Some things about the law that need explaining.
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This is correct as I already pointed out. But that is not the same thing as reverting to the Old Covenant and trying to make a mishmash of both the Covenants (which is what the OP has been doing all along). Indeed, the Judaizers were falsely teaching that unless Christians were Torah observant, they could not be saved (as we note in the NT).
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Christ FULFILLED the Law of Moses.
Think not that I am come to destroy [καταλῦσαι (katalysai) = to destroy or overthrow, annul, abrogate, subvert, or discard] the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil [πληρῶσαι (plērōsai) = to make full, to complete, or make complete in every particular, to consummate] (Matthew 5:17)
What did the Lord Jesus Christ mean when He said that He had come to fulfil the Law?
The Law He was referring to was the Torah, also called by Him the Law of Moses. So we need to see what there was within the Torah which was fulfilled by Christ, and why the Law of Moses is now NULL AND VOID.
1. Christ fulfilled all the prophecies concerning Himself which were given in the first five books of the Bible (as well as throughout the OT).
2. Christ fulfilled all the types and shadows about Himself which were in the Torah.
3. Christ fulfilled the just demands of a holy God that a Man should obey the Law perfectly and live thereby.
4. Christ brought out the inner and spiritual meaning of the Ten Commandments which are necessary for the New Covenant.
5. Christ fulfilled all the sacrifices of the Law within Himself as the Lamb of God. He became the Whole Burnt Offering, the Meal Offering (called the Meat Offering in the KJV), the Peace Offering, the Sin Offering, the Trespass Offering, and all the sacrifices of the Day of Atonement. He also became the Passover Lamb.
6. Christ took the curse of the Law upon Himself by hanging on that cross, thus cancelled out the curse on sinners.
7. Christ brought the entire system of worship contained within the Law to an end. The Levitical priesthood, the temple, the temple sacrifices, the feasts, festivals, and holy days connected with this worship, and all the ceremonial observances which were enjoined on Israel came to an end when the veil in the temple was supernaturally torn from top to bottom on the day He died.
8. Christ ushered in the New Covenant with His death, and ratified it with His shed blood. He also fulfilled the Feast of Passover on that day, the 14th of Nisan in the year AD 30.
9. Christ fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits on the day of His resurrection (the first day of the week, or the morrow after the Sabbath).
10. Christ brought the need for physical circumcision to an end through the necessity of the New Birth, which requires the circumcision of the heart through repentance.
11. Christ brought the promise of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to fulfillment on the day of Pentecost, and thus fulfilled that feast.
12. Christ entered into the heavenly Sanctuary with His own blood, and sprinkled it on the heavenly Mercy Seat. At the same time He became our Great High Priest and Advocate in Heaven, thus opening the way for each one to come directly to the Throne of Grace.
13. Christ distilled all 613 commandments of the Torah into the Law of Christ, which is the Law of Love or the Law of Liberty, thus called the Royal Law. Now Love is the fulfillment of the Law for those who have been saved by grace and washed in the blood of the Lamb.
14. The Law of Moses contained the Old Covenant. But the Law of Christ contains the New Covenant, which is infinitely better according to the epistle to the Hebrews. Thus anyone who now reverts to Torah observance is in direct disobedience and rebellion
Think not that I am come to destroy [καταλῦσαι (katalysai) = to destroy or overthrow, annul, abrogate, subvert, or discard] the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil [πληρῶσαι (plērōsai) = to make full, to complete, or make complete in every particular, to consummate] (Matthew 5:17)
What did the Lord Jesus Christ mean when He said that He had come to fulfil the Law?
The Law He was referring to was the Torah, also called by Him the Law of Moses. So we need to see what there was within the Torah which was fulfilled by Christ, and why the Law of Moses is now NULL AND VOID.
1. Christ fulfilled all the prophecies concerning Himself which were given in the first five books of the Bible (as well as throughout the OT).
2. Christ fulfilled all the types and shadows about Himself which were in the Torah.
3. Christ fulfilled the just demands of a holy God that a Man should obey the Law perfectly and live thereby.
4. Christ brought out the inner and spiritual meaning of the Ten Commandments which are necessary for the New Covenant.
5. Christ fulfilled all the sacrifices of the Law within Himself as the Lamb of God. He became the Whole Burnt Offering, the Meal Offering (called the Meat Offering in the KJV), the Peace Offering, the Sin Offering, the Trespass Offering, and all the sacrifices of the Day of Atonement. He also became the Passover Lamb.
