SO MANY FALSE PASTORS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!

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Many (not all) of these men and women who inhabit the pulpit have exalted themselves above correction,

That describes Most Pastors who Preach in the Church buildings today -----Not many Pastors are Born Again ----Most are Wolves in Sheep's clothing -----sending their flocks to Hell and smiling every Sunday on their way home ----after deceiving the people in the pews -----

Preaching their own Doctrine and or twisting Scripture to suit their own agenda ------

So it is not just the Mega Churches that Satan is involved in ---it is most main stream Churches in this world today -----

So people -----know your Scriptures inside out so you know who is Preaching Truth and who is preaching False Doctrine -----
 
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On and on they will brag about what they have never done to lose their salvation, as if they can prove those items are the threshold for loss, and yet they have not one verse of scripture to show those items as that imaginary line. They end up basking in a contrived comfort rooted in their self pride. Either way, it's a miserable existence with the latter being a false, fleshly comfort.

I just reread this post and it bears repeating. it just seems that there are so many around who preach a false gospel of salvation that can be lost or revoked.

"On and on they will brag about what they have never done to lose their salvation, as if they can prove those items are the threshold for loss, and yet they have not one verse of scripture to show those items as that imaginary line. ✔️

They end up basking in a contrived comfort rooted in their self pride. ✔️

Either way, it's a miserable existence with the latter being a false, fleshly comfort." ✔️
 
I sooo agree. While they have shown themselves to be the false teachers Yeshua speaks of, they are keeping those away who truly want to teach God's Word... THE TRUTH OF IT... from the ORIGINAL writers... not their lies, additions and twisting of it to fit their own agendas. I am one such pastor. I have walked out of so many false churches. so, I "preach online". What God gives me, I put out there and ask God to "go for it" in bringing readers to the truth. I get absolutely nothing for it (actually I pay into it myself), but the joy of knowing that SOMEONE is getting the truth, and prayerfully I ask that some be touched by it and come to receive Yeshua onto the throne of their hearts. Amen! Shalom, Shalom, all.
so do you have someone, another Christian friend or mentor that you’re accountable to each other?
 
I believe every pastor needs to have an accountability partner; someone who is not afraid to speak truth in love. No “yes men”. Every Christian, not just pastors need someone with whom they can share what God is saying or leading them and will speak the truth of the word of God into their lives as Holy Spirit leads. Not that I’m saying this about because I’ve never heard you preach, but there are rogue teachers on You Tube that can be just as scary as what you call false pastors.
 
so do you have someone, another Christian friend or mentor that you’re accountable to each other?

Perhaps you should define how one sorts through others in order to wisely choose to whom they become accountable. Accountability seems to be on the level of religious frenzy within churchianity with little to no teaching for discerning the spiritual stature of the one to whom one would make himself accountable. Spiritual giants are naturally accountable one to another, but they also realize they are not attaching themselves to an immature and cultic clown or a babe in the faith.

So, how would you advise someone to ensure they have chosen to subject themselves to the right proclaimer of faith?

MM
 
I believe every pastor needs to have an accountability partner; someone who is not afraid to speak truth in love. No “yes men”. Every Christian, not just pastors need someone with whom they can share what God is saying or leading them and will speak the truth of the word of God into their lives as Holy Spirit leads. Not that I’m saying this about because I’ve never heard you preach, but there are rogue teachers on You Tube that can be just as scary as what you call false pastors.

First they have to get past their pride and its trappings for being the one behind that pulpit. I know firsthand the rushes of pride that come with being the one behind that pulpit, the one in the limelight. Any man who would deny that phenomenon is a liar. It's the battle professional pastors have to fight...or give in. Making themselves subject to anyone beyond the so-called "board of elders" who are nothing more than either selected men (and even women in some cases) or elected by the people or other of the professional staffing.

This highlights yet another of the many weaknesses built into the institutional system with its being a man-made phenomenon.

MM
 
Perhaps you should define how one sorts through others in order to wisely choose to whom they become accountable. Accountability seems to be on the level of religious frenzy within churchianity with little to no teaching for discerning the spiritual stature of the one to whom one would make himself accountable. Spiritual giants are naturally accountable one to another, but they also realize they are not attaching themselves to an immature and cultic clown or a babe in the faith.

So, how would you advise someone to ensure they have chosen to subject themselves to the right proclaimer of faith?

MM

I believe its Important to be very careful with whom you share any confidence. And I would be very carefulI and not just let anyone speak into my life. And yes, spiritual giants are accountable to one another but they weren’t always giants. Don’t you think they ever submitted themselves to other pastors or teachers and were mentored in some way?

So how would you advise someone when it comes to accountability ?
 
I believe its Important to be very careful with whom you share any confidence. And I would be very carefulI and not just let anyone speak into my life. And yes, spiritual giants are accountable to one another but they weren’t always giants. Don’t you think they ever submitted themselves to other pastors or teachers and were mentored in some way?

So how would you advise someone when it comes to accountability ?

