Secrets to the Kingdom of God

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Omegatime

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Mark 4:10 And when he was alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables; 12 so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be forgiven.” 13 And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

Your thoughts on these scriptures
 
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Matthew 13 verses 16-17 ~ Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
 
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Mark 4:10 And when he was alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables; 12 so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be forgiven.” 13 And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

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This group included not only the apostles, but also other people who were also Jesus's disciples. It also included Judas. All the disciples, I think, didn't fully grasp what Jesus explained, but because all of them, except Judas, had a heart and mind to want to understand Him and His parables, they had kept what He taught in their hearts until the Holy Spirit was given to them and helped them understand the parables better.

In my own life, if I didn't understand something, I asked God about it and then filed it away in my heart. Sooner or later, He explains it through another verse in the Bible, or through someone else in their writings, sermons, blogs, vlogs, etc, or have something happen in my life that would explain it to me better than in writing or speech.


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Isaiah 6 verses 9-10, Luke 8 verse 10, (Matthew 13 verses 14-15, Mark 4 verse 12, Romans 11 verse 8, John 12 verses 39-40, Acts 28 verses 26-27, Ezekiel 12 verse 2, Jeremiah 5 verse 21, Deuteronomy 29 verse 4, Psalm 115 verses 4-8, Psalm 135 verses 15-18) ~ The voice of the Lord said: “Go and tell this people, ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ Make the hearts of this people calloused; deafen their ears and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.” The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, ‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’
 

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Luke 8:10

he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
 
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Yes, we know that in following scriptures, that a reason he did this, was because it gave them an excuse.
It is because, they did not know what they where doing.
 
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Isaiah 6 verses 9-10, Luke 8 verse 10, (Matthew 13 verses 14-15, Mark 4 verse 12, Romans 11 verse 8, John 12 verses 39-40, Acts 28 verses 26-27, Ezekiel 12 verse 2, Jeremiah 5 verse 21, Deuteronomy 29 verse 4, Psalm 115 verses 4-8, Psalm 135 verses 15-18) ~ The voice of the Lord said: “Go and tell this people, ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ Make the hearts of this people calloused; deafen their ears and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.” The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, ‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’
Me, wondering, today after the cross completed in his resurrection alive. Then the Writings of the disciples, Jesus is risen we are all forgiven, reconciled by Son's death alone

All I see that is left is: To believe Son is risen for me and all others also, where Father gives new life in Son's risen Life
Then all the mysteries, parables of God become reality in God's Spirit and Truth given us to see, at least me after a long walk off a short pier daily in repentance daily under Law.
No longer under Law, now abide in the risen Son to love all without anymore stressing out over it as did under Law
So, are we all called to see this from God Father and risen Son? Or is it the same as was before the death, burial and resurrection?
I see a before the Cross and an after the Cross
I see the cross over and new life that has taken a long while to stand in to see it clearer than yesterday, amazing grace this is to me at least, thanks
 
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Mark 4:10 And when he was alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables; 12 so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be forgiven.” 13 And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

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Beware of a gnostic interpretation.
 
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Luke 8:10

he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
I see this from these posts, about the parables not understood then
He came to go to a cross and willingly die once for us all to be reconciled and did that, then risen where new life is given to all that will not quit beleif to God in risen Son for them.

these persons that do nor quit, eventually see new and are new in love to all, even those that are not in belief to God yet, or have even harmed them also, each personally have the free choice to believe God and stand in that, no matter what troubles happen to them. will we go to death, willingly also or not, this is between God and you personally? "The art of fighting without fighting" He won for us that was and is the call to believe and be set free from under Law, then in the risen Son given from Father, Daddy, PaPa, to me at least, new life of love for all.
then, at least for me the parables started opening up to me, wow!
Such as the verse John 3:12 Physical analogies for Spiritual realities
seeing this as well, if Satan had known, understood Christ would be risen and put in charge. Satan would have then not encouraged the religious leaders to kill Jesus, but, Satan did encourage them.
Then Satan saw Son going willingly to that cross without a flesh fight back at anyone, knew he messed up, did not know how God would work this all out,
So he got Jesus whipped, flogged, beat up, gave too much adversities to him, for him to quit, but he didn't, while headed to that cross, where Satan did not see, yet now saw, he messed up encouraging the leaders to get Jesus out of here. Satan by then, could not get them to change their mindsets that he caused through vanity. setting the stage is all Evil can do y'all we make the choices to not do. We are today by religion compelled and told we cannot choose made good by Father and Son as risen, evil lost in the resurrection. To say, we are sinners still, is a lie from evil to keep us, at least me under Law to continue in sin. Since sin takes occasion by the command to not sin I know in God "Uphold Law" no longer under Law, a gigantic difference to me at least
For God told Cain, he could choose differently, and Cain did not, yet had the choice to choose to not kill and yet did anyways, listening to thought(s) crossing in his mind that were not his
See the Movie "the Devil's Advocate" Informative to me thanks

