Sinning by NOT having Sex?

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Dirtman

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Animal? How about a normal man. For a lot of men, desiring sex doesn't depend on whether she wants it at that exact second. And in some marriages if both had to strongly desire sex at the exact same time, they would almost never have sex.

If you read the title, the thread isn't about getting your spouse to have sex with you, but having sex with your spouse. Sinning by not having sex is about turning your partner down, not your partner turning you down.

Back to the implicit accusation against men who want sex when their wives don't that they are animals, that's degrading to an awful lot of normal men who just have a regular sex drive. There are plenty of wives... and husbands also.... who could be better in this aspect of marriage if they would be willing to have sex when their partner wants it. Some women desire it after they have been 'warmed up' through some affection, and if they open themselves up, they can enjoy it. And there are probably plenty of men like that. I hear it's about 80% of men who want sex more than their wives and 20% of women who want sex more than their husbands. And things might shift with age. Few have exact same desire, and probably almost no couple have husband and wife with the exact same amount of desire for it at all times.



I am sorry your wife had these difficulties. A husband who loves his wife would have to be patient about these things. Many woman... and men... who have not had the same trauma in their lives can be selfish about meeting their partner's needs.

A lot of us use 'have sex' in a way that is not exclusive of 'making love.' We aren't wooing women in the forum, so there is no need for the overly lovey-dovey language unless you just want to use it. We are talking about sexual intercourse.

Anyway, the focus of the thread is the idea that one can sin by defrauding one's partner, not how to extract more sex out of the other partner. Be that as it may, having one's marriage partner meet one's sexual needs can be helpful in that it can lessen temptation. Also 'two shall be one flesh' is a mystery that speaks of Christ and the church. That is one mystery some folks may which to frequently experientially meditate on in their marriage.



I think you are being awfully judgmental. Do you think of sex in marriage as some kind of sort of evil carnal thing? Maybe I missed a post, but I did not see anyone coming down on the side of marital rape. Did someone post on how one should demand sex here that I didn't see?



Since you desired sex when she did not, did that make you an animal?
I think he said enough actually, when he described a very extenuating circumstance concerning the abuse.
He said even more when he said "now ex-wife". Not judging him; there were some serious issues that needed worked through
 

HealthAndHappiness

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No. You may not use force. You may seek marriage counseling from your pastor.
He's constantly falsely accused of crimes by the atheist homosexual crowd. They get first place by the Goober search engine while his channels have been deleted. When someone brings up such accusations of crimes or outrages, you have to consider the source.
I just got done with dinner and decided to listen to one of his latest sermons. The topic of forcing sex, or rape is a big part of the sermon. I like to check source materials whenever possible, rather than railing accusations from Christ hating homos. I'm not saying you or Andrew believe it, but it's more than common that is likely where that gossip originated. Decide for yourself.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/02preaching/Sermons_Pastor_Anderson/Absalom_Part_1.mp4
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Marital rape is not specifically mentioned in the Bible; however that doesn't mean it is allowed. Some issues are not specifically mentioned in the Bible.

We do know that the Bible frowns on rape. A commandment that husbands love their wives, would not include rape. A marital rape also does not reflect the relationship between Christ and Church.

I don't have all the answers, but I do not believe marital rape is the answer. If a husband is found in this situation, best course of action is to pray and the wife may come around. We know that wives are constantly told to pray for their husbands if they husband is wayward, an alcoholic, etc., and sometimes these issues do not get resolved for decades but the husband may eventually come around.
Here's a sermon that will be clear what Brother Anderson thinks about this issue.
Andrew brought something up that like began with one of the hatethiest blogs. They are constantly making railing accusations.
Here's what Anderson says about the subject. He uses the Bible term "force."

