil removed from the painting of King Charles.
 

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Checklist for the rapture

I have created a checklist of ten verses concerning the rapture. None of them tell us the day or the hour. However, they are very restrictive when you try to fit a theory to all ten verses. I think this can be used to eliminate many bogus theories right off the bat.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z3BdrArnyyYyhiZz2l9nvWAqKTOE8uZe/view?usp=sharing

We used this approach when identifying minerals. It is amazing how just a few tests will narrow down the possible minerals from a very great number to just one.

I used the checklist on this theory about Shevat 15. So if you read this you will understand why I checked yes for all ten verses.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/114iCROgIm0QAxJ4K-CtbjJI73WRguDBZ/view?usp=sharing
 

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Checklist for the rapture

I have created a checklist of ten verses concerning the rapture. None of them tell us the day or the hour. However, they are very restrictive when you try to fit a theory to all ten verses. I think this can be used to eliminate many bogus theories right off the bat.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z3BdrArnyyYyhiZz2l9nvWAqKTOE8uZe/view?usp=sharing

We used this approach when identifying minerals. It is amazing how just a few tests will narrow down the possible minerals from a very great number to just one.
I put Shavuot through the checklist and they were only good on 3 out of ten points. If it had been good on 9 out of ten I would have reconsidered that one point. But as far as I can see this completely eliminates Shavuot.
 

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I put Shavuot through the checklist and they were only good on 3 out of ten points. If it had been good on 9 out of ten I would have reconsidered that one point. But as far as I can see this completely eliminates Shavuot.
I also evaluated Passover and got 5 1/2 out of 10. Again, ruling it out.
 

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At this moment we should consider that this fire in LA was intentional. There is plenty of evidence to suggest they have been preparing for this to take place and if we are wrong that it is intentional we were simply giving them the benefit of the doubt. The only other explanation is that their incompetence and corruptions is much worse.

However, if this fire was intentional to get the land cheap, then that makes it even more likely that this was also the case in Lahaina.

And if those two were intentional to clear the land of the peasants and open it up to new development, then you have to remember the mortgage meltdown did pretty much the same thing, a plan on making money by having people pay for homes for five years then pull the rug out on them and retake possession of the house which you can then sell again.

That in turn leads us to the spirit of Caesar Nero who did the exact same thing, and the number of his name is the same as the number of the name of the Antichrist and so what we are seeing is the spirit of the Antichrist in a huge way. Sure this kind of thing has been done many times, but the scale now is so huge that it can no longer be hidden from others.
 

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A Brief Word & An End Time Dream of Persecution 1-9-25@8:19 AM Shared 1-12-25

 

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This also is one of the days of Lot

Genesis 15:2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

Abram makes a covenant with God in which he will be fully given to the Lord in exchange for a son that will be his heir. We have two children, those born of the flesh and those born of the promise. Ishmael and Isaac.

4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

This promise precedes both and it sets the stage for chapter 18. Right now Israel in the Middle East is the child after the flesh. They were born May 14, 1948.

Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

This gives us a window into when the disaster to Lot will take place. It takes place 9 months after Sarah becomes pregnant. On this day the three angels promise two things. First, they promise that nine months later Sarah will have a son, and they then say they are going to go down to see what is going on in Sodom and Gomorrah. We know that when the Manchild is caught up the fire falls.

10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son.

The time of life is the Spring. Now to be fair we could compare May 14, 1948 as the fulfillment of this. It was the time of life, Israel returning to the land was like a woman 100 years old giving birth, and you could say their name was Isaac. This would mean that God went down during WW2 and saw how horrible the situation was with Germany and the holocaust. But it would be ridiculous to compare the Jews in Israel to Isaac. They are much closer to Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.

When we read this the question is not about the residents of Sodom being righteous. Some estimates are that 40,000 died. That is not the question. The question is about righteous Lot and any he has brought to the Lord. It is like evaluating an evangelical outreach program. For example, let's apply this to the church.

Now one way to read Revelation 2 and 3 is to see that the church age is divided into seven periods of time.

23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked 24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

With the church in Ephesus we learn there were some righteous and some who had left their first love.

