Should a Husband beat his wife
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He did keep the plagues from affecting them. their livestock did not die, they weren't afflicted by the boils (?), they had light when the Egyptians were in darkness for three days -- and you know, passover!!
good point!
He is able to preserve those that put their trust in Him, and to give them strength to persevere.
good point!
He is able to preserve those that put their trust in Him, and to give them strength to persevere.
There's absolutely no purpose to send the church thru the tribulation.
The Day of Wrath is just that, for God to spend his fury on the Christ rejecting world.
Problem is much of the church gives a nod but isn't grasping the horror that will be unleashed during that Day. If we truly believed it we would be busy warning others to flee the wrath to come.
Instead we're lulled into thinking it took place in 70 AD or is just all symbolic and we have lost our urgency.
The Day of Wrath is just that, for God to spend his fury on the Christ rejecting world.
Problem is much of the church gives a nod but isn't grasping the horror that will be unleashed during that Day. If we truly believed it we would be busy warning others to flee the wrath to come.
Instead we're lulled into thinking it took place in 70 AD or is just all symbolic and we have lost our urgency.
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Amen we are told the wife to reverence the husband
Ephesians 5:[33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
Amen not beat the husband or vise versa.
1st Cor 7:[15] But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
Amen, Adam did not beat his wife when he got deceived nope, it was God who did the chastisement the disciplining. Today the word is the one that disciplines people or chastise people.
Psalm 94: [10] He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
Hebrews 12:[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
[9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
[10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
The word will chastise not man
Ephesians 5:[33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
Amen not beat the husband or vise versa.
1st Cor 7:[15] But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
Amen, Adam did not beat his wife when he got deceived nope, it was God who did the chastisement the disciplining. Today the word is the one that disciplines people or chastise people.
Psalm 94: [10] He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
Hebrews 12:[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
[9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
[10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
The word will chastise not man
Guys...you aren't understanding the analogy. He's using the term "wife" for the Church as a whole and is using "beat" as a word for "Tribulation". Basically, he's asking if Yahweh God will put the church through Tribulation or not. My answer is: yes. Christ warned us it would happen since the establishment of the Church to begin with. Most of the time, tribulation referred to intense persecution. Tribulation is a word that should NOT be equated with the Day of the Lord. The word used for that already is Judgment. How else do you expect him to separate chaff from wheat?
Here is what the word of God says:
Revelation 1:9
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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(Rev 1:9)ABP
I John, your brother and partaker with you in tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
(Rev 1:9)ASV
I, John, your brother and joint participant in the affliction and kingdom and endurance in Jesus Christ, came to be in the island called Patmos, because of the word of God, and because of the testimony of Jesus Christ."
(Rev 1:9) CLV
I am John, your brother. I share your suffering, ruling, and endurance because of Jesus. I was exiled on the island of Patmos because of God's word and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) GW
I am John, your brother and partner in the oppression, kingdom, and patience that comes because of Jesus. I was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) ISV
I, even your brother John, and co-sharer in the affliction, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, came to be in the island being called Patmos because of the Word of God, and because of the witness of Jesus Christ.
(Rev 1:9) LITV
I, John, your brother and co-sharer in the affliction and kingdom and steadfastness in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) LEB
I don't believe vs. 9 is referencing what was to come in ch. 6-19
(Rev 1:9)ABP
I John, your brother and partaker with you in tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
(Rev 1:9)ASV
I, John, your brother and joint participant in the affliction and kingdom and endurance in Jesus Christ, came to be in the island called Patmos, because of the word of God, and because of the testimony of Jesus Christ."
(Rev 1:9) CLV
I am John, your brother. I share your suffering, ruling, and endurance because of Jesus. I was exiled on the island of Patmos because of God's word and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) GW
I am John, your brother and partner in the oppression, kingdom, and patience that comes because of Jesus. I was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) ISV
I, even your brother John, and co-sharer in the affliction, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, came to be in the island being called Patmos because of the Word of God, and because of the witness of Jesus Christ.
