Animal? How about a normal man. For a lot of men, desiring sex doesn't depend on whether she wants it at that exact second. And in some marriages if both had to strongly desire sex at the exact same time, they would almost never have sex.
If you read the title, the thread isn't about getting your spouse to have sex with you, but having sex with your spouse. Sinning by not having sex is about turning your partner down, not your partner turning you down.
Back to the implicit accusation against men who want sex when their wives don't that they are animals, that's degrading to an awful lot of normal men who just have a regular sex drive. There are plenty of wives... and husbands also.... who could be better in this aspect of marriage if they would be willing to have sex when their partner wants it. Some women desire it after they have been 'warmed up' through some affection, and if they open themselves up, they can enjoy it. And there are probably plenty of men like that. I hear it's about 80% of men who want sex more than their wives and 20% of women who want sex more than their husbands. And things might shift with age. Few have exact same desire, and probably almost no couple have husband and wife with the exact same amount of desire for it at all times.
I am sorry your wife had these difficulties. A husband who loves his wife would have to be patient about these things. Many woman... and men... who have not had the same trauma in their lives can be selfish about meeting their partner's needs.
A lot of us use 'have sex' in a way that is not exclusive of 'making love.' We aren't wooing women in the forum, so there is no need for the overly lovey-dovey language unless you just want to use it. We are talking about sexual intercourse.
Anyway, the focus of the thread is the idea that one can sin by defrauding one's partner, not how to extract more sex out of the other partner. Be that as it may, having one's marriage partner meet one's sexual needs can be helpful in that it can lessen temptation. Also 'two shall be one flesh' is a mystery that speaks of Christ and the church. That is one mystery some folks may which to frequently experientially meditate on in their marriage.
I think you are being awfully judgmental. Do you think of sex in marriage as some kind of sort of evil carnal thing? Maybe I missed a post, but I did not see anyone coming down on the side of marital rape. Did someone post on how one should demand sex here that I didn't see?
Since you desired sex when she did not, did that make you an animal?
If you read the title, the thread isn't about getting your spouse to have sex with you, but having sex with your spouse. Sinning by not having sex is about turning your partner down, not your partner turning you down.
Back to the implicit accusation against men who want sex when their wives don't that they are animals, that's degrading to an awful lot of normal men who just have a regular sex drive. There are plenty of wives... and husbands also.... who could be better in this aspect of marriage if they would be willing to have sex when their partner wants it. Some women desire it after they have been 'warmed up' through some affection, and if they open themselves up, they can enjoy it. And there are probably plenty of men like that. I hear it's about 80% of men who want sex more than their wives and 20% of women who want sex more than their husbands. And things might shift with age. Few have exact same desire, and probably almost no couple have husband and wife with the exact same amount of desire for it at all times.
I am sorry your wife had these difficulties. A husband who loves his wife would have to be patient about these things. Many woman... and men... who have not had the same trauma in their lives can be selfish about meeting their partner's needs.
A lot of us use 'have sex' in a way that is not exclusive of 'making love.' We aren't wooing women in the forum, so there is no need for the overly lovey-dovey language unless you just want to use it. We are talking about sexual intercourse.
Anyway, the focus of the thread is the idea that one can sin by defrauding one's partner, not how to extract more sex out of the other partner. Be that as it may, having one's marriage partner meet one's sexual needs can be helpful in that it can lessen temptation. Also 'two shall be one flesh' is a mystery that speaks of Christ and the church. That is one mystery some folks may which to frequently experientially meditate on in their marriage.
I think you are being awfully judgmental. Do you think of sex in marriage as some kind of sort of evil carnal thing? Maybe I missed a post, but I did not see anyone coming down on the side of marital rape. Did someone post on how one should demand sex here that I didn't see?
Since you desired sex when she did not, did that make you an animal?
He said even more when he said "now ex-wife". Not judging him; there were some serious issues that needed worked through