SPIRITUALLY BURNED OUT?
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I'm someone who has been grown in the faith exclusively through reading on my own, no church attendance or any teacher guiding me but God, and not too long ago I'm confident I understood everything very well; even being given to 'see' Gods word and neatly correlate everything together even from books like Enoch and Esdras into the common canon, cross-examining everything with the world and finding it all to be true.
Problem was my social connection to any brothers was (and still kind of is) virtually nonexistent; being sheltered from people but having access to all sorts of information through the web and television, from the ouside looking into the world regarding faith all that's on display are how the masses view god as a vanity to window shop for, the errors of the institutional curches and the apostacy of those who boast in being "spiritual" leaders.
So I grew exceedingly arrogant in my heart and began to think I was someone uberspecial, searching the scriptures to try and figure out if any prophecy directly referenced me, thinking I could just divorce myself from reality and reap a reward from my own conceits. Fortunately God knocked me down a few pegs through a series of unfortunate events, and I became completely cooked and cut to peices by all the true implications of what the present means for myself and others.
Yep, I found the scriptures did directly reference me, but not in the proud way I had hoped. Now I'm slowly recovering admitidly with a log still somewhat in my eye, now fretful and worried with how all the nonsense effects the salvation of others, more bitter with how the faith is presented to the world, still a little nervous to interact with the people I share God with, but nevertheless beginning in hope to share my bread with others, attending some congregations and adding input where I can.
Problem was my social connection to any brothers was (and still kind of is) virtually nonexistent; being sheltered from people but having access to all sorts of information through the web and television, from the ouside looking into the world regarding faith all that's on display are how the masses view god as a vanity to window shop for, the errors of the institutional curches and the apostacy of those who boast in being "spiritual" leaders.
So I grew exceedingly arrogant in my heart and began to think I was someone uberspecial, searching the scriptures to try and figure out if any prophecy directly referenced me, thinking I could just divorce myself from reality and reap a reward from my own conceits. Fortunately God knocked me down a few pegs through a series of unfortunate events, and I became completely cooked and cut to peices by all the true implications of what the present means for myself and others.
Yep, I found the scriptures did directly reference me, but not in the proud way I had hoped. Now I'm slowly recovering admitidly with a log still somewhat in my eye, now fretful and worried with how all the nonsense effects the salvation of others, more bitter with how the faith is presented to the world, still a little nervous to interact with the people I share God with, but nevertheless beginning in hope to share my bread with others, attending some congregations and adding input where I can.
It surprises me how many christians are by themselves, not going to any church. The bible says "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is". Reasons: 1. We need it. There are times we need someone who's been through things to help us, and 2. Others will need us. This is the most important one, because Jesus taught us to lovingly give of what we have to others. What good is it to have spiritual abilities & share them with no one? Freely we have been given, freely we should be giving to others.
It surprises me how many christians are by themselves, not going to any church. The bible says "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is". Reasons: 1. We need it. There are times we need someone who's been through things to help us, and 2. Others will need us. This is the most important one, because Jesus taught us to lovingly give of what we have to others. What good is it to have spiritual abilities & share them with no one? Freely we have been given, freely we should be giving to others.
Do you, not understand the real, true Church of God, yet is
Hebrews 8:1-4.
Flesh is out for flesh, God is out to save our Souls, that is done in Son for us all to either believe God or not consciously so.
Myself, I have died many times here on earth physically, many times and yet live. Wow. I would rather be home. Nevertheless, here I am and ready to be led wherever Father leads me. Do I always listen? Learning to and have and have not. God still sticking with me and you and you and you too. Seeing what God did with Peter, who denied God three times and still messed up afterwards. God is faithful, I am not and. no others are either, but Son Jesus who is risen and Father through this gives new life to anyone that will not quit beleif to this done work for them to love all sincerely, even those that do wrong still or even those growing up in belief too
Love to all is the call, John 13:34. Now ask yourself how deeply, widely has Jesus loved you? If you are angst over troubles, then you will not see it, therefore ask God for the heart to see it and be new too, loving all in mercy and truth too Proverbs 17:3
the new heart is in the risen Son, talked of in Ezekiel 36:26 for y'all
AgreedIt surprises me how many christians are by themselves, not going to any church. The bible says "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is". Reasons: 1. We need it. There are times we need someone who's been through things to help us, and 2. Others will need us. This is the most important one, because Jesus taught us to lovingly give of what we have to others. What good is it to have spiritual abilities & share them with no one? Freely we have been given, freely we should be giving to others.
%When you compare being with like Believers and worshipping together pouring out emotions, love, joy and feel the overwhelming peace and presence of God strengthens each Believer. They are being edified as the Holy Ghost moves within the midst of the praise and worship.
You will never ever get that being home alone.
It surprises me how many christians are by themselves, not going to any church. The bible says "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is". Reasons: 1. We need it. There are times we need someone who's been through things to help us, and 2. Others will need us. This is the most important one, because Jesus taught us to lovingly give of what we have to others. What good is it to have spiritual abilities & share them with no one? Freely we have been given, freely we should be giving to others.
in the right context. 2 Cor 8,9,10 helps me and beign here helps as well. I hav learned much here and shared much also
Giving is not just money. it is so much deeper, thanks. True Fellowship starts with Father, Son and you, thank you
You know, you guys can always just talk to God as if he's actually there, because he is.
He knows all your heart and every little thing on your mind. You can talk to him about even the ugliest things. Don't just know he sees you, speak to him with your mouth. Don't just make a flat request, speak the things that you see in yourself. Speak out about them.
