Scripture Based Flat Earth Proposition

[Zandar]

Ships use towers that send a master signal and then slave signals for relays that are known distances apart. The echos of the relays allow for precise location.

 

[MerSee]

Please explain how GPS works.

So-called “satellite” phones have been found to have reception problems in countries like Kazakhstan with very few cell phone towers. If the Earth were a ball with 20,000+ satellites surrounding, such blackouts should not regularly occur in any rural countryside areas.

 

[MerSee]

Please explain how GPS works.

So-called “satellite” TV dishes are almost always positioned at a 45 degree angle towards the nearest ground-based repeater tower. If TV antennae were actually picking up signals from satellites 100+ miles in space, most TV dishes should be pointing more or less straight up to the sky. The fact that “satellite” dishes are never pointing straight up and almost always positioned at a 45 degree angle proves they are picking up ground-based tower signals and not “outer-space satellites.”

 

[NightTwister]

So-called “satellite” phones have been found to have reception problems in countries like Kazakhstan with very few cell phone towers. If the Earth were a ball with 20,000+ satellites surrounding, such blackouts should not regularly occur in any rural countryside areas.

Red Herring.

 

[NightTwister]

So-called “satellite” TV dishes are almost always positioned at a 45 degree angle towards the nearest ground-based repeater tower. If TV antennae were actually picking up signals from satellites 100+ miles in space, most TV dishes should be pointing more or less straight up to the sky. The fact that “satellite” dishes are never pointing straight up and almost always positioned at a 45 degree angle proves they are picking up ground-based tower signals and not “outer-space satellites.”

Red Herring.

 

[GaryA]

So the flat earth has a circumference of 75,000 miles. Well, that is easy enough to prove, sail around the south pole. On a globe it would be approximately 10,000 miles. A wee bit less than the 75,000 it would take to sail around the ice cap that keeps the water from running off the edge.

So Australia is over 6,250 miles wide?

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Your calculation is assuming a circumference of 75,000 miles along the ice wall latitude - and, that Australia is positioned along the same latitude.

 

[GaryA]

I could be wrong, but didn't SpaceX launch a cluster of satellites? I never watch news but I vaguely recall Starlink being something like that.

satellites on balloons...?

 

[Zandar]

sat signals come from powerful antennas that bounce a signal off the atmosphere/artificially charged ceiling.

 

[GaryA]

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1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:1-4

"declare, if thou hast understanding" - what is the nature of the foundations of the earth that God laid...?

In this context, what is a 'foundation' and how does it perform its function with regard to the earth?

 

[Zandar]

 

[GaryA]

I'm not the one rejecting the premise.

What premise? This thread is about a Flat Earth Proposition. And, you are the one rejecting that...

I accept the truth of photos showing that the sun rises well South of due East and sets well South of due West at latitudes South of the Tropic of Capricorn. You reject them. Even were I to go and make careful observations, you would reject them. So it is on you to make the trip and find the truth for yourself. Only your own in-person observations will prove the matter to you.

That is all fine and good - only, I need not try to prove anything for/to myself - I believe the Bible shows us in no uncertain terms that the earth is not a spinning ball flying through space - and, 'flat' is the "default" observation.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

"declare, if thou hast understanding" - what is the nature of the foundations of the earth that God laid..?

Which earth are you referring unto? You have the first 'earth' being the physical body (breadth, and length, and depth, and height) of space which was created in the beginning or the second 'Earth' being the the celestial body of mass that abodes in the expanse of space upon which we dwell.

In this context, what is a 'foundation' and how does it perform its function with regard to the earth?

Foundation in the literal sense is the supporting base upon which a object is built.

The first earth, or the physical body of space we call the universe is hung upon nothing, which does not mean that it is nothing, it is nothing that exists in this universe. You could say it is light, but it is light that has not been seen, nor can be seen.