26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

The Lord doesn't bring the destruction during the apostolic church. Surely we were able to see some very wicked people during this time, but the earth was preserved because of the righteous.

27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: 28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

The Lord doesn't bring destruction during the time of Smyrna when they were persecuting the church with grievous tribulation. Yes, there were even more evil people, but it was the righteousnesses of the saints that stayed the Lord's hand.

29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

During the age with Pergamos when the church married the world, there were even more wicked and even fewer righteous. But God stayed His hand because there were still those like the faithful Antipas, the faithful martyr.

30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

Then with the Catholic Church and Jezebel causing the servants of the Lords to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication the number of wicked was greater and the number of righteous even less, but there were still some that did not know the deep things of Satan and because of them God stayed His hand.

31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

During the church age with Sardis they have learned how to market the church, give it a nice name full of life and try and hide the fact that it is dead. Pump it up with the music and don't let those that stand against you become martyrs like Antipas. Instead you excommunicate them, slander their names. But even so, there were still a few names in Sardis who had not defiled their robes. So, God stays His hand of judgement for their sakes.

32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

Then we come to Philadelphia. This church is composed of those who have been driven out of all the other churches because they kept the word of God and refused to deny His name. At this point the synagogue of Satan has grown very large and this church is considered very weak. So even for the ten's sake God will not bring His hand of judgement.

But when we get to Laodicea, Jesus is outside of the church. They are proud, arrogant, thinking they are rich and clueless that they are blind, naked, poor and wretched. He is outside knocking and if any, like Lot will let Him in He will dine with them and save them from the judgement that is to fall.

So I am looking at this story with Abraham and based on the context the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is very great when Israel is birthed in the Mid East. That is May 14, 1948. We can compare the sinners to the "Fig tree generation". They will pass away by the time they are are 84 in 2032. So we have a timeline for the years. But this story gives us a timeline for the day.

9 months from May 14 is February 14. If the rapture takes place on this date it will be nine months after the birth of Israel took place. It will also be 42 months before the 9th of Av when the two witnesses are killed. We don't know the day and the hour of the rapture, but what we do know is that it is a pagan holiday (based on the story of Samson) and beginning on Feb 13th we have a three day pagan holiday. We also know that 42 months later the two witnesses are killed and as a result those who are the Lord's must flee Jerusalem. No one ever said we can't know that date, and on the Jewish calendar you would expect that to be the 9th of Av, the day they were cursed for rejecting Joshua and Caleb, the two faithful witnesses. We also know it is 9 months after God goes down to see if the cry from Sodom and Gomorrah is true. By the way, May of 2024 is when
So there is a connection with Laodicea and Sodom and Gomorrah. Interestingly it seems 50 righteous did raise a cry to the Lord to come and see what was going on at this time.

Just to be clear I am simply saying there should be a key connection to the day of the rapture. 9 months before we should see a cry going up concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, not in the world, but in the church of Laodicea. 42 months after we should see a very specific date on the Jewish calendar a shadow of Israel rejecting two faithful witnesses.
 

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There are 12 Bible passages that don’t tell us the day of the rapture, but they do narrow down what the possible days are. All these verses are the word of God and all of them apply to the date of the rapture. No man was given all the pieces to the puzzle. These are from the following writers: Matthew, Solomon, Jeremiah, Samuel, Paul, John, Luke and Daniel.

You can debate how significant each one is. But, if we have a date that fits all 12, then it is very hard for me to discount that day. February 13th this year fits all these criteria.


Matthew 25:13 tells us that this is not a special day on the Jewish calendar. Hence no one knows the day.


Proverbs 7:20 tells us that this will be a full moon.


Jeremiah 8:20 tells us that summer will be over, hence it is winter and that harvest festivals are all past. So then after October 31, after Thanksgiving and even after Christmas.


Judges 16:23 tells us that this takes place on a Pagan holiday.


Colossians 2:16 tells us it is not a new moon, not a Jewish Holy day, not a Sabbath day.


