Sex before marriage

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2ndTimothyGroup

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I'm sure Noah was following the law of God and they were actually marrying
Yes. And this is what I am saying. ;)

I follow the Laws of the Spirit of Life, not the laws of worldly "men."

It is also important, I believe, to note that all who have received the Spiritual Circumcision of Christ have been set apart from ALL worldly laws . . . this applies to the Gentiles and the Jews. To be a Nazarene is to be set apart. I am definitely not a part of this world. I am a child of Christ.
 

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Yes. And this is what I am saying. ;)

I follow the Laws of the Spirit of Life, not the laws of worldly "men."

It is also important, I believe, to note that all who have received the Spiritual Circumcision of Christ has been set apart from ALL worldly laws . . . this applies to the Gentiles and the Jews. To be a Nazarene is to be set apart. I am definitely not a part of this world. I am a child of Christ.
Yeah, and that's why we don't just shack up with someone and not legally commit to them.

Don't let your good be evil spoken of and abstain from even the appearance of evil.

I can assure you. If you, me, or anyone else is living with someone without being legally married to them. We are not abstaining from the appearance of evil. You are going to destroy your witness. How could anyone preach the Word of God to others and tell others not to commit fornication if we are actually committing fornication ourselves?
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Yeah, and that's why we don't just shack up with someone and not legally commit to them.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. You're living according to worldly ideals while I am suggesting that we, as True Christians who have received the Circumcision of Christ, thus living by the Laws of the Spirit of Life . . . we view things according to the Spirit and not the ways of men.

You're saying that to commit to the laws of the land is greater than our commitment to the Lord. That, sir (or ma'am), couldn't be any more backward.

Romans 8:1 NKJV - "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."
 

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When we experience a genuine Roman's 12:2 Transformation, we no longer think as we once did. Instead, we view our entire lives according to the Mind of Christ. Our scope and mindset changes so drastically that we now live in a way that pleases the Lord, and this comes by the Spirit . . . who changes our heart. This is the Circumcision of Christ:

Romans 2:29 KJV - "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God."

The above True Circumcision is the same Circumcision of Christ as below:

Colossians 2:11 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature."

This is what produces a Roman's 12:2 Holy Transformation.

@1ofthem - Do you relate to Roman's 12:2? Do you feel that your entire way of thinking has been Transformed by Christ? Do you relate to Colossians 2:9-15? Do you get excited when you read of what was supposed to have happened to you? A complete Transformation?

And when you read the Old Testament and you see passages like the one below, do you say to yourself, "Yes! This is what God did for me!!"

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - "And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."
 

1ofthem

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You're saying that to commit to the laws of the land is greater than our commitment to the Lord. That, sir (or ma'am), couldn't be any more backward.
I think you are confusing what I'm saying. I'm not saying anything like that. No the laws of the land aren't greater than our commitment to the Lord. I'm saying if we really want to commit to the Lord then we had better do exactly what he says to do and abstain from all appearance of evil.

Why on earth would you not want to get legally married to someone if you thought it was the Lord's will for you to be married to them? Do you want others to think poorly of you? Do you think the Lord would want that?

And it's ma'am, thank you.

No wait that sounds too old...

Young lady sounds much better...lol:p
 

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Why on earth would you not want to get legally married to someone if you thought it was the Lord's will for you to be married to them?
First . . . why would you say this? I never said that we shouldn't be legally married.

Second, I don't believe that it is the will of the Lord that we become married if we have already received the Circumcision of Christ, for Paul taught CLEARLY that we are to remain in the position that we are in when we come to Christ. So if we are single after receiving the Circumcision of Christ, we are to remain single.

IEdit hahaha) Young Lady . . . we have some serious, serious misunderstandings of what the Bible teaches. And since this is the case, and because I cannot lead you through it all in this lousy frame of typing at my keyboard, we're going to have to drop it for now.

Rest easy and have a good night. :)
 

1ofthem

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Do you relate to Roman's 12:2? Do you feel that your entire way of thinking has been Transformed by Christ? Do you relate to Colossians 2:9-15? Do you get excited when you read of what was supposed to have happened to you? A complete Transformation?
Yes, and how about you?

Why would you not want to abstain from all appearances of evil?

If we want to talk it then we better be willing to walk it.
 

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Why would you not want to abstain from all appearances of evil?
I think that if you were to look at my first comment, it would shed light on my position.

Ok, gotta keep studying for an exam. Peace!
 

