Yes, so when was this revealed?
When it was revealed is irrelevant, When did the body first form is the relevant question. It was formed by the first disciples. It grew larger when gentiles were allowed to become part of the BOC.
Yes, so when was this revealed?
Christ was purposed from before the foundation of the world to be the Savior of all who believe by grace through faith. Failing to grasp that, one must wonder: what is it about Christianity you do understand?If you agree the Body of Christ has not replaced Israel, why do you insist that the New Covenant, that was explicitly stated to be cut with Israel in Hebrews 8:8, is also cut with us?
Christ was purposed from before the foundation of the world to be the Savior of all who believe by grace through faith. Failing to grasp that, one must wonder: what is it about Christianity you do understand?
When it was revealed is irrelevant, When did the body first form is the relevant question. It was formed by the first disciples. It grew larger when gentiles were allowed to become part of the BOC.
Alright then, we can agree to disagree here.
Except there is nothing in my post that can be disagreed with.
Of course, we are always the protagonist in our own minds remember?![]()
This is just avoidance. You wrongly claim the BOC is separate from Israel but Paul writes Israel (Jews) and Gentiles (non-Jews) are the BOC.
Romans 10:1
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Try replacing the bolded term with BOC and see whether it still makes sense to you
He is speaking of faithless Israel, not those who accept Christ and are in the BOC. Never confuse non-believers with believers.
But you do agree that Israel is not equivalent to the Body of Christ, at least not in that verse right?
There is true Israel, and faithless Israel. It is unwise to confuse the two. True Israel was the first to become the BOC.
This common method of yours, that I have encountered numerous times, makes your argument a tautological one.
Whenever it suits your purpose, you can deemed the term "Israel" stated in Scripture, to be either true Israel, or faithless Israel.
Obviously the Israel Paul wrote of in the last scripture you referenced was the unsaved, non-Christian Israel. That is not established by simply deciding it based on "when it suits your purpose".
Hebrews is quoting Jeremiah predicting the NC. Do you deny Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world to be the Savior of all who would believe by grace through faith is His shed righteous blood for the remission of sin that we might be reconciled to God?Does what you say implies we are under the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:8?
Hebrews is quoting Jeremiah predicting the NC. Do you deny Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world to be the Savior of all who would believe by grace through faith is His shed righteous blood for the remission of sin that we might be reconciled to God?
Where do you get this?No, that's wrong.
Israel is the body of Christ. Gentiles that believe in Christ join that body.
Israel is the Church. Gentiles that believe in Christ join that Church.
Israel is the Bride of Christ. Gentiles that believe in Christ join that Bride.
Actually there was a Roman family (gentile) who also received the gospel,According to the bible. Don't you understand the gospel went to Israel first and the first disciples were Jewish? That was the beginning of the body of Christ, Jews of Israel. Gentiles did not join that body of Christ until later.
Your theology that Israel and the body of Christ are separate groups is non-biblical.
Actually Christ as the suffering servant was the mystery. The body of Christ was no mystery, the Oat speaks of the word going to gentiles as shown in a post aboveThe Body of Christ was a secret, a mystery that was hidden in God, only to be revealed to the apostle Paul later on (Ephesians 3:9).
So I could say yours is unbiblical as well, but then again, we are always the protagonist in our own minds.
Again, I point you to Cornelius in acts 10.That doesn't change that the first disciples were Jewish and were the first to form the body of Christ and that Gentiles joined the BOC later.