Revelation 11:3 Tells us that after the rapture the two witnesses will witness for 1,260 days and then they will be rejected and killed. Jesus never said we cannot know the day that the two witnesses will be rejected. Caleb represents the Gentiles who are raptured and Joshua represents Jesus. The day that Israel rejected them and then was cursed is the 9th of Av. So we should look for a day that is approximately 1,260 days prior to that (there might be 3 days of darkness before the ministry of the two witnesses begins).


2 Samuel 5:5 tells us that 7 ½ years after the rapture the curse will be over for Israel and they will be raised up. We are never told that no one knows this day so we are looking for a shadow of Israel when the curse for rejecting the two witnesses (Caleb and Joshua) is over and they are raised up. That would be the 15th of Av.


Matthew 22:9 tells us that this is a day that we are bid to the marriage feast. We are also told that this is a day of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.


Matthew 24:20 says that the Jews should pray that their flight be not in winter and their flight is when the two witnesses are killed.


Luke 11:29 says the only sign the evil and adulterous generation will get is the sign of Jonah. That sign resulted in the temple being destroyed on the 9th of Av for the Jews and I believe Armageddon for the Gentiles. If we do the math, 40 jubilees from 70 AD is 2031. So we are looking for a date that is seven years before this. However, God is precise. If He means 365 days He will give us a day count. If He means 12 months He will give us a month count. Any time that 6.5 to 7.4 years from the 9th of Av in 2031 would be rounded off to “7 years”.


Matthew 24:34 says this generation shall not pass away until all these things take place. Using the same logic, anything from 75 to 84 years would be rounded off to 80 years if we are simply speaking decades.


Daniel 5 says the same night that Daniel interpreted the Writing on the Wall sign Babylon was overthrown. I think a strong case can be made that Babylon is overthrown the same time that the raptured saints are raptured. This sign was interpreted in the Spring of 2024. Viewing a year as one day, the night would go from September 21 to March 21.


In addition to this you can make a case from Genesis 18, Genesis 15 and Revelation 2 and 3 that the rapture will be 9 months after May 14, the day Israel became a nation again.
 

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9 Months before the rapture

Genesis 18:13 And the Lord said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old? 14 Is any thing too hard for the Lord? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

This story is very interesting. We are told the Lord appeared to Abraham and that He appeared as three men. So we have the triune God appearing to the Father of Faith. We are also told that this takes place nine months before Sarah has Isaac. We can compare Isaac to the rapture just as we can compare Isaac's birth to Jesus' birth. In both cases the assumption of the flesh is different from the Spirit. With Mary many assume she slept with a man and wasn't a virgin. With Sarah they assume she slept with Abimelech. This is of God, a curtain that the flesh cannot see through. In both cases it is a miracle birth. With Mary a virgin is with child, with Sarah a woman who is past the age of bearing children is with child.

But what interests me in this story is the nine months. We can assume that nine months prior to the rapture the triune God visited the man of faith to let him know this event will happen. With Mary Gabriel visited her as well as spoke to Joseph in a dream. But what about the rapture, what event took place nine months earlier that would have told the people of faith "Is anything too hard for the Lord?" Abraham had made a covenant with God, that story depicts the cross of Jesus Christ. In that covenant God promised Abraham he would have an heir. Likewise with the Christians God promised that we would be raptured. That is our blessed hope.

So then, what event would tell Christians two thousand years later "Is anything too hard for the Lord?" Concerning God fulfilling that promise? I can only think of one event that is May 14, 1948. On that day the people of faith responded in a huge way to realize that we were in the final days and that God was about to take His people home.

So let's consider February 14. Yes, it is nine months after May 14, the day Israel returned to the land, looking like dead men rising up out of the holocaust, fulfilling the prophecy in Ezekiel. It is also 1,260 days before the 9th of Av, a holy day on the Jewish calendar that is a shadow of them rejecting the two witnesses and letting their carcasses lie in the streets of Jerusalem just as what happened to Israel when they rejected Caleb and Joshua. It is also 7 years and six months away from the 15th of Av, the happiest day on the Jewish calendar when the curse ended and the Jews rose up out of the graves. The 15th of Av is considered the most auspicious day for a wedding for the Jews just as February 14th is for the Gentiles. We also know that Samson pushing out the two pillars depicting the rapture and the collapse of the world's economy takes place on a pagan holiday and February 14th is a pagan holiday. In Proverbs 7 the adulterous wife tells us the goodman comes home on a full moon, and this year February 13th is a full moon. Jesus said they would be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage on this day and that is a very good description of February 14th. Jeremiah says that the summer is over and the harvest is past. Since they only have two seasons this tells us that it is winter. The harvest is past likely refers to the various harvest festivals. October 31 is a harvest festival, thanksgiving is a harvest festival, and you could even argue that Christmas is a harvest festival. So, yes, the harvest festivals are past on February 14.
 