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/02preaching/Sermons_Pastor_Anderson/Absalom_Part_1.mp4
 

Dirtman

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He's constantly falsely accused of crimes by the atheist homosexual crowd. They get first place by the Goober search engine while his channels have been deleted. When someone brings up such accusations of crimes or outrages, you have to consider the source.
I just got done with dinner and decided to listen to one of his latest sermons. The topic of forcing sex, or rape is a big part of the sermon. I like to check source materials whenever possible, rather than railing accusations from Christ hating homos. I'm not saying you or Andrew believe it, but it's more than common that is likely where that gossip originated. Decide for yourself.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/02preaching/Sermons_Pastor_Anderson/Absalom_Part_1.mp4
I never concern myself with the wailings of heathens, or their lying accusations.
I dont know this Anderson fellow. Never heard of him until I read this thread.
My only point in the discussion is to say; Christian regardless of legality may not use physical force with their wife.
Also its not in common for a man and his wife to have different sexual desires. If the difference is so much that one feels as though their needs are being neglected, its time for some help. Preferably a good pastor.
 

Dirtman

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He's constantly falsely accused of crimes by the atheist homosexual crowd. They get first place by the Goober search engine while his channels have been deleted. When someone brings up such accusations of crimes or outrages, you have to consider the source.
I just got done with dinner and decided to listen to one of his latest sermons. The topic of forcing sex, or rape is a big part of the sermon. I like to check source materials whenever possible, rather than railing accusations from Christ hating homos. I'm not saying you or Andrew believe it, but it's more than common that is likely where that gossip originated. Decide for yourself.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/02preaching/Sermons_Pastor_Anderson/Absalom_Part_1.mp4
Thats actually a very good message
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Thats actually a very good message
Glad you listened.
I recalled the thread here and thought that it might be fitting for the subject when he was singled out to us.

I was reminded of some important things that I wish I heard as a teenager too. I let a crime a neighbor committed against my family members make me regretful for over a decade. I regretted having not seen justice against a very evil man, wishing I had been allowed to do something. I didn't let it go to God, the Just One.

Did he seem to be clear about the issue of rape/ "forced" sex in this message?
 

Dirtman

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Glad you listened.
I recalled the thread here and thought that it might be fitting for the subject when he was singled out to us.

I was reminded of some important things that I wish I heard as a teenager too. I let a crime a neighbor committed against my family members make me regretful for over a decade. I regretted having not seen justice against a very evil man, wishing I had been allowed to do something. I didn't let it go to God, the Just One.

Did he seem to be clear about the issue of rape/ "forced" sex in this message?
Sure, but I never thought that he advocated any such behavior. Usually any pastor who preaches on the hard messages and is tough on sin is gonna be accused of all kinds of stuff. People will pick one phrase out of a message and twist it to fit thier agenda.
This message has a good multiple message, one dont commit evil acts, and two dont let the evil of others turn you evil., and also dont keep sly folks as company.
This very thing is how evil multiplies, and ruins so many. Ever hear the phrase,"hurt people, hurt people"?

Now days, I pray that God protect His from evil, and that he drive evil folks by what ever means to repentance. By kindness or harshness it dont matter. What ever brings one to repentance.
 
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The other thread started on this subject in the Family Forum, in which I was slandered and had someone loose it because I suggested that folks (Christian married people so let's not go off on another rabbit trail and thank you kindly) had sex because they loved each other, was pretty much sent in all different directions like this one is.

I do see how one person is basically accusing the op of things that are just ridiculous. Face it. Some people cannot be factual or participate without immersing themself into the discussion in a way that is highly personal and not pertinent to the facts. We are all different, and turning the thread into an argument (typical I know) because that is what is occurring, is harmful and ignorant.

I doubt there are animals in the thread or men walking around tripping over the tongues when they see a beautiful woman. Why bring in all the nuts and bolts of your personal experience(s) when the Bible is really and actually very simple in what it states regarding sex?

I will never put out my personal biz anywhere and I find it questionable as to motive, when people think we all have to listen to someone screaming because they had a bad marriage. Hey you should have seen my first marriage. I'm lucky to be alive...well luck is not the right word...but we ALL have stories is what I am saying.

As my brother says, there are reasons for everything. If a person cannot be objective in a discussion about what the Bible states, then maybe they should just listen.
 
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Marital rape is not specifically mentioned in the Bible; however that doesn't mean it is allowed. Some issues are not specifically mentioned in the Bible.

We do know that the Bible frowns on rape. A commandment that husbands love their wives, would not include rape. A marital rape also does not reflect the relationship between Christ and Church.

