Something to discuss.........

[Relena7]

Okay, I've thought up 6 fictional examples now. 3 of each. And after thinking it over, I agree with Ritter. Neither sound good.



Right thing for wrong reason = Going to college...but only to please other people, not because you want to.

Wrong thing for right reason = Death sentence for dangerous criminals?

Right thing for wrong reason = A rookie authority figure telling someone off and being a jerk at someone for breaking some rule, wrong reason being they are power hungry and egotistical and they get a rush from being bossy.

Wrong thing for right reason = Yelling at girl scouts "NO I DON'T WANT ANY COOKIES! GO AWAY!" because you are diabetic and your doc told you to avoid sweets.

Right thing for wrong reason = Doing nice charitable things for others, but only out of guilt, or to make yourself look good. Not cause you care.

Wrong thing for right reason = Being overly strict of your child and stunting their development in the real world. Reason being because you love them and don't want anything bad to happen to them.

 

[Snackersmom]

So, Snackersmom...

If you just "happened" to "accidentally" unleash Snackers on me and he "happened" to "accidentally" start gnawing at my leg with GOOD intent but for all the WRONG reasons... then had a sudden heartfelt change and started chewing on my leg for all the RIGHT reasons but with BAD intent...

Can I still have my leg back???!!

LOL!!!!!! Snackers doesn't bite, unless you want to count the biting sarcasm he sometimes uses, hehehe .
However, given the choice, Snackers will generally do the wrong thing for wrong reason . I'm trying to teach him a better way, but he hasn't been very, ah, "shapeable" since his kiln experience, and is now quite hard-headed (ceramicist humor) . Let that be a lesson to all of us to keep letting The Great Potter shape us into the vessels He wants us to be! 'Cause there's no more shaping clay after it dries out and gets brittle......the next step is getting "fired"!

Julianna: I know what you mean about meaning well but getting ahead of God, with less-than stunning results. I've done that, too .
I hope Snackers isn't ready for Santa. He received coal in his stocking a few years ago, and ever since then, "getting ready for Santa" means booby-trapping the living room. So far, I've managed to stay one step ahead of him, but his plots are getting more elaborate, and I'm becoming quite concerned .

Ritter: Interesting point about leaders with "good" results, yet bad intentions, I hadn't thought about that. Please elaborate, if you are so inclined

Relena: I see what you mean about needing examples . I really liked your last two, and the one about the cookies made me laugh . I'll come back with a few biblical examples to add to the list.

I honestly didn't mean to sound like I was trying to trip anyone up, this wasn't supposed to be a riddle with "right" or "wrong" answers. Just something for us to talk about, I promise .

 

[Ritter]

Ritter: Interesting point about leaders with "good" results, yet bad intentions, I hadn't thought about that. Please elaborate, if you are so inclined

I suppose what I am going for is something not listed. I'll establish operational definitions to clarify my point. I read good or bad intentions as those with an objective quality. People rarely knowingly pursue something bad. If they do, they like cloaking it in some sort of self-righteousness. "Good actions" include good objectives.

On one hand I have an objective standard of value that can be deemed good/evil or wise/foolish from the standpoint of transcendent law. On the other I have a category for how the individual or group views their goals/actions. If their intentions/actions are "good" but the end goal objectively against what custom and God's order dictate, then they set themselves and those around them up for a terrestrial Hell.

It all flows from the modern notion of revolution. Picture a world without elements of the aristocracy in the body politic, seeking to undermine the goals of a regime with its supposed basis in liberty, equality, and fraternity...so did Robbespierre.

Picture a world dominated not by vulgar class interest and imperial aims of that false construct known as the "nation"...so did Karl Marx.

I could also use Nazi Germany, Islamofascism, or a few fun ancient examples.

Sorry for twisting the terminology around and thus derail the thread a little. I only wish to be understood.

 

[GreenNnice]

I suppose what I am going for is something not listed. I'll establish operational definitions to clarify my point. I read good or bad intentions as those with an objective quality. People rarely knowingly pursue something bad. If they do, they like cloaking it in some sort of self-righteousness. "Good actions" include good objectives.

On one hand I have an objective standard of value that can be deemed good/evil or wise/foolish from the standpoint of transcendent law. On the other I have a category for how the individual or group views their goals/actions. If their intentions/actions are "good" but the end goal objectively against what custom and God's order dictate, then they set themselves and those around them up for a terrestrial Hell.

It all flows from the modern notion of revolution. Picture a world without elements of the aristocracy in the body politic, seeking to undermine the goals of a regime with its supposed basis in liberty, equality, and fraternity...so did Robbespierre.

Picture a world dominated not by vulgar class interest and imperial aims of that false construct known as the "nation"...so did Karl Marx.

I could also use Nazi Germany, Islamofascism, or a few fun ancient examples.

Sorry for twisting the terminology around and thus derail the thread a little. I only wish to be understood.

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This philosophy of conscience does't derail the twine at all, ritt.

Au contraire, quite the opposite. I especially like the 'terrestrial Hell.'
Indeed , we choose a means to do something with good intentions, for good reasons in our mind, which ' which 'sounds good at the time, as julieannie said, will still have bad results, ultimately, if what we do is against God's ways/will/laws.
You know the saying probably, 'People in Hell had good intentions,' and, it speaks of why we want to have more, MUCH more than just good intentions, like feeding the poor, clothing, the needy, etc.. In the gospels, there are those that said to Jesus, 'We cast out demons in your name, we did....'

And God said to them, rebukedly, 'Get away from me, evildoer, I never knew you.'

I am lazy, I will let someone unlazy, like Relselena, the examples princess, look up that verse.