Then we read Col 1 and 2 and see the spectacle made of everyone that got him killed, as Satan lost the keys in the resurrected Son once risen

De-toothed, declawed defeated. All the is left is for all flesh to surreder as is stated in Hebrews 1 to me at least
 
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Beware of a gnostic interpretation.
yes be aware, of the scare from anyone, when Father did send Son in the flesh and blood for us and is risen reported from all the disciples, to us all
Gnostic= those that do not believe Christ came to earth in flesh, is that correct?
And God has selected them to have esoteric knowledge

Now wondering if that be your definition of Gnostics also? Thanks learning much as we all share in care, being equals
 
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yes be aware, of the scare from anyone, when Father did send Son in the flesh and blood for us and is risen reported from all the disciples, to us all
Gnostic= those that do not believe Christ came to earth in flesh, is that correct?
And God has selected them to have esoteric knowledge

Now wondering if that be your definition of Gnostics also? Thanks learning much as we all share in care, being equals
Yes, with the part about esoteric/hidden/secret knowledge being problematic for a Gospel message meant for everyone in the world.
 

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Mark 4:10 And when he was alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables; 12 so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be forgiven.” 13 And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

Your thoughts on these scriptures
israel had been in n rebellion for many generetions ….

“And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down: and I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it. For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry. Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth! In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant. Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath, and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah. Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5:5-10, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because they had cast away the law and rejected his words and judgements he would make them blind and deaf when his words came

“In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. ( nite this is quoted many times in the nt )

Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, and the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land. ( desolation of Jerusalem jesus preached about so much )

But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭6:1, 8-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Look at the difference in specifically israel and gentiles regarding that quote the best place to note it is here

“And when they ( Jews ) had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that

Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, saying, Go unto this people, ( Israel ) and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes have they closed; Lest they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should be converted, And I should heal them.

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s a message in the Bible that most of Israel would reject the messiah like they had the law but he would spare a remnant of them and create messengers and apostles to spread the gospel from Jerusalem to all the world as he did .

“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭10:20-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the quote is a specific curse upon israel for the breaking of thier covenant and rejection for so long of Gods word which eventually spread the word of God to all people and nations because they rejected him . Now an Israelite or gentile can be saved if they believe and no one is blinded because they broke the law and we’re cursed….

He’s really promised a lot about Jerusalems desolation on scripture and the scattering of the remnant into the world thier blindness and deaf ears roughy it to pass
 

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This group included not only the apostles, but also other people who were also Jesus's disciples. It also included Judas. All the disciples, I think, didn't fully grasp what Jesus explained, but because all of them, except Judas, had a heart and mind to want to understand Him and His parables, they had kept what He taught in their hearts until the Holy Spirit was given to them and helped them understand the parables better.

In my own life, if I didn't understand something, I asked God about it and then filed it away in my heart. Sooner or later, He explains it through another verse in the Bible, or through someone else in their writings, sermons, blogs, vlogs, etc, or have something happen in my life that would explain it to me better than in writing or speech.


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Yes , that's how it works with me also . I've been reading the Bible ever day for thirty years and it's like a puzzle , the longer u look at it the clearer the picture becomes . The first few times that I read it I barely understood a thing and slowly , over the last 30 years , God has helped me to understand His Word . 30 years on ? Things r still being revealed to me and hopefully that will continue for the next 30 years , if the Lord remains away . How many times have I read the Gospel of Mark ? I couldn't even guess . I've only recently become totally convinced that the person Jesus is talking to in chapter 10 v 17-22 is Simon of chapter 15 V 21 . Why do I suddenly think this ? Suddenly I realised in mark ch 10 v 21 it says that Jesus beholding him loved him . Why ? I think Jesus knew what he would do for Jesus in the future . Also , in the other gospels , a few times Jesus says : ' take up his cross ' in Mark Ch 10 v 21 Jesus says : take up the cross , and follow me . This is exactly what Simon does in Mark Ch 15 v 21 . If this is all correct , imagine how Simon would have felt , being compelled to carry Jesus's cross for him , at that moment I'm sure he would have remembered his earlier encounter with Jesus , he would know that Jesus knew , the first time , what he would do in carrying his cross for him . That memory of that encounter and the subsequent one would have set his heart aglow every time he thought on it . This was a recent revelation to me and of course , I may b wrong . This is why we need to read the Bible very very regularly . The more we read the clearer it all becomes and the stronger our faith gets . That's what I think anyway 😁 .
 
