Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Who is THE THEM ? When was This applied to Whom ? Was That for The Kingdom of Heaven, or The Kingdom Of God ?
AND, Which of These Two Kingdoms are for Whom ?

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I believe that Jesus is the incarnated word of God. I believe when we search the scriptures the goal is to see Jesus, because the scriptures testify of Jesus. Chuck Missler described the Bible as containing a holographic image of God. When you look at the image as a 2d image it is fuzzy. But if you shine a light through it that was identical to the light that made the image, then you will see the 3d image. He said storing information in this format resists anyone trying to distort it.

In summary, a combination of physical tamper-evident features, sophisticated manufacturing processes, and complex optical and visual security elements makes holographic images a robust defense against tampering and counterfeiting. Any attempt to interfere with the hologram will likely leave visible signs of damage, making it immediately apparent that the product or document has been tampered with.

There is no doubt that many of the things in the Bible are directly tied to historical events and those events help to define and understand the word.

However, 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Therefore, when the Bible says "Let them be confounded and turned back that hate Zion". It is applicable to us, it is profitable for us. That word is part of the fiber of Jesus Christ and so when Jesus said

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

If you are in Jesus Christ and you ask this, you are praying according to His will. The fact that this was a prayer of David or a prayer of Hezekiah or others, and that when they prayed the Lord answered, that doesn't mean the prayer is no longer God's will, it means that you have that much greater assurance that the Lord will answer. He did it before, He'll do it again.

We are told clearly that everything in the Old Testament is written for our benefit.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

The Bible reveals a living God, one that is present and active.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
 

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Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

I liken prophecy to the Mandlebrot set. You can look at some event in the Old Testament and see it again in the New Testament. Man fell according to Rabbinical teaching on the 9th of Av. Later the spies returned with the bad report on the 9th of Av causing the Jews to be cursed for a full 40 years (they had already spent two of those forty in the wilderness, so they had to continue wandering for another 38 years). Both Holy Temples were destroyed on the 9th of Av. The Jews lost the Battle of Betar in 133 AD on the 9th of Av, The Romans ploughed the temple mount on the 9th of Av, the Jews were expelled from England on the 9th of Av, the Jews were banished from Spain on the 9th of Av, and World War 1 began on the 9th of Av.

Everything in the Old Testament was done for our example, and again, I liken that to a Mandlebrot set.
 
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I believe that Jesus is the incarnated word of God. I believe when we search the scriptures the goal is to see Jesus, because the scriptures testify of Jesus. Chuck Missler described the Bible as containing a holographic image of God. When you look at the image as a 2d image it is fuzzy. But if you shine a light through it that was identical to the light that made the image, then you will see the 3d image. He said storing information in this format resists anyone trying to distort it.

In summary, a combination of physical tamper-evident features, sophisticated manufacturing processes, and complex optical and visual security elements makes holographic images a robust defense against tampering and counterfeiting. Any attempt to interfere with the hologram will likely leave visible signs of damage, making it immediately apparent that the product or document has been tampered with.

There is no doubt that many of the things in the Bible are directly tied to historical events and those events help to define and understand the word.

However, 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Therefore, when the Bible says "Let them be confounded and turned back that hate Zion". It is applicable to us, it is profitable for us. That word is part of the fiber of Jesus Christ and so when Jesus said

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

If you are in Jesus Christ and you ask this, you are praying according to His will. The fact that this was a prayer of David or a prayer of Hezekiah or others, and that when they prayed the Lord answered, that doesn't mean the prayer is no longer God's will, it means that you have that much greater assurance that the Lord will answer. He did it before, He'll do it again.

We are told clearly that everything in the Old Testament is written for our benefit.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

The Bible reveals a living God, one that is present and active.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
I appreciate Your comments. However, I see what was written in that scripture was written to The Gentiles at that Time.
Does that mean It is of no value Today ? Absolutely not!
It does mean; however, that It was written TO THEM DIRECTLY. IF I write A Letter to My friend, and much later someone find It. Then, after finding It, They say: "I like that, I will use it also for Myself. This is unfortunately what has taken place with The Bible scriptures many times.
When writing a letter, and I address It to a particular person, and someone finds It much later; should They take what was written to that person, and use It for Themselves? Yet many times, this is what occurs with the Bible text.

It was not until The Apostle Paul was appointed to go to The Gentiles, that The Gentles had spiritual salvation offered to Them.

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I appreciate Your comments. However, I see what was written in that scripture was written to The Gentiles at that Time.
Does that mean It is of no value Today ? Absolutely not!
It does mean; however, that It was written TO THEM DIRECTLY. IF I write A Letter to My friend, and much later someone find It. Then, after finding It, They say: "I like that, I will use it also for Myself. This is unfortunately what has taken place with The Bible scriptures many times.
When writing a letter, and I address It to a particular person, and someone finds It much later; should They take what was written to that person, and use It for Themselves? Yet many times, this is what occurs with the Bible text.

It was not until The Apostle Paul was appointed to go to The Gentiles, that The Gentles had spiritual salvation offered to Them.