A common misconception many harbor is the assumption that all those guys behind pulpits are spiritual giants. There are some in the pews who are of a stature that many of those men will never reach in this life.

As to discerning the choice(s) for the level of accountability you're addressing, that can only be accomplished wisely through council from the One Source the scriptures reveal to us in 1 John 2:27.

Peter, an apostle to Israel and those under the Kingdom Gospel advised them to be "subject" one to another, especially the younger to the elder. Given that he was an apostle to the circumcision (Israel), we see that he spoke of no standard to them for how they were to pick someone as an accountability partner. His instruction to them was an undefined level of subjection one to another. He made no demands for accountability in the sense of what churchianity teaches.

Paul, the apostle to Gentiles and the body of Christ today, issued no instruction as to a so-called "accountability partner." He taught accountability among believers in general, emphasizing mutual, spiritual support, correction, but with ultimate accountability to God, evident in passages like Romans 15:14 (instructing believers to build each other up) and Galatians 6:1 (restoring someone caught in sin).

So, as you rightly, although indirectly, pointed out, it can be difficult finding that one special individual to whom one chooses to elevate the level of authority over himself out to another, which is an extra-biblical concept...that is to say, it's not wrong in and of itself, but rather one must indeed be very careful about embarking out into the giving out, or sharing, of his or her self-governance to someone other than Holy Spirit.

You see, this can and is one among many deceptive tools used by Satan, with people thinking they can rightly hand over accountability to some professional "pastor" or some other level of "clergy." No. This is something that must be handled with great care given the wolves in sheep's clothing phenomenon. I had once foolishly placed myself under a "pastor" who was imprisoned for 10 years for money laundering funds he thought was coming from drug cartel but turned out to be Federal Agents. Nobody dreamt he was of that caliber of character, but low and behold... I was so enamored with this belief for accountability partners and everyone's alleged need for one. Pure nonsense given that all true believers are indwelt by Holy Spirit. Is that not enough?

It's inevitable that some will ask how something so seemingly good could become a tool against themselves. Scriptural instuction should suffice in waylaying the desire to grant another oversight of his or her life that should be rooted in living and breathing spiritual vitality that builds one up through sanctification empowered by Holy Spirit; while being established in mutual accountability with fellow believers that need not go to the level of accountability, in every case, of which you speak. If one is living a secret sin, then he should seek a truly spiritual giant for counseling rather than relinquishing total accountabillity to another fallen individual in the place of Holy Spirit, who is more capable than any man as to what's best for each individual.

So, do you now see how this teaching can lead to something capable of becoming weaponized against the believer, no matter how much care one may try to ecercise in the choice of accountability partner? We all must remain warry of any and all nice sounding concepts that deviate from the clear language of instructions within scripture. Mutual accountability doesn't mean the sharing of the dirty little secrets in one's life to every other person one thinks is a true believer. Counsel is something sought in the right circumstances with each individual remaining accountable at the highest levels to Holy Spirit above all others.

It's the simplest of instructions in scripture that are the most easily corrupted into nice sounding concepts that are the go-to inroads for the enemy to weaponize against the believer.

MM
 
Point taken. Im sorry you were deceived by a “pastor” and that must have been a real faith shaker. By your comments and words used like “churchianity” it’s pretty apparent that his deception hurt you badly, but I’m assuming so please show grace to me if I’m wrong. There are many spiritual giants sitting in pews today and they are doing what they’re called to do and very effective at it to the glory of God. i Minister mostly in prisons and jails but if I am the official speaker for a service and don’t feel the gravity and the awesome amount of spiritual accountability I am responsible for then I am just talking and no more than Yada Yada and I won’t do that; I won’t be an ear tickler.…. getting in a pulpit may be a high to some but it’s a grave responsibility to me and I don’t want to mess it up. My ex husband, who by the way pastored for a while until God removed him, told me once that he wanted to pastor because he wanted to be “up front and noticed”. Made my skin crawl. Needless to say we have been divorced for many years and as far as I know he is not in ministry. God help him; I pray he’s changed.

On the other hand I don’t believe every pastor is a heretical deceiver and is smooth talking their people into hell. But they’re out there. If pastors are true shepherds they will speak the truth and not gloss over sin. So few preach repentance anymore but there can be no forgiveness for sin without it. “Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is”. (Ephesians 5). We as Christians whether we are in full time paid ministry or a pew warmer are responsible to be able to discern light from darkness and to know the voice of God To help correct (in love) those who have been or are being deceived. And if we take this assignment lightly then we are not worthy of it.
And I believe in the effectiveness of altar calls and altar ministry. Why preach salvation if you don’t give people an opportunity to receive it? God has done more in me on my knees at the altar than anywhere else. Kneeling at the altar is surrender and it’s effective but not popular and it grieves me that it’s being phased out. Sorry for the sermon 🤭
 
Point taken. Im sorry you were deceived by a “pastor” and that must have been a real faith shaker. By your comments and words used like “churchianity” it’s pretty apparent that his deception hurt you badly, but I’m assuming so please show grace to me if I’m wrong. There are many spiritual giants sitting in pews today and they are doing what they’re called to do and very effective at it to the glory of God. i Minister mostly in prisons and jails but if I am the official speaker for a service and don’t feel the gravity and the awesome amount of spiritual accountability I am responsible for then I am just talking and no more than Yada Yada and I won’t do that; I won’t be an ear tickler.…. getting in a pulpit may be a high to some but it’s a grave responsibility to me and I don’t want to mess it up. My ex husband, who by the way pastored for a while until God removed him, told me once that he wanted to pastor because he wanted to be “up front and noticed”. Made my skin crawl. Needless to say we have been divorced for many years and as far as I know he is not in ministry. God help him; I pray he’s changed.