6. Christ took the curse of the Law upon Himself by hanging on that cross, thus cancelled out the curse on sinners.
7. Christ brought the entire system of worship contained within the Law to an end. The Levitical priesthood, the temple, the temple sacrifices, the feasts, festivals, and holy days connected with this worship, and all the ceremonial observances which were enjoined on Israel came to an end when the veil in the temple was supernaturally torn from top to bottom on the day He died.
8. Christ ushered in the New Covenant with His death, and ratified it with His shed blood. He also fulfilled the Feast of Passover on that day, the 14th of Nisan in the year AD 30.
9. Christ fulfilled the Feast of First Fruits on the day of His resurrection (the first day of the week, or the morrow after the Sabbath).
10. Christ brought the need for physical circumcision to an end through the necessity of the New Birth, which requires the circumcision of the heart through repentance.
11. Christ brought the promise of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to fulfillment on the day of Pentecost, and thus fulfilled that feast.
12. Christ entered into the heavenly Sanctuary with His own blood, and sprinkled it on the heavenly Mercy Seat. At the same time He became our Great High Priest and Advocate in Heaven, thus opening the way for each one to come directly to the Throne of Grace.
13. Christ distilled all 613 commandments of the Torah into the Law of Christ, which is the Law of Love or the Law of Liberty, thus called the Royal Law. Now Love is the fulfillment of the Law for those who have been saved by grace and washed in the blood of the Lamb.
14. The Law of Moses contained the Old Covenant. But the Law of Christ contains the New Covenant, which is infinitely better according to the epistle to the Hebrews. Thus anyone who now reverts to Torah observance is in direct disobedience and rebellion
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Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they brake, although I was an Husband unto them, saith the LORD
(Jeremiah 31:32)
in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
I will even betroth thee unto Me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.
(Hosea 2:18-20)
why should i think that because He says He will make a covenant with both the house of Israel & the house of Judah, that they are the only ones with which He will make such a covenant, seeing that it is explicitly not according to the old covenant that He made specifically and only with Israel -- of whom Judah is part -- at Horeb, at Sinai? through Hosea He says it is like the covenant He made with Noah - which was also with every living soul ((Genesis 9:9-12)) - was that covenant not made also with Judah, just because it wasn't made exclusively with Judah?
well i mean what are you, if you know your dog is a hazard to society at large, and you don't somehow keep it restrained, whether in the earth or behind a wall?
are you not a murderer? suppose i could put out a fire but i refrain from doing it, instead knowingly & willfully choosing to let it burn until all my neighbors are destroyed. am i guilty.
are you not a murderer? suppose i could put out a fire but i refrain from doing it, instead knowingly & willfully choosing to let it burn until all my neighbors are destroyed. am i guilty.
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Understanding the covenants, understanding what is eternal about them from God is NOT making a mishmash as you are incorrectly accusing, . It is reading scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit instead of reading it as only a person of the flesh.
The holy spirit tells us many things about the Lord, it tells us the Lord is Holy, the Lord is truth, the Lord is love. If you don't accept the Lord as He truly is as you read, then you say the Lord makes mistakes, the Lord does not help us, the Lord had to cancel all His promises of the old covenant. That is fleshly reading, not reading with the holy spirit. The Lord tells us He made a better covenant and now the old one is obsolete. Listen to the Lord. The Lord did NOT tell us every promise he made before the new covenant is cancelled and the Lord will never honor them again.
The holy spirit tells us many things about the Lord, it tells us the Lord is Holy, the Lord is truth, the Lord is love. If you don't accept the Lord as He truly is as you read, then you say the Lord makes mistakes, the Lord does not help us, the Lord had to cancel all His promises of the old covenant. That is fleshly reading, not reading with the holy spirit. The Lord tells us He made a better covenant and now the old one is obsolete. Listen to the Lord. The Lord did NOT tell us every promise he made before the new covenant is cancelled and the Lord will never honor them again.
I was asking you a question to understand where you are coming from. You will be surprised to know how many Christians regard the church as some form of "spiritual Israel or spiritual Jew".
So if you do believe the church is neither of the 2 houses, why do you still think the New Covenant is made with the church when Hebrews 8:8 stated otherwise.
Are you thinking of "another" new covenant that is different from the one in Hebrews 8:8?
So if you do believe the church is neither of the 2 houses, why do you still think the New Covenant is made with the church when Hebrews 8:8 stated otherwise.