I don't have all the answers, but I do not believe marital rape is the answer. If a husband is found in this situation, best course of action is to pray and the wife may come around. We know that wives are constantly told to pray for their husbands if they husband is wayward, an alcoholic, etc., and sometimes these issues do not get resolved for decades but the husband may eventually come around.
If we take into account how a Christian should conduct themself and being filled with the Holy Spirit and the passage on love in I Corinthians, I would conclude that rape is not the preferred method for sexual intimacy between 2 believers (or anyone but we are not discussing the world here)

So I agree with what you are saying here. I wonder how it could even be a question
 
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Back to the implicit accusation against men who want sex when their wives don't that they are animals, that's degrading to an awful lot of normal men who just have a regular sex drive. There are plenty of wives... and husbands also.... who could be better in this aspect of marriage if they would be willing to have sex when their partner wants it. Some women desire it after they have been 'warmed up' through some affection, and if they open themselves up, they can enjoy it. And there are probably plenty of men like that. I hear it's about 80% of men who want sex more than their wives and 20% of women who want sex more than their husbands. And things might shift with age. Few have exact same desire, and probably almost no couple have husband and wife with the exact same amount of desire for it at all times.
That's sensible.
 

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Sure, but I never thought that he advocated any such behavior. Usually any pastor who preaches on the hard messages and is tough on sin is gonna be accused of all kinds of stuff. People will pick one phrase out of a message and twist it to fit thier agenda.
This message has a good multiple message, one dont commit evil acts, and two dont let the evil of others turn you evil., and also dont keep sly folks as company.
This very thing is how evil multiplies, and ruins so many. Ever hear the phrase,"hurt people, hurt people"?

Now days, I pray that God protect His from evil, and that he drive evil folks by what ever means to repentance. By kindness or harshness it dont matter. What ever brings one to repentance.
You're right. I didn't bring him up or ask you that because I thought you advocated that he said that. I just wanted to bounce that question off a couple people in this thread since the possibility of marital rape was raised by another.
I read the beginning of the thread and someone else said,

"I'm not sure of Anderson's position on this, but he does not recognise marital rape."

I just wanted to put that question to rest and not give the devil an inroad to shoot down the grace gospel that he preaches, a presentation that I post time to time for those interested.
I've seen enemies elsewhere take a question and turn it into major accusations of crimes, so as to attack the cause of Christ. Again, I agree that you have not done this nor the others.

About that message,
There's some sly folks that infiltrate most groups and churches sooner or later. A lot of damage can be done by the time the leadership becomes aware. I've seen churches destroyed from within by one or two people. For instance, I noticed that some churches are so accepting of volunteers that they aren't always selective. I've seen over half a dozen examples, so it's probably a common problem.
 

TheNarrowPath

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I wonder if the reason you think someone would post on this topic is because of sex life issues is because of your own personal issues and you like to project onto others. My own wife doesn't read forums like this so your rather rude personal assumptions as to my motives make little sense.

My wife and I have been married for over 20 years, our first and only marriage for both of us, both virgins at marriage. From surveys I've looked at, I think we have higher than average sexual frequency.

This issue is a problem in a lot of marriages apparently, and it is a Biblical topic. I do not think I have heard a sermon IRL that addresses the topic. A lot of Christians are not taught it.
I probably could have worded that better. I apologise. I did pray about it. We can agree to disagree.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I read a comment on one of the forums here by a single person about doing something really bad, like having sex. It makes sense for a single person to think that. But for married folks, can't it be a sin to not have sex?

I Corinthians 7

3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
(ESV)
I don’t think it’s actually “ sinning “

I think it’s sort of guidelines for a good marriage that if we take it seriously is going to help prevent either partner from beginning to look outside the marriage to fulfill thier carnal needs.

a lot of the things in scripture are like a good guideline that’s going to bless our situation like in this case marriage , it’s better for them easier to avoid any fornication or adultery of thier needs are being met in the confines of thier marriage

sometimes it’s not a hardened line of “ sin “ but it’s a thing we should follow nd really is wisdom that’s going to bless us later in keeping us from sexual sin or thinking outside of our marriage och can also lead us away