That's a very common go-to for most when it comes to the institutional model and its most ardent followers and defenders. No offense taken. I'm very comfortable with my reasons for leaving the institutional model behind. I ministered within it for many years, whether behind the pulpit, in the Sunday school classrooms, on the radio as an on-air personality, etc.

My realizations of the institutional model being man-made rather than God-breathed, that was the basis for my taking a deeper, more critical look into it's a-typical expressions, paradigms, stringent structuring...and just how Roman Catholic it all is in modeling such elements as the clergy-laity class divides. It's all very man-centric in many, many ways, upon which I could write books about.

On the other hand I don’t believe every pastor is a heretical deceiver and is smooth talking their people into hell. But they’re out there.

Agreed. That also goes for all the armchair experts in these forums misleading others through deceptively slanted argumentations that actually lack credible, biblical backing but with strong emotional appeals. So, yes, it's not ONLY professional clergy misleading others. Some cultic slants in theology are at play here, the strongest being those that have a long history of following and even great gains in popularity in modern times, such as TULIP.

If pastors are true shepherds they will speak the truth and not gloss over sin. So few preach repentance anymore but there can be no forgiveness for sin without it. “Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is”. (Ephesians 5).

I don't see any crisis to salvation in that verse nor it's context, but that's another conversation entirely.

We as Christians whether we are in full time paid ministry or a pew warmer are responsible to be able to discern light from darkness and to know the voice of God To help correct (in love) those who have been or are being deceived. And if we take this assignment lightly then we are not worthy of it.

Good point. The main barrier today, and even historically, is emotions. So many choose their beliefs on the basis of the strong emotions they have for not only their own feelings about things but also their love for the people who fed them much of the panorama of their false beliefs. Many a time I have shown from scripture to them point-blank the errors in their theology, and their usual response is a statement that they would indeed not like admitting, but that speaks precisely to their sentiments, "I don't care what the scriptures say. This is what I believe and that's all that matters to me."

And I believe in the effectiveness of altar calls and altar ministry. Why preach salvation if you don’t give people an opportunity to receive it? God has done more in me on my knees at the altar than anywhere else. Kneeling at the altar is surrender and it’s effective but not popular and it grieves me that it’s being phased out. Sorry for the sermon 🤭

Evangelism always has a place in saving so long as the right gospel is presented that doesn't dabble in the elements of the Kingdom Gospel preached today by so many, given that we're not under that gospel today that was preached by the Twelve.

Thanks for the feedback and good points.

MM
 
That's a very common go-to for most when it comes to the institutional model and its most ardent followers and defenders. No offense taken. I'm very comfortable with my reasons for leaving the institutional model behind. I ministered within it for many years, whether behind the pulpit, in the Sunday school classrooms, on the radio as an on-air personality, etc.

My realizations of the institutional model being man-made rather than God-breathed, that was the basis for my taking a deeper, more critical look into it's a-typical expressions, paradigms, stringent structuring...and just how Roman Catholic it all is in modeling such elements as the clergy-laity class divides. It's all very man-centric in many, many ways, upon which I could write books about.



Agreed. That also goes for all the armchair experts in these forums misleading others through deceptively slanted argumentations that actually lack credible, biblical backing but with strong emotional appeals. So, yes, it's not ONLY professional clergy misleading others. Some cultic slants in theology are at play here, the strongest being those that have a long history of following and even great gains in popularity in modern times, such as TULIP.



I don't see any crisis to salvation in that verse nor it's context, but that's another conversation entirely.



Good point. The main barrier today, and even historically, is emotions. So many choose their beliefs on the basis of the strong emotions they have for not only their own feelings about things but also their love for the people who fed them much of the panorama of their false beliefs. Many a time I have shown from scripture to them point-blank the errors in their theology, and their usual response is a statement that they would indeed not like admitting, but that speaks precisely to their sentiments, "I don't care what the scriptures say. This is what I believe and that's all that matters to me."



Evangelism always has a place in saving so long as the right gospel is presented that doesn't dabble in the elements of the Kingdom Gospel preached today by so many, given that we're not under that gospel today that was preached by the Twelve.

Thanks for the feedback and good points.

MM

“I don't care what the scriptures say. This is what I believe and that's all that matters to me." Are you kidding me?

unbelievable. whomever taught them this should be better off to be tied a boulder and thrown in the ocean, to quote the Lord Jesus. Grieves my spirit… thanks for the conversation…