He knows all your heart and every little thing on your mind. You can talk to him about even the ugliest things. Don't just know he sees you, speak to him with your mouth. Don't just make a flat request, speak the things that you see in yourself. Speak out about them.
It surprises me how many christians are by themselves, not going to any church. The bible says "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is". Reasons: 1. We need it. There are times we need someone who's been through things to help us, and 2. Others will need us. This is the most important one, because Jesus taught us to lovingly give of what we have to others. What good is it to have spiritual abilities & share them with no one? Freely we have been given, freely we should be giving to others.
It doesn't really surprise me. Heb10:24 at minimum is the command that assembling is tied to. It commands to pay close attention to one another to provoke love and good works. Heb10:26 provides the explanation that willful sinning needs to be stopped.
Love and good works are parts of maturity, or at least proper Christian living, and they are exactly the opposite of willful sinning. So, we're assembling to provoke one another to grow out of sin and into love and good works.
The problem some of us have observed and experienced is that many "churches" today are filled more with sin and worldly programs and entertainment than with any comprehension of or mutual provocation to maturity, love, and good works. They seem more like perpetual baby-sitters at best and such places can be a comfortable place for the darnel to join in.
Then there's all the denominationalism and systematic teaching conforming the Word to the system.
They went out from us because they were not of us [and they formed many "churches"].
What is proper assembly and where is it these days where they provoke one another to love & good works and cessation of sinning? Surely they exist, but in some or many areas they are not easy to locate and most every Christian may say the Lord led them to be where they are while others may be rightly horrified at what others are listening to and doing.
Understood. Always in the back of my mind is 1John1. And just commented on another thread re: 1John3:9. But keep in mind Heb10:26 uses a word that does mean "willingly" and ranges into "deliberately" & "intentionally" so not accidently, and with the help of those we assemble with who are to pay close attention to one another, we should not remain in ignorance of sin - but instead all be working towards love and good works which is really language of spiritual maturity. According to Heb10 this is what assembling is for.
Absolutely NOTHING about your OP is Spiritual, yet you claim to be burnt out spiritual, who you kidding ?!?
"we know" - basically you have been taught in carnal ways, to see things this way and called them spiritual, they are nothing but dead concepts.
"false grace," - If it is false it is a LIE.
"false faith," - If it is false it is a LIE.
"no works," - NO such thing exist in the Word of God Spirit.
"no commitment," - NO such thing exist in the Word of God Spirit.
"false spiritual gifts," - If it is false it is a LIE.
"As Christians we strive to get the right doctrines" - Most of the doctrines are misinterpretations of man, how will you tell which ones are Spiritual, if you are burnt out of Spirit(no pun intended).
"psychologically, we" _ Here si Truth I am not a part of your 'we' . I know 'psychologically' is a man made concept and not Spiritual. If your mind is set on Christ mindset, you would easily overcome the 'psychologically' of manflesh's world.
'I would get so mentally worn out' - Had you but little Faith you would command and bare witnesses against their persecutions and triumph of them.
"Has this happened to you?" - Yes , when I attended the catholic religions and heard their lies how they could not afford to pay the settlements with the families of the children their clergy MOLESTED. I left and found my Spiritual Faith, GUESS where ?!? I found it ALONE and in Spiritual fellowship with the Holy Spirit. This si the assembly that is not to be forsaken, an assembly of Spirit. Not some ignorant flesh assembly of carnal minds.
"see the damage Satan has done to the church." - This is a false statement, satan has no power nor any authority over the True Church of God. The Faithful, who SEE and HEAR the call of God to come out are untouchable.
Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
witness...
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, / and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. / For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, ...
Revelation 13:13-14
And the second beast performed great signs, even causing fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people. / Because of the signs it was given to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image to the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet had lived.
Deuteronomy 13:1-3
If a prophet or dreamer of dreams arises among you and proclaims a sign or wonder to you, / and if the sign or wonder he has spoken to you comes about, but he says, “Let us follow other gods (which you have not known) and let us worship them,” / you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. For the LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love Him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
There is a Grace from God that teaches what you are currently going through :
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,
Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience.
"it’s important to see how much this has happened" - No, it is not important to see how much a house built on sand, can stand against the will of God, nor when this house of cards will fall.
Reason being is when this all fails!!!, it will then be appointed a time, to SEE what you did with your Spiritual Growth. DID you overcome or succumb to their delusional LIES !?!
A research into where religion began and religion's evil influence through out all of mankind's history is a must.
Possibly then one can differentiate between the True Church of God and carnal-flesh manmade false worldly religions.
What you are burnt out of, is exactly what they(the sons of disobedience) want you to feel, demoralized and confused = "burnt-out".
It is so much better to have a worthy walk when one follows scripture and agrees salvation is secure.
I guess we started this conversation and I probably forgot...oops.
The sinning "willfully" in Hebrews is about the law and when read in context does not in any way mean salvation can be outdone by sin.
Sorry of this is offensive but it is true.
God is not the enemy, Evil selfishness is
Authorized (King James) Version
Phi; 3:1-4
3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
God desires and wants what is best for us all
Authorized (King James) Version
Jeremiah 29:11
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
therefore understand, accept when you are told no. There is a righteous reason for it from God for us all
Those that do not get what they ask for, might be because they only want it to spend it on their own pleasures, Then when they do get get it, they do it on their own and act righteous in it. Ask God to reveal to you Matthew 10:16-20
If only you had posted the whole thing in caps and larger font he might have heard you. Alas.