Should Christians be allowed to own a gun legally?

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I_am_Canadian

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Living by the sword today would translate to mean someone living a life of crime, like the Mafia.
They make their living that way.

Jesus was telling Peter to stop acting like a law breaker.
Nothing about owning or carrying a weapon.

How do we know?


Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him,
“for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
Mat 26:52


Did you notice?
Peter kept his sword.

Not only that.
Jesus did not tell Peter to get rid of it!

But, Jesus told Peter to KEEP IT!




In Christ .......... GeneZ
Except in the King James it says they that take the sword shall perish by the sword.

Matthew 26:52

“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”
MATTHEW 26:52 KJV "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall..." (kingjamesbibleonline.org)
 

Genez

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Except in the King James it says they that take the sword shall perish by the sword.
Matthew 26:52
“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”
MATTHEW 26:52 KJV "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall..." (kingjamesbibleonline.org)
Jesus told Peter what?
.... to KEEP his sword!

If your interpretation were a good one?
Jesus would have commanded Peter to immediately get rid of his sword...

Jesus was warning Peter not to abuse the right to bear arms.
For, what Peter was doing?
Would be like some jerk shooting an arresting officer who was arresting another person.
Peter broke the law!
Peter should have been killed for what he did!
That is why Jesus said, they that take the sword shall perish by the sword.

Its time to think a little bit more than you have been accustomed to.

grace and peace ..............
 

I_am_Canadian

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Jesus told Peter what?
.... to KEEP his sword!

If your interpretation were a good one?
Jesus would have commanded Peter to immediately get rid of his sword...

Jesus was warning Peter not to abuse the right to bear arms.
For, what Peter was doing?
Would be like some jerk shooting an arresting officer who was arresting another person.
Peter broke the law!
Peter should have been killed for what he did!
That is why Jesus said, they that take the sword shall perish by the sword.

Its time to think a little bit more than you have been accustomed to.

grace and peace ..............
45Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
46Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
47And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
48Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
49And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
50And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
55In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
56But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
57And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
MATTHEW CHAPTER 26 KJV (kingjamesbibleonline.org)

Here is the problem, Jesus was an innocent he never broke the law or committed an offence. He was speaking to his disciples when Judas brought the chief priests, elders and a mob armed with swords and staves.

Religious leaders were plotting to get rid of Jesus long before this incident. It was an unruly mob not law enforcement officers like Roman Soldiers What Peter did was defend an innocent man in self defense who was un armed. Jesus told him to put it away so the scriptures could be fulfilled on the betrayal, death, burial and resurrection of the messiah. That's when the disciples fled and the mob arrested him, in todays terms they committed a citizens arrest for crimes he never committed or a false arrest.
 

Genez

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45Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
46Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
47And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
48Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
49And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
50And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
55In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
56But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
57And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
MATTHEW CHAPTER 26 KJV (kingjamesbibleonline.org)

Here is the problem, Jesus was an innocent he never broke the law or committed an offence. He was speaking to his disciples when Judas brought the chief priests, elders and a mob armed with swords and staves.

Religious leaders were plotting to get rid of Jesus long before this incident. It was an unruly mob not law enforcement officers like Roman Soldiers What Peter did was defend an innocent man in self defense who was un armed. Jesus told him to put it away so the scriptures could be fulfilled on the betrayal, death, burial and resurrection of the messiah. That's when the disciples fled and the mob arrested him, in todays terms they committed a citizens arrest for crimes he never committed or a false arrest.

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except
from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists
the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on
themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid
of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s
minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain;
for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil."
Romans 13:1-4​


If Peter was doing something that was lawful by attacking with a sword someone in law enforcement?
And chased away the Roman guards?

Guess what?

JESUS WOULD HAVE NOT GONE TO THE CROSS TO DIE FOR OUR SINS!


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Gideon300

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Jesus was showing by example of a parallel we find in this life.

Read it again.
What was Jesus saying was a good thing?

But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. "
Luke 11:20-21​


Pacifists only see a fragmented Jesus.
I'm not a pacifist. I'm ex military. I'm all for Israel and Ukraine defending themselves. However, I'm against zero limitations on weapons that civilians can own. I won't go over it again, it's pointless.