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12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

Lord Jesus, open our eyes to see that our prayers to heaven will bring a heavenly supply to earth from the storehouses in heaven.

13 And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;

Lord, open our eyes to see all that we are in Christ. Lord, you are the seed of the promise, you are the seed that has inherited the earth.

14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Lord Jesus, thank you for this promise, may we be a blessing to all the families on earth.

15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

Lord Jesus thank you for this promise that you are with us, and that all the demons must flee at the name of Jesus and that every knee must bow at your mighty name.

16 And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the Lord is in this place; and I knew it not.

Lord may we have this treasure in earthen vessels so that others can also "wake up" and realize that You are in us and they knew it not.

17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

Lord bless us and all those that call on Your Name that we would be the house of God and that we would be this dreadful place, and that we would be the gate of heaven.
 

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No one knows the day

Jesus said in Matthew 25:13 to the disciples that no one knows the day and that should apply to the rapture.

Proverbs 7:20 tells us that this will be a full moon. But since the year 31 AD there have been more than 24,000 full moons, so although this narrows down the field it does not contradict the Lord's word.

Jeremiah 8:20 tells us that summer will be over, hence it is winter and that harvest festivals are all past. So then after October 31, after Thanksgiving and even after Christmas. This would therefore limit the possible dates to 3 months out of the year, that reduces the total number of possible full moons to 6,000, but again does not contradict the Lord's word.

Judges 16:23 tells us that this takes place on a Pagan holiday. According to the Lord's word that no one knows the day this cannot be a pagan holiday that existed at the time of Jesus but must have become one since. Also, according to Judges this was a feast to Dagon. There is a lot of overlap between Dagon and Catholocism, the hat that the Pope wears is the same hat that the priests of Dagon wore. This would eliminate the winter solstice or the spring fertility festival. However, Valentine's day was made to honor a Catholic saint in the 3rd century, so this also does not contradict the Lord's word.

Colossians 2:16 tells us it is not a new moon, not a Jewish Holy day, not a Sabbath day. February 14th is not any of those days, so this does not contradict that as well.

Revelation 11:3 Tells us that after the rapture the two witnesses will witness for 1,260 days and then they will be rejected and killed. Jesus never said we cannot know the day that the two witnesses will be rejected. Caleb represents the Gentiles who are raptured and Joshua represents Jesus. The day that Israel rejected them and then was cursed is the 9th of Av. So we should look for a day that is approximately 1,260 days prior to that (there might be 3 days of darkness before the ministry of the two witnesses begins).

2 Samuel 5:5 tells us that 7 ½ years after the rapture the curse will be over for Israel and they will be raised up. We are never told that no one knows this day so we are looking for a shadow of Israel when the curse for rejecting the two witnesses (Caleb and Joshua) is over and they are raised up. That would be the 15th of Av.

Matthew 22:9 tells us that this is a day that we are bid to the marriage feast. We are also told that this is a day of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. Valentine's day fits with this description.

Matthew 24:20 says that the Jews should pray that their flight be not in winter and their flight is when the two witnesses are killed. So this fits with this as well and does not contradict the Lord's word. Yes, we can calculate this day once we know that day, but until the rapture takes place we can't know this day either. I am simply saying this aligns with Feb 14th.

