Signs and wonders in comparison to the authority of scripture
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Okay, I thought you meant something like that. I just wanted to make sure you didn't mean the individual Greek letters.
The problem is no one knows if Sinaiticus, for example, is in formation or if it has altered something that came before it. That's why I say it's not sound. The textual critics have gotten way ahead of themselves in a rush to judgement.
The problem is no one knows if Sinaiticus, for example, is in formation or if it has altered something that came before it. That's why I say it's not sound. The textual critics have gotten way ahead of themselves in a rush to judgement.
Well with any field of science, it is healthy to always be critical and to continue looking for truth even if you believe it has already been found.
Faith is required in any historical field of science because just like Alexander the Great we only have manuscripts centuries after his death.
Look at the book of Genesis and the origin of Earth and the universe. We merely assume the book is making a scientific claim when the culture during Moses's life did not have the mindset of a science book. We assume and make our opinions based on our interpretation versus the interpretation of the author.
Regardless, I believe the text has been preserved accurately by textual criticism. The Latin Vulgate was not the best in accuracy but as Christians rediscovered the Greek language they began to study the earlier sources which exposed errors in the later sources.
Faith is required in any historical field of science because just like Alexander the Great we only have manuscripts centuries after his death.
Look at the book of Genesis and the origin of Earth and the universe. We merely assume the book is making a scientific claim when the culture during Moses's life did not have the mindset of a science book. We assume and make our opinions based on our interpretation versus the interpretation of the author.
Regardless, I believe the text has been preserved accurately by textual criticism. The Latin Vulgate was not the best in accuracy but as Christians rediscovered the Greek language they began to study the earlier sources which exposed errors in the later sources.
That is why it is best to cross examine any manuscript that contains scriptures.
Due to fact we do not have the originals so we only have copies of the originals. Which have been copied over centuries and mass produced after the invention of the printing press.
It also helps to compare the writings of early church fathers in relation to the manuscripts. The early church fathers still had their theological differences based on interpretation but they also quoted many scriptures.
I will add that out of the many manuscripts the message and verses really have stayed quite accurate from my studies of this. Of course, they can account for scribes who misspelled, added commentary, or repeated scriptures.
Due to fact we do not have the originals so we only have copies of the originals. Which have been copied over centuries and mass produced after the invention of the printing press.
It also helps to compare the writings of early church fathers in relation to the manuscripts. The early church fathers still had their theological differences based on interpretation but they also quoted many scriptures.
I will add that out of the many manuscripts the message and verses really have stayed quite accurate from my studies of this. Of course, they can account for scribes who misspelled, added commentary, or repeated scriptures.
Actually both Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus have been shown to be thoroughly corrupt manuscripts. As a result, they survived (having been cast aside and not used). Their age means nothing since the corruption of the Scripture by the Gnostics began very early. Conservative textual scholars are convinced that the manuscripts of later dates are more reliable. Then there are the lectionaries, the patristic quotations, and the bibles of the Greek Orthodox Church to refute all the corruptions.
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“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
When God speaks the creation moves according to its creators word
The word of God moves the natural things he commands the elements
“And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full. And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?”
Mark 4:37, 39, 41 KJV
of course Gods word is accompanied by signs and miraculous events that’s why the gospel has stood the test of time Gods word always proves itself true
this doesn’t mean that everyone who believes the gospel is going to perform miracles though that is a specific spiritual gift for specific chosen people
“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?”
1 Corinthians 12:28-30 KJV
The answer is no all Christian’s don’t have all the spiritual gifts one speaks in diversity of tongues other receives the gift of prophecy another receives e first of miracle working still another the gift of healing
The miraculous events and signs and wonders were for the intent of establishing the gospel as truth
“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
Hebrews 2:3-4 KJV
Because they all saw Jesus risen from the dead , they saw him walk on water , because the people saw Paul raise a dead boy , they saw peters shadow heal people , they witnessed the prison fall down while they prayed and sang hymns
a they saw Paul get bitten by a deadly snake and shake it off like a bee sting because of all of the wotnesses of th we in explainable events wotnessed by many many people the word of God the gospel is still believed and preached to this day
certain things for certain people and always for certain situations that are going to impact and be a witness to glorify Jesus Christ in earth
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
When God speaks the creation moves according to its creators word
The word of God moves the natural things he commands the elements
“And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full. And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?”
Mark 4:37, 39, 41 KJV
of course Gods word is accompanied by signs and miraculous events that’s why the gospel has stood the test of time Gods word always proves itself true
this doesn’t mean that everyone who believes the gospel is going to perform miracles though that is a specific spiritual gift for specific chosen people
“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?”
1 Corinthians 12:28-30 KJV
The answer is no all Christian’s don’t have all the spiritual gifts one speaks in diversity of tongues other receives the gift of prophecy another receives e first of miracle working still another the gift of healing
The miraculous events and signs and wonders were for the intent of establishing the gospel as truth
“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
Hebrews 2:3-4 KJV
Because they all saw Jesus risen from the dead , they saw him walk on water , because the people saw Paul raise a dead boy , they saw peters shadow heal people , they witnessed the prison fall down while they prayed and sang hymns
a they saw Paul get bitten by a deadly snake and shake it off like a bee sting because of all of the wotnesses of th we in explainable events wotnessed by many many people the word of God the gospel is still believed and preached to this day
certain things for certain people and always for certain situations that are going to impact and be a witness to glorify Jesus Christ in earth
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No. Facts are facts. So you can either accept them or reject them. The matter is not even debatable.
This is just like the matter of the lethal bioweapons called "COVID vaccines". They are killing people every day and have already killed millions. But the establishment is still lying about them, just like Westcott & Hort lied about the text of the Bible, and the establishment critics continue to lie.
This is just like the matter of the lethal bioweapons called "COVID vaccines". They are killing people every day and have already killed millions. But the establishment is still lying about them, just like Westcott & Hort lied about the text of the Bible, and the establishment critics continue to lie.
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Okay. But your relying on someone who claimed something to be a fact. While there are other scholars who disagree. So how can you say fact without hands on experience in the field? We often make the mistake of appealing to authority but for the layman, authority is all we have to study from. The problem is that we are finite, confined by location, can only retain so much, and have access to only so much.
So while scholars debate we have to in faith believe the Spirit has also worked within the many manuscripts providing us the assurance to believe our modern Bibles.
So while scholars debate we have to in faith believe the Spirit has also worked within the many manuscripts providing us the assurance to believe our modern Bibles.
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When there is actual documentation, photographs, collation of manuscripts, and corroboration by others, it is no longer opinions, but facts. Here is the space from which Mark 16:9-20 has been deliberately omitted from Codex Sinaiticus. And the BLATANT LIE is that only TWO corrupt documents have this flaw. All the rest have the last twelve verses of Mark.
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