Speaking in tongues

[RickyZ]

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All that is found in God's Word. Tongues were meant for unbelievers anyway. Besides that, tongues aren't the way or vehicle used to give a message to anyone. I've heard dozens of tongue speakers. How can you confirm that what was spoken IS what was interpreted? That's the only way to prove tongues are real.

If it brings glory to God? Is that not a proof? (I provided an example many pages back)

 

[RickyZ]

There's no reason for prophecy anymore. All the prophecies have been given and there's no longer a necessity for them. The gift of prophesy isn't the same thing as a prophet or apostle who prophesy's. Tongues were necessary for the early emerging church. after the churches foundation was laid, and the church established, there was no need for tongues, prophets, or apostles. They became "obsolete."

Prophecy today is not new revelation, but the application of existing revelation to new situations and people. God may have said something thousands of years ago, that doesn't mean there aren't people who need to hear it today.

What is the purpose of the gifts? If they are to lend credence to certain authors, yes they are obsolete. If they are to bring God's restorative power to people, then they are not. What are you looking for? A book, or the promised redemption of creation? Those who are still looking for the promised redemption (not the redeemer, but the redemption) still operate in the gifts. Those who think the end-all be-all is a book, congrats. Your search is over.

 

[RickyZ]

There's no reason for prophecy anymore. All the prophecies have been given and there's no longer a necessity for them. The gift of prophesy isn't the same thing as a prophet or apostle who prophesy's. Tongues were necessary for the early emerging church. after the churches foundation was laid, and the church established, there was no need for tongues, prophets, or apostles. They became "obsolete."

I invite you to join in here and explain this further

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/1-cor-13-10-what-is-perfection.178322/

 

[DudleyDorite]

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If it brings glory to God? Is that not a proof? (I provided an example many pages back)

Just like any of the other gifts, there must be an element of authenticity. I've seen people walk right out of Pentecostal services when someone spoke in tongues. It was always the same person, and it always sounded the same, but with a different message. Spiritual gifts don't bring glory to God unless they can be proven real and authentic.

 

[zone]

Can someone explain to me the uniqueness of this gift of speaking in tongues which most congregations in my neighbourhood insist on acquiring? Is it in any way superior to or more edifying than other gifts?

speaking in tongues was a gift of being able to speak or understand languages they had not learned.
no such gift exists today.
that all ceased with the completion of the doctrines of Christ (new testament).
what you're referring to is a counterfeit "gift" offered by satan.
run from it.

 

[RickyZ]

speaking in tongues was a gift of being able to speak or understand languages they had not learned.
no such gift exists today.
that all ceased with the completion of the doctrines of Christ (new testament).
what you're referring to is a counterfeit "gift" offered by satan.
run from it.

Hey Zone! Good to see you again!

Too bad you are still blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you would like to chime in here: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/1-cor-13-10-what-is-perfection.178322/

 

[notuptome]

speaking in tongues was a gift of being able to speak or understand languages they had not learned.
no such gift exists today.
that all ceased with the completion of the doctrines of Christ (new testament).
what you're referring to is a counterfeit "gift" offered by satan.
run from it.

Interesting to see you are once again allowed to come out and play with the rest of the kids.

Nothing much has changed just the names of the characters.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[RickyZ]

Just like any of the other gifts, there must be an element of authenticity. I've seen people walk right out of Pentecostal services when someone spoke in tongues. It was always the same person, and it always sounded the same, but with a different message. Spiritual gifts don't bring glory to God unless they can be proven real and authentic.

A gift that brings glory to God must be real and authentic. I can see no reason why satan or your flesh would do such a thing.

 

[notuptome]

Hey Zone! Good to see you again!

Too bad you are still blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you would like to chime in here: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/1-cor-13-10-what-is-perfection.178322/

You really must cease from your accusations against the body of Christ. Mean and personal attack that does not reflect the character of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

Hey Zone! Good to see you again!

Too bad you are still blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you would like to chime in here: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/1-cor-13-10-what-is-perfection.178322/

I see you're still pedaling false doctrines....doctrines of devils.
why not repent?

 

[RickyZ]

I see you're still pedaling false doctrines....doctrines of devils.
why not repent?

Because to repent of the truth would be a bad thing.

 

[notuptome]

A gift that brings glory to God must be real and authentic. I can see no reason why satan or your flesh would do such a thing.

Correlation or the appearance of correlation is not causation. The most believable lie is the one that most closely resembles the truth. That is the gift of discernment if I'm correct.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DudleyDorite]

Hey Zone! Good to see you again!

Too bad you are still blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you would like to chime in here: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/1-cor-13-10-what-is-perfection.178322/

People who disagree with speaking in tongues don't blaspheme the holy spirit. People who speak in tongues don't blaspheme the holy spirit, they simply pervert the spirit's ways.

 

[notuptome]

Because to repent of the truth would be a bad thing.

Well at least repent of bad mouthing other believers.

Hey Zone! Good to see you again!

Too bad you are still blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you would like to chime in here: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/1-cor-13-10-what-is-perfection.178322/

Not very Christlike old buddy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[RickyZ]

People who disagree with speaking in tongues don't blaspheme the holy spirit. People who speak in tongues don't blaspheme the holy spirit, they simply pervert the spirit's ways.

People who say that a legitimate act of the Holy Spirit was instead satan's doing, most definitely DO blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Scripture is VERY clear on that.

 

[zone]

People who say that a legitimate act of the Holy Spirit was instead satan's doing, most definitely DO blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Scripture is VERY clear on that.

nobody said that about a legit act of the Spirit. it happened and it was real....real supernatural.
I said it about todays rubbish tongues stuff.
all doctrines of demons.

 

[zone]

Can someone explain to me the uniqueness of this gift of speaking in tongues which most congregations in my neighbourhood insist on acquiring? Is it in any way superior to or more edifying than other gifts?

look at my threads on pentecostalism

 

[DudleyDorite]

People who say that a legitimate act of the Holy Spirit was instead satan's doing, most definitely DO blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Scripture is VERY clear on that.

So what your doing is passing judgment on people who disagree with you to the point of condemning people. Isn't that nice.

 

[RickyZ]

So what your doing is passing judgment on people who disagree with you to the point of condemning people. Isn't that nice.

You are absolutely right. My apologies for mouthing off and judging. It isn't my call to make.

But it is God's:

Mark3:
20Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”

22And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

23So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. 28Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

30He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

 

[RickyZ]

nobody said that about a legit act of the Spirit. it happened and it was real....real supernatural.
I said it about todays rubbish tongues stuff.
all doctrines of demons.

If you deny all tongues today, if you say they have completely ceased, then you deny the legitimate uses and attribute those to demons.