Luke 11:29 says the only sign the evil and adulterous generation will get is the sign of Jonah. That sign resulted in the temple being destroyed on the 9th of Av for the Jews and I believe Armageddon for the Gentiles. If we do the math, 40 jubilees from 70 AD is 2031. So we are looking for a date that is seven years before this. However, God is precise. If He means 365 days He will give us a day count. If He means 12 months He will give us a month count. Any time that 6.5 to 7.4 years from the 9th of Av in 2031 would be rounded off to “7 years”. This sign gives us the year, not the day. Jesus never told anyone that we could not know the year. So this does not contradict His word.

Matthew 24:34 says this generation shall not pass away until all these things take place. Using the same logic, anything from 75 to 84 years would be rounded off to 80 years if we are simply speaking decades. This simply gives us a range of years and again, Jesus never said we could not know the year so this does not contradict His word either.

Daniel 5 says the same night that Daniel interpreted the Writing on the Wall sign Babylon was overthrown. I think a strong case can be made that Babylon is overthrown the same time that the raptured saints are raptured. This sign was interpreted in the Spring of 2024. Viewing a year as one day, the night would go from September 21 to March 21.

Genesis 18 the Lord appears to Abraham as the triune God and tells him that in nine months Sarah will have a child (Isaac) after her womb had died and on that day He also told Abraham "Is anything too hard for the Lord"? My understanding is a great event in which those who appear dead will have a child nine months prior to the day of the rapture. This event takes place long after Jesus' word and until this event takes place no one would know the day. Jesus never said "no one will ever know the day". On the contrary the Old Testament says that God does not do anything without telling His prophets. So then we should have always understood that even though they didn't know the day 2,000 years ago before the day comes we would be told what it is from the Lord's prophets. So then, Israel returning to become a nation again after the Holocaust would certainly fulfill the Lord's word "Is anything too hard for the Lord". That was May 14, and 9 months later is February 14th.

So then, although February 14th is based on 12 scriptures, no one knew the day at the time Jesus was speaking. And although Jesus said "no one knows the day" this is also true as no one Bible verse or one writer had enough of the puzzle to know the day. Finally, anyone teaching that "we can't know the day" is not Biblical. They are ignoring the word of God which says "God does nothing without telling His prophets first"
 

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The ones who are holding to Revelation 4 and 5 says the scroll is not opened until the start of the tribulation are arguing that in order to open a title deed the heirs must be there when it is opened to witness this. Since we are joint heirs of Christ that is why the rapture must be prior to Jesus opening the scroll because by law we must be there to witness this. So according to this doctrine we haven't even inherited anything yet.

So couple of questions.

1. What about the Jews who are saved at the end of the seven year tribulation. They are not heirs, they are not inheriting anything?

2. What about the tribulation saints who are beheaded during the tribulation including the two witnesses killed halfway into the tribulation. They aren't inheriting anything?

3. What about Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: According to Paul we are seated together with Jesus in the heavenlies already?

4. What exactly do we inherit? In Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance Paul tells us we have already obtained an inheritance.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is that we inherit Jesus, we inherit the Spirit, we inherit God the Father. We have obtained this inheritance. When the Spirit was poured out on Pentecost it was the earnest of our inheritance.

Let's read what Galatians says:
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The gospel in Galatians is very clear

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

This is today, not some time in the future. If it is truly no longer you but Christ that lives in you then you are seated together with Christ in the heavenlies, you were there when the scroll was opened and you are the Body of Christ. Otherwise you are none of His.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The promise, the inheritance is to Abrahams' seed, singular. There are not a million Christians who also receive inheritance, one person, Jesus Christ, receives the inheritance. We are joint heirs if we have been crucified with Christ and it is now Christ who lives in us.

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

There is no hope of glory apart from Christ in you. This is not "Christ will be in you". This is present tense, Christ in you. If you are in Christ then when He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven and opened that scroll you were there because He is in you.
 