(Rev 1:9) LITV
I, John, your brother and co-sharer in the affliction and kingdom and steadfastness in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) LEB
I don't believe vs. 9 is referencing what was to come in ch. 6-19
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Those are some interesting English translations of Rev 1:9
Here are some more mainstream English translations.
NKJV
9 I, John, both[a] your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
NASB
9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and[a]perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
HCSB
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation, kingdom, and endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God’s word and the testimony about Jesus
ESV
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
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We could swap English translations all day Let's take a look at the Greek in two verses.
First a verse I'm sure you'd say is about THE tribulation
Matthew 24
[ The Coming of the Son of Man ] “Immediately after the tribulation of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the celestial powers will be shaken.
Then our Rev 1:9
I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation, kingdom, and endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God’s word and the testimony about Jesus.
The Greek word for tribulation in both verses isthlipsis
Neither verse in the Greek has a "the" in front of thlipsis.
Rev 1:9 in the greek has en thlipsis (in tribulation)
Matthew 24 has meta thlipsis (after tribulation).
So imposing a THE in front of tribulation in both verses in the English is totally a translator addition to convey meaning. In Greek there is no THE tribulation.
So it's really hard to say that there is a THE tribulation in Matthew 24 and another generic "tribulation" in Rev 1:9.
Although contextually you can argue that Matthew 24 is speaking of another time of tribulation. You just can't make that argument by fighting over the presence of THE, cuz THE isn't in the Greek.
And now i'm off to THE sleep..cuz i'm THE tired.
Here are some more mainstream English translations.
NKJV
9 I, John, both[a] your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
NASB
9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and[a]perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
HCSB
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation, kingdom, and endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God’s word and the testimony about Jesus
ESV
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
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We could swap English translations all day Let's take a look at the Greek in two verses.
First a verse I'm sure you'd say is about THE tribulation
Matthew 24
[ The Coming of the Son of Man ] “Immediately after the tribulation of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the celestial powers will be shaken.
Then our Rev 1:9
I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation, kingdom, and endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God’s word and the testimony about Jesus.
The Greek word for tribulation in both verses isthlipsis
Neither verse in the Greek has a "the" in front of thlipsis.
Rev 1:9 in the greek has en thlipsis (in tribulation)
Matthew 24 has meta thlipsis (after tribulation).
So imposing a THE in front of tribulation in both verses in the English is totally a translator addition to convey meaning. In Greek there is no THE tribulation.
So it's really hard to say that there is a THE tribulation in Matthew 24 and another generic "tribulation" in Rev 1:9.
Although contextually you can argue that Matthew 24 is speaking of another time of tribulation. You just can't make that argument by fighting over the presence of THE, cuz THE isn't in the Greek.
And now i'm off to THE sleep..cuz i'm THE tired.
Jesus told His followers to rejoice when they were persecuted because of righteousness. Peter and John, His own disciples who ate and traveled with him, were beaten for the sake of Christ and rejoiced over it. Peter wrote to servants who were suffering, being beaten for doing good, that Christ and suffered and to follow the example of Christ.
What about Acts 14:22?
strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. "We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God," they said.
(NIV)
How can you argue that the church will go through tribulation?
And do you think that the tribulational saints are appointed unto wrath?
When God poured out His judgments on Egypt, He was able to keep it off of Egypt?
Is there a single verse of scripture that argues for a pre-trib rapture-- not one that could be interpreted in light of pre-trib, but one that actually indicates that the rapture will be pre-trib? In II Thessalonians 1, we see that Jesus will return and give the church rest when he comes executing judgment on them that know not God. How can that passage be reconciled with pre-trib?
What about Acts 14:22?
strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. "We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God," they said.
(NIV)
How can you argue that the church will go through tribulation?
And do you think that the tribulational saints are appointed unto wrath?
When God poured out His judgments on Egypt, He was able to keep it off of Egypt?
Is there a single verse of scripture that argues for a pre-trib rapture-- not one that could be interpreted in light of pre-trib, but one that actually indicates that the rapture will be pre-trib? In II Thessalonians 1, we see that Jesus will return and give the church rest when he comes executing judgment on them that know not God. How can that passage be reconciled with pre-trib?