DeepSeeker
I have a different view, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. He is the incarnated word of God.

When I search the scriptures I come to find Jesus because that is what the scripture is testifying.
 

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We limit not the truth of God

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We limit not the truth of God
To our poor reach of mind,
By notions of our day and sect,
Crude, partial and confined.
Now let a new and better hope
Within our hearts be stirred:
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
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Who dares to bind by his dull sense
The oracles of heaven,
For all the nations, tongues and climes
And all the ages given!
The universe how much unknown!
That ocean unexplored!
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
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Darkling our great forefathers went
The first steps of the way;
’Twas but the dawning yet to grow
Into the perfect day;
And grow it shall, our glorious Sun
More fervid rays afford:
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
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The valleys past, ascending still,
Our souls would higher climb,
And look down from supernal heights,
On all the bygone times;
Upward we press, the air is clear,
And the sphere-music heard!
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.
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O Father, Son and Spirit, send
Us increase from above;
Enlarge, expand all Christian hearts
To comprehend Thy love;
And make us all go on to know
With nobler powers conferred:
The Lord hath yet more light and truth
To break forth from His Word.

I have no problem with someone who studies history or archaelogy and brings that knowledge to help us understand the word of God. However, I do have a problem with someone telling me we must read the word this way. There is a principle that understanding the meaning of the word at the time it was given is very important to understanding it today, that is fine. But if someone says this word does not apply to us today, that to me is not fine. That is directly contradictory to the Bible which says "all scripture is profitable for instruction". All of it is profitable to us today, all of it applies to us today. I also do not limit my understanding to what I was taught by Watchman Nee. I think he was an excellent Bible expositor. But that doesn't mean his Bible exposition is now canon. For example I believe that Luke 21 refers to the end of the age, the Day of the Lord after the church age is over. That aligns with Watchman Nee. I also believe it refers to 70 AD. That aligns with what others see. I believe it aligns to both. I believe the word is very clear to anyone who is open to reading it that this is the case. The people debating over this are limited by their sect, crude, partial and confined.

The Lord hath yet more light and truth To break forth from His Word.
 

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So then, let us consider what the Bible says about the rapture and the 9th of Av.

1. It will be as the days of Noah. Why did God flood the earth? It was because man had become flesh and their thoughts were on nothing but evil all day long. This is the same reason why the day of the Lord is coming. Noah's flood depicts the rapture as Noah (Christ) and seven more souls (the church) are delivered from that judgment. That judgment would be directly tied to the Fall of Man -- that is the 9th of Av. They enter the ark seven days before the rain falls and the ark rises. If you begin counting with the 9th of Av as the first day, seven days later is the 15th of Av, that is when the curse ended. The rapture will be seven years before the curse ends.

2. We are also told it will be as the days of Lot. Why did God rain fire on Sodom and Gomorrah? It was because the cry of their evil had risen up to heaven. This is why the Day of the Lord will come on the earth. Lot and his two daughters represent the apostasy, the left behind saints who will flee to the wilderness during the tribulation. Once again the rapture is a rescue that takes place at the same time as the judgment falls and we know from history that the judgment falls on the 9th of Av.

3. When Samson pushes out the two pillars (represents the rapture as the church is the pillar and base of the truth) the temple to Baal collapses and kills all the idolaters and false prophets. Once again, the rapture coincides with the judgement on man for the fall, and that takes place on the 9th of Av.

4. When Elijah calls down fire and all of Israel knows at that moment that Jehovah He is God and He is Lord, that depicts the rapture. At the same time the false prophets are taken down to the brook and killed. That means the judgment falls at the same time as the rapture and we know that the judgment falls on the 9th of Av.

5. When Moses comes down the mountain and breaks the two tablets because Israel is involved in Pagan worship and an orgy, that was the 9th of Av. At that time Moses calls for those who will stand with the Lord, the tribe of Levi goes up to Him, depicting the rapture and then everyone else drinks the bitter water depicting the tribulation and 3,000 are killed indicating judgment on the idolaters.

6. Pentecost is 50 days after the Lord's ascension, He ascended on Shavuot, and Pentecost is on the 8th of Av, the Feast of New wine (this is contrary to what is taught by the Catholic church and denominations, but that teaching is not Biblical, it is easy to prove without any doubt that Jesus ascended on Shavuot, not ten days before hand and that it was a full fifty days later that Pentecost took place and that was the Feast of new wine). This is when the Church age began. Therefore it makes perfect sense that it concludes on the 9th of Av.

7. When Jesus was asked about when these things would take place it was in reference to the temple being cast down and not one stone remaining on another. The temple is always cast down on the 9th of Av. The first two temples were both cast down on that date. Jesus said He would build His church and Paul said the church is the temple of God. The church is the third temple, at the rapture it will be cast down. If your faith is on the rock, on the revelation of Jesus Christ, then you will be raptured. If your faith is resting on what brother so and so says, or what the pastor says, then you are a stone that is resting on another stone and you will be cast down. This will happen on the 9th of Av.