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12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Lord Jesus, I pray that all believers would see that we are to be sanctified, separated unto the Lord as priests. That because of your blood we can be holy, we can be acceptable unto God. Lord may they all come to know that the most reasonable and logical service you can do is to give yourself completely and unreservedly to the Lord Jesus Christ. May this fire in LA help people to realize that everything is vanity, it will disappear in a puff of smoke and it is not reasonable to exchange eternity for things that are vanity.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Lord Jesus I pray you would deliver us from evil. The world is trying to exert a pressure on us to conform, they are trying to brain wash us with a constant barrage of their propaganda. So Lord I pray your believers and those who are truly yours would spend time in your word to be renewed in their minds. I pray they would labor to prove and test the speaking. There are many deceivers, many false prophets and also many like Apollos who are not clear on the word. And Lord I pray they would labor to determine what is good and acceptable word of God. There are many who use the word to justify things that are not good and acceptable, they twist the scriptures to justify their own agenda. Finally Lord I pray we would all dive into your word to discover your perfect will and to walk in that.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Lord I thank you that your word corrects us, humbles us, adjusts us, and deals with our pride and arrogance. Lord I thank you that you have dealt to each genuine believer a measure of faith, may we appreciate that faith that each one has and ministers.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Amen Lord, we pray our eyes would be opened to see the unsearchable riches that you have distributed in your Body and that the life and faith in each member is for the whole Body, it is part of our inheritance.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.


Lord I thank you for these days, a word that used to refer solely to a congregation, has grown worldwide and can now refer to a ministry on the internet that travels around the world. The gospel is truly going out to the world. So I pray that we would see the many gifts, some are prophetic, some are caring for the poor, some are explaining the deep things of God, some are exhorting us to run the race, some are exposing corruption and some are cheerfully pulling branches from the fire.

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Lord I pray prick our conscience. May your Holy Spirit bother us, bother our dreams, convict us by what others say and do. If we are in a clique bother us. If our oneness is with our friends and not based on the word of the truth, the faith that has been once for all delivered to the saints, then convict us. Don't let us go. Let us see the evil that we do abhor that is taking root in our own hearts. We all have a choice, make it so clear, shine your light so bright, that we have a choice to cleave to that which is good.

10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. 14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

Lord we pray your kingdom would come on earth as it is in heaven. We pray that your name would be lifted up and glorified in all that we do.

15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

Lord give us an empathetic heart.

16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Lord Jesus give us eyes to see and ears to hear the treasure hidden in each brother and sister.

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

Lord Jesus your word says that the curse causeless shall not land on us. So Lord we pray that we would give no cause for the curse to land on us. Lord Jesus we know that if we are standing for You on Your word and walking according to the Holy Spirit that we will be attacked. So Lord we pray You would return all the curses sent our way to the sender. With what measure they are measuring towards your believers, may it be measured to them again.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Lord Jesus please give us peace in the midst of the warfare. It is impossible that offenses don't come, so please make the Spirit in our hearts so strong to guide us so that those offenses are not coming from us.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Amen Lord, we bow our knees to You and confess that You are Lord. You are the judge, not us. You are the one who will repay, not us. Let us see that when we try to repay evil that is rebellion against Your authority, and that is as the sin of witchcraft.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Lord let us remember how the apostle Paul was saved. He was the enemy of the church and yet Ananias came and prayed for him and the church received him and helped deliver him from the enemy.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
 

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2 Moons

There have been many dreams and visions concerning the rapture of two moons and a whole lot of interpretations as to what that might mean. One really simple and obvious interpretation could simply be two months as the concept of month is based on the moon. It obviously didn't mean two months from when they had the dream. God has made it very clear "no one knows the day". By that we should understand that each one of us can have a puzzle piece but no one has all of them. So then two months could simply mean the second month of the year.
 

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https://www.youtube.com/live/d3cL7wdVqBg?si=eZJdH8P_zQlvAkbN&t=1073

An interesting list of things going on right now.

1. Satanic knowledge and wisdom masquerading as AI
2. Confusing and distressing anomalies never before seen
3. A strange change in people's personalities
4. A marked increase in hatred coupled with a lack of love and compassion
5. Economic instability with nations on the brink of economic collapse
6. Churches abandoning the gospel and the word of God
7. Treacherous acts of pure evil
8. Demonic deception with these drones
9. Bioweapons spreading disease
10. Man made fires.
 

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Hammer time!

Judges 4:21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
 

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Vision: The Rapture - Be Ready or Be Left Behind: The Door is About to Shut