When I read that Jesus used an M16 to protect the disciples from the Jews who harassed them, I'll change my mind.
 

Genez

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I'm not a pacifist. I'm ex military. I'm all for Israel and Ukraine defending themselves. However, I'm against zero limitations on weapons that civilians can own. I won't go over it again, it's pointless.

When I read that Jesus used an M16 to protect the disciples from the Jews who harassed them, I'll change my mind.
Just ignore what Jesus said....
That way you do not have to strain yourself.

But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. "
Luke 11:20-21​
The reason effective self defense weapons are being disparaged and discouraged by the socialist democrats is because they have plans to organize rioting and mayhem to bring down the United States of America. Our right to bear arms is what frustrates their dominance lust.

When Jesus protects the Jews the next time their will be a river of blood up to a horses bridle for about 180 miles. Rev 14:19-20

When I read that Jesus used an M16 to protect the disciples from the Jews who harassed them, I'll change my mind.
Why such a weak weapon? You're thinking small.

In Christ.....
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Just ignore what Jesus said....
That way you do not have to strain yourself.

But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. " Luke 11:20-21​
The reason effective self defense weapons are being disparaged and discouraged by the socialist democrats is because they have plans to organize rioting and mayhem to bring down the United States of America. Our right to bear arms is what frustrates their dominance lust.

When Jesus protects the Jews the next time their will be a river of blood up to a horses bridle for about 180 miles. Rev 14:19-20



Why such a weak weapon? You're thinking small.

In Christ.....

As a weapons instructor, it stands to reason that Jesus wanted them to be able to properly use their given tools too. There are lots of honorable descriptions of mighty men of valour who skillfully wielded their weapons against evil foes. We all remember David using the sling against Goliath. Jesus didn't require him to be restrained to a single tool like a sword. In fact David gave God the glory as he ran up against the giant with double sticks and a projectile weapon with which he was very proficient using.
It wasn't a weapon considered as choice for warfare, but it did the job because young David did his part. Same when he used a stick and his bare hands to kill the lion and the bear. This reminds me to get back to practice, something illegal in China from the time of Mao up until recently. Kung Fu was illegal.

Last week my weapon of choice was tear gas against a big raccoon that invaded my attic and grapes outside. Lol

Reading the OT, it's easy for us to reasonably consider that God values life, we value our lives and loved ones. Government contractors value neither.
We are never commanded to disregard those precious lives God has given to be subservient to murdering contractors.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I'm not a pacifist. I'm ex military. However, I'm against zero limitations on weapons that civilians can own.
When I read that Jesus used an M16 to protect the disciples from the Jews who harassed them, I'll change my mind.
😁
Our president agrees.


What does your president/ pm allow her subjects to have?
 
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My question is very simple. Is it okay for Christians to own a gun legally for protection purposes? I would love to hear what other people has to say in regards to that.

I personally believe that we dont need a gun, but at the same time, arent everyone entitled to protect themselves? Now, you see where the confusion is with me lol :)

I do not need a gun; I can put an arrow where I want it very accurately and my bow never goes off accidentally. ;)
 

Billyd

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I do not need a gun; I can put an arrow where I want it very accurately and my bow never goes off accidentally. ;)
By the time you pull your arrow out of your arrow sleeve, I can put three rounds in your body and have thirteen left. I can also put my knife in your body before you can get a gun out of your holster. My gun nor my knife have never went off accidentally either.
 

Genez

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I do not need a gun; I can put an arrow where I want it very accurately and my bow never goes off accidentally. ;)

For one's own personal protection how can one conceal and carry a bow and arrow?
Wear a bow tie?

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HealthAndHappiness

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I do not need a gun; I can put an arrow where I want it very accurately and my bow never goes off accidentally. ;)
I don't see any Old Testament references where God limits what weapons we are allowed to choose for self defense. Jesus didn't even put any restrictions on them except on their use.

If one practices proper safety with their chosen tool of choice, it won't go off "accidentally." When that happens it's because of safety rule violations.

The most important thing about self defense is training. Proficiency with one's weapon is more important than the choice of projectile as proven by young David as he killed the most formidable warrior on the planet.
Here's a modern example of someone who became interested in archery ten years prior to this video. You'll like this one.