I agree it will not be secretly but it will come sneakily because like a thief in the night he will come unannounced according to this verse
SEPT COULD BE THE RAPTURE !!!!!
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Ok then show me a verse that says Christ will return secretly, which is what the pre-trib raptures teaches
I think you just simply cannot provide it, because I have studied and searched but nowhere does the bible say it will happen after the tribulation not a single verse it says it will happen at the last trump it says it will come as a thief in the night but it does not say it will happen after the tribulation.I find it curious that you cannot find scripture that shows a post-trib rapture, especially if God is supposedly guiding you. If you can't see it with His help, I don't see how I myself can help you.
Again I am not a pretrib believer I am prewrath there is a difference and he will not come secretely but will come unannounced
The announcement of his coming will come unannounced. To the world, but not to his people who will be expecting him
Well I just don't get it you say postrib is the truth but are not willing to prove it when all it takes is to post what verse shows it so it is a simple matter.I'm fine with you thinking that!
And I am willing to cvhange my understanding but every post triber I have spoken to always does what you are doing they never show any verse to prove their stance they evade it like it is a plague and yet proclaim all other views to be false.
So of course I don't believe in a post trib rapture because there is no evidence to show for it, if you believe in it that is your decision but to say that there is scripture that proves it yet being unable to prove it is just silly.
You asked me for scripture I provided it but you are unwilling to do the same now tell me how is that fair?
Yes that is true but as to the when it will occur I have been asking for evidence of a post trib view but no one has shown it is there or is there not scripture that shows a post trib or do people just believe this due to their own opinions?
I mean it cannot be that hard
No it isn't because post trib declares that the ressurrection and rapture happens at the end of the tribulation prewrath teaches that he will rapture his bride right before the wrath of God comes upon the earth the final seven plagues
When did you do that? maybe I missed it what post was it because I don't recall you showing scripture for that
Ok but how does this show it is after the tribulation? there is no sense of timing from just this verse it could easily just be pretrib as well.
But to be taken before God's wrath is before the end of the tribulation which means that post trib says the rapture happens after the tribulation not before God's wrath.
So are you actually a prewrath believer then?
Remember how God kept the Hebrews safe in the land of Goshen while He punished the Egyptians with the plagues? God will do that for His people too in the great tribulation. God won't take them out, but they will be protected from God's wrath.
Because it's noisy, ie, not secret. How could a noisy rapture happen before the trib? It completely violates the pre-trib teaching
When the resurrection happens, the trib is over. Then wrath comes. Yes, I believe pre-wrath