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Mark 4:10 And when he was alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables; 12 so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be forgiven.” 13 And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

Your thoughts on these scriptures
Jesus is speaking Here


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No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him [giving him the desire to come to Me]; and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last

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Matthew 11:15, Matthew 13:9, and Mark 4:9, emphasizing the importance of actively listening and understanding spiritual truths

God the Father has to change your Hardened heart to a heart that accepts the Gospel and by you heart being soften your ears and eyes are open to understanding what the parables are saying Spiritually to you ----every Scripture has a spiritual meaning behind the words ----this is called the Rhema word ----or the spoken Word ----

this is why Jesus says======= Those who have EARS HEAR ----Those who have EYES SEE ----only those who accepted God's Drawing could have the secret behind the parables known to them -----many listened to Jesus but Few had Ears to Hear and Eyes to See ------even the Disciples at first did not know the secret behind the words --Jesus had to fill them in in some Parables ------
 

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Luke 8:10

he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
I believe Jesus was referencing Jews who were intentionally blinded. It was always God's plan to make salvation available to all groups of humanity.

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes." Romans 11:25-28
 
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The secrets to the kingdom of God was given by the apostles, specifically Peter when he preached the first gospel sermon in Acts 2. It was a message that changed the world.
 
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The secrets to the kingdom of God was given by the apostles, specifically Peter when he preached the first gospel sermon in Acts 2. It was a message that changed the world.
The mystery of salvation revealed in the risen Son Jesus today and has continued since Acts 5 last part, when they got flogged to not preach risen Jesus anymore
No more Secrets. the mysteries of God revealed in risen Son for each person that chooses to believe God in risen Son for them too
Then in the new birth, one only does what led to do and love all, not having to gain anymore knowledge in anything more, at least me in thanksgiving and praise, seeing it is true Son took all sin away as far as the east is from the west
It is finished for us to get given new life in Father's Spirit and Truth, and be dead to the first born flesh person by belief you are dead to sin by the one time only death of Son willingly done for us all to be new and not of works to get it as works is taught to do by religions a lie.
God loves us all, respond and see new from God personally in you to you loving you
Blows my mind, and is true, thank you
 

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Let each explain this parable from Luke 21:

29 He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
 
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Yes, with the part about esoteric/hidden/secret knowledge being problematic for a Gospel message meant for everyone in the world.
I just read a book indicating that gnosticism is manifested currently by freemasonry.
 
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Yes , that's how it works with me also . I've been reading the Bible ever day for thirty years and it's like a puzzle , the longer u look at it the clearer the picture becomes . The first few times that I read it I barely understood a thing and slowly , over the last 30 years , God has helped me to understand His Word . 30 years on ? Things r still being revealed to me and hopefully that will continue for the next 30 years , if the Lord remains away . How many times have I read the Gospel of Mark ? I couldn't even guess . I've only recently become totally convinced that the person Jesus is talking to in chapter 10 v 17-22 is Simon of chapter 15 V 21 . Why do I suddenly think this ? Suddenly I realised in mark ch 10 v 21 it says that Jesus beholding him loved him . Why ? I think Jesus knew what he would do for Jesus in the future . Also , in the other gospels , a few times Jesus says : ' take up his cross ' in Mark Ch 10 v 21 Jesus says : take up the cross , and follow me . This is exactly what Simon does in Mark Ch 15 v 21 . If this is all correct , imagine how Simon would have felt , being compelled to carry Jesus's cross for him , at that moment I'm sure he would have remembered his earlier encounter with Jesus , he would know that Jesus knew , the first time , what he would do in carrying his cross for him . That memory of that encounter and the subsequent one would have set his heart aglow every time he thought on it . This was a recent revelation to me and of course , I may b wrong . This is why we need to read the Bible very very regularly . The more we read the clearer it all becomes and the stronger our faith gets . That's what I think anyway 😁 .
Re "The more we read the clearer it all becomes and the stronger our faith gets": I agree, if we harmonize it all with a bias toward love and unity.