Are you thinking of "another" new covenant that is different from the one in Hebrews 8:8?
Indications that the Ten Commandments have always existed and were not only given to Israel:
The bible does not tell us everything, but there are clues in the bible that indicate that God did communicate what sin is and that there were commandments given to mankind before even Israel existed.
Sin of Adultery
Potiphar’s wife wanted to commit adultery with Joseph and this was Joseph’s response to her in Genesis 39:9, “There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back anything from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?”
How did Joseph know that committing adultery was a sin, if there was no commandment initially given that states that adultery is a sin? The statement indicates that there was a commandment communicated to Joseph and that commandment said that adultery is a sin against God. Since we do not naturally know what is right or wrong, only God could have communicated that adultery is a sin. However, since the bible does not tell us everything, we do not know when the communication happened and to who it was initially communicated to.
Sin of Murder
Cain murdered his brother Abel and God punished him for doing so (Genesis 4:11-12). If there is no commandment that says thou shalt not commit murder, a punishment for committing murder cannot be given.
In Genesis 4:7, God warns Cain about the sin of murder which He foresees that Cain will commit. It says “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
Sin of Adultery and Lying
Genesis 13:13 says, “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.”
The men of Sodom were accused of being sinners, which means that they were law breakers (1 John 3:4). The book of Jeremiah indicates that some of the sins of Sodom were adultery and lying.
Jeremiah 23:14 says “I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.”
Sin of Stealing
Genesis 44:8 says, “Behold, the money, which we found in our sacks' mouths, we brought again unto thee out of the land of Canaan: how then should we steal out of thy lord's house silver or gold?”
In Genesis Chapter 44, Joseph’s servant accused Joseph’s brothers of taking Joseph’s silver cup. Joseph’s brothers state that they did not steal the silver cup. They interpreted the accusation of taking the silver cup as the same as been accused of stealing it. Meaning that they were given the understanding that taking something that does not belong to you is stealing.
Looking at what happened in Genesis, it indicates that God’s commandments have always been there from the beginning of creation and that there was a law. And this law included the commandments of God. Therefore the commandments of God were not only given to Israel, but were given before them, although the bible does not state when the communication actually happened.
1 John 3:4 says, “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”
Where there is no law, no one can be accused of sin. And book of Genesis has had many people accused of sin, which indicates that there was a law.
The bible does not tell us everything, but there are clues in the bible that indicate that God did communicate what sin is and that there were commandments given to mankind before even Israel existed.
Sin of Adultery
Potiphar’s wife wanted to commit adultery with Joseph and this was Joseph’s response to her in Genesis 39:9, “There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back anything from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?”
How did Joseph know that committing adultery was a sin, if there was no commandment initially given that states that adultery is a sin? The statement indicates that there was a commandment communicated to Joseph and that commandment said that adultery is a sin against God. Since we do not naturally know what is right or wrong, only God could have communicated that adultery is a sin. However, since the bible does not tell us everything, we do not know when the communication happened and to who it was initially communicated to.
Sin of Murder
Cain murdered his brother Abel and God punished him for doing so (Genesis 4:11-12). If there is no commandment that says thou shalt not commit murder, a punishment for committing murder cannot be given.
In Genesis 4:7, God warns Cain about the sin of murder which He foresees that Cain will commit. It says “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
Sin of Adultery and Lying
Genesis 13:13 says, “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.”
The men of Sodom were accused of being sinners, which means that they were law breakers (1 John 3:4). The book of Jeremiah indicates that some of the sins of Sodom were adultery and lying.
Jeremiah 23:14 says “I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.”
Sin of Stealing
Genesis 44:8 says, “Behold, the money, which we found in our sacks' mouths, we brought again unto thee out of the land of Canaan: how then should we steal out of thy lord's house silver or gold?”
In Genesis Chapter 44, Joseph’s servant accused Joseph’s brothers of taking Joseph’s silver cup. Joseph’s brothers state that they did not steal the silver cup. They interpreted the accusation of taking the silver cup as the same as been accused of stealing it. Meaning that they were given the understanding that taking something that does not belong to you is stealing.
Looking at what happened in Genesis, it indicates that God’s commandments have always been there from the beginning of creation and that there was a law. And this law included the commandments of God. Therefore the commandments of God were not only given to Israel, but were given before them, although the bible does not state when the communication actually happened.
1 John 3:4 says, “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”
Where there is no law, no one can be accused of sin. And book of Genesis has had many people accused of sin, which indicates that there was a law.
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