It can only be perceived by the substance that the supports the celestial bodies of mass that exist within this universe. Which again is nothing, in the sense it is not is not a form of mass, which some still consider to be nothing since anything that isn't mass doesn't exist in their opinion, yet it can been perceived by the presence of mass.

 

[GaryA]

Which earth are you referring unto? You have the first 'earth' being the physical body (breadth, and length, and depth, and height) of space which was created in the beginning or the second 'Earth' being the the celestial body of mass that abodes in the expanse of space upon which we dwell.



Foundation in the literal sense is the supporting base upon which a object is built.

The first earth, or the physical body of space we call the universe is hung upon nothing, which does not mean that it is nothing, it is nothing that exists in this universe. You could say it is light, but it is light that has not been seen, nor can be seen.

It can only be perceived by the substance that the supports the celestial bodies of mass that exist within this universe. Which again is nothing, in the sense it is not is not a form of mass, which some still consider to be nothing since anything that isn't mass doesn't exist in their opinion, yet it can been perceived by the presence of mass.

Another example of the kind of gobbledygook that people invent to keep themselves from having to seriously consider the real truth...

There are two "earths" in the Bible - the one we live on now and the [eternal] 'New Earth' after this one has been thrown into the lake of fire.

There has never been - nor will there ever be - a "space/universe" earth as you describe in the quote above.

 

[Dino246]

What premise? This thread is about a Flat Earth Proposition. And, you are the one rejecting that...


That is all fine and good - only, I need not try to prove anything for/to myself - I believe the Bible shows us in no uncertain terms that the earth is not a spinning ball flying through space - and, 'flat' is the "default" observation.

Yet you refuse to make the necessary examinations for yourself that will completely and irrefutably disprove your North-centric flat Earth model.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Yet you refuse to make the necessary examinations for yourself that will completely and irrefutably disprove your North-centric flat Earth model.

I don't think that he refuses, he is not capable.

And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; Mark 9:17
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Tim 3:7

I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 1 John 2:21

 

[GaryA]

I don't think that he refuses, he is not capable.

IF ONLY y'all could "escape the MATRIX" and see what I see...

 

[Dino246]

IF ONLY y'all could "escape the MATRIX" and see what I see...

You would do well to escape to the far Southern Hemisphere for Christmas and see for yourself.

 

[Sculpt]

So, @GaryA... why is it you believe that satellites can't exist? Is it they'd hit the hard dome or something?

 

[GaryA]

Even were I to go and make careful observations, you would reject them.

If I were to go and make careful observations - and [somehow] show you that the real truth was something other than what you [think you] see in the pictures - you would reject it.

So then - I am perfectly happy with you believing whatever you want to believe - I am quite certain that it will change when God shows you the truth - at which point, you will not be able to deny it.

The majority reason that I believe what I believe is because of what the Bible says about the earth - with personal observation added over-and-above that.

Believing what the Bible says is first - the personal observation is second.

Please do not ever forget this. If you want to change my mind, you must show me absolutely-beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt just-exactly-and-precisely how scripture actually "does not mean what it says" in the verses/passages where it describes [something] about the earth.

You and some others seem to dismiss out-of-hand what the Bible says about the earth - believing and trusting the opinions of man more than the Bible.

I am more readily inclined to question the opinions of man (even - and, especially - 'authority') rather than the Word of God.

I know you are going to say that it is a matter of interpretation. And, indeed - so it is - I most certainly agree.

However, I believe my interpretation to be correct and must stick to what I believe the Bible says.

 

[GaryA]

I'm telling yawl, MerSee must be a bot/AI. It doesn't really appear to read the post it's "replying" to. It doesn't answer or address simple questions and issues you address to it.

I think MerSee is a thinking human who keeps asking the same question because no one can/will tell him what device exists that will measure curvature...

Nope. I never addressed the "measure curvature" at all.

Why do you think that you are at the center of his universe?

Consider the possibility that he is a human who is not interested in answering your question(s) if you are not willing to first address his question.

Right, wrong, or otherwise - consider the possibility.