1ofthem

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First . . . why would you say this? I never said that we shouldn't be legally married.
Okay, so what was this all about then? You're the one who started questioning me about why I thought people should get legally married.

Why if you feel the same about it?

Second, I don't believe that it is the will of the Lord that we become married if we have already received the Circumcision of Christ, for Paul taught CLEARLY that we are to remain in the position that we are in when we come to Christ. So if we are single after receiving the Circumcision of Christ, we are to remain single.
Yep, I don't agree with this either. He said that it is best if a man can stay single. If not then get married. It's best to remain single but if you cannot contain then get married. Marriage is holy and the bed is undefiled.

Sir . . . we have some serious, serious misunderstandings of what the Bible teaches. And since this is the case, and because I cannot lead you through it all in this lousy frame of typing at my keyboard, we're going to have to drop it for now.
Yes, ma'am I can see that.
Rest easy and have a good night. :)
You too :)
 

1ofthem

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IEdit hahaha) Young Lady . . . we have some serious, serious misunderstandings of what the Bible teaches. And since this is the case, and because I cannot lead you through it all in this lousy frame of typing at my keyboard, we're going to have to drop it for now.
Okay (y) on the edit...Young Lady sounds much better...You got that part right, anyhow...lol
 
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Something I haven't seen said here yet is this. Marriage is intended to be a picture or figure of Christ's relationship with the Church. The Church is the Bride of Christ, and her role is the same as the wife's role in Scripture to her husband, and vice versa.

Christ, the Husband, leads, provides, protects, directs, and has spiritual authority or headship.

The Church, the Bride, loves, serves, honors, obeys, and submits.

Just as marriage is a picture of Christ and His Bride, so fornication is a picture of heathen idolatry and self satisfaction.

There is also the "one flesh" aspect which some of you have mentioned. It's a mystery how exactly this works but man and wife become one organism together. "What God has joined let no man put asunder."

I heard - in my youth - an evangelist one time say that nothing stands between a person and God like sexual sin. This is because all sexual sin is a perversion of spiritual reality, a broken and lying image, if you will.

Fornication - on a purely practical level - is destructive to the nuclear family and a future marriage as well. Why? Well, if someone has a few dozen partners prior to marriage, they might truly love their spouse but they may have memories of better sex with someone else. Comparing and envying leads to dissatisfaction. If you save yourself for marriage, sex within the boundaries of marriage will be a unique experience that will be incomparable to any other experience. The more you play around before marriage, the more you are dulling the pleasures of marriage later on.

Not to mention the issues with exes that may suddenly become available again down the road, leading to sexual temptation, etc. etc.
Are you 100% certain about that? I'm not sure that marriage doesn't predate the fall and need for Christ to incarnate.
 

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This is how some show what they know of God.
Getting nowhere,except..........they THINK they are ever learning BUT NEVER COMING TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH! Just round and round and round
 
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Are you 100% certain about that? I'm not sure that marriage doesn't predate the fall and need for Christ to incarnate.
Yes to both. Marriage certainly DOES predate the Fall, but I am also certain about this.

Marriage predates the Fall:
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Marriage as picture of Christ and the Church:
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
 
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Yes to both. Marriage certainly DOES predate the Fall, but I am also certain about this.

Marriage predates the Fall:
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Marriage as picture of Christ and the Church:
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
There's also a part where Jesus says "If anyone will not leave his mother and father and follow me, he isn't worthy of me."
 
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There's also a part where Jesus says "If anyone will not leave his mother and father and follow me, he isn't worthy of me."
He also told people to hate their families and children. But you have to see that in context. He didn't mean literally hate them. He meant that your love for God must be such that if forced to choose, you would choose God instead of anyone else. Your love for God must make every other love look like hate by comparison. Keep in mind that the Bible says that forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils. (And the Catholic church shows why many different ways.)

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

And going back to what Jesus said, people did have to choose. Even today, the Jewish religion hates Christianity and they will disown family members who convert.
 

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Where'd the original poster go?
 

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Last seen at 3:31 a.m.
 

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My second thought is this . . . if "you" are currently sleeping with someone, that's your last! Whether you're married or not, you are not authorized to be with anyone ever again.
so I had sex when I was 14 to a girl that I didn't even know, and never saw again. That was "it" for me? What about the next 11 that I slept with during me years of immorality, before I got married?
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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so I had sex when I was 14 to a girl that I didn't even know, and never saw again. That was "it" for me? What about the next 11 that I slept with during me years of immorality, before I got married?
I hear you. I racked up plenty myself. I was a disgusting pig.