Saved by Water

[eternally-gratefull]

You are failing to rightly divide the word. I'll try one more time then I'm done.

God was not propelled by man's "wonderful" behavior to design a way for man to be able to come back into right standing with Him. His plan that included sending His Son was created in spite of man's lousy behavior.

Notice according to the word, God's plan consists of more than saying the "sinner's prayer."

1. Belief in Jesus' having shed His blood for mankind's sin.
2. Repentance required of mankind for making Jesus sacrifice necessary.
3. Obedience to baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin required of mankind.
4. God provides the gift of the Holy Ghost to those willing to obey Him.

Individual's who accept God's conditions will obey them and receive their spiritual rebirth.

You will fail

You don’t tell someone they cant do anything’’

then tell them they must do something.

Thats a contradiction!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The word actually states that one's disobedience to the command in the OT to be circumcised caused one to be out of covenant with God. And, in the case of Moses, the Lord sought him to kill him for neglecting to obey God's command and circumcise his son.

"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." Gen 17:14

Concerning Moses:
"And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision." Ex 4:24-26


According to Paul the person we were is crucified and buried with Jesus by baptism. (Rom. 6:3-4) And having been planted together in the likeness of Jesus’ death, we shall be also in the likeness of Jesus resurrection. (Rom. 6:5) These truths can be seen in one’s obedience to God’s command that everyone repent, and be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (death and burial) And, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (resurrection power) Having been reborn of water and Spirit provides for entrance into heaven where we will live with Jesus. (Rom. 6:8)

“ Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Rom 6:3-8

Once again

You do not tell people they can d nothing’’then tell them they MUST do something

They will laugh you out of the room

 

[HisKid]

Once again

You do not tell people they can d nothing’’then tell them they MUST do something

They will laugh you out of the room

They have already laughed him out of the room.. he just hasn't left yet.

 

[rayzor]

Saint don't laugh at them.Puny gentiles minds do.Cause they know that their souls r in trouble.

 

[peldom10]

Water is a symbol. That's it. The Bible cannot be understood until we recognize symbolism and Living Allegories. To be clear: A person can be fully saved by the Work of Christ even if there isn't a single . . . drop . . . of water to be found . . . anywhere. Water baptism is the same reflection as was physical circumcision . . . they point to the same . . . exact . . . thing.

No way.
Study scriptures again.

 

[rayzor]

No way.
Study scriptures again.

yea way or um
'ya-way "gods grace more important then procedure cause it about love not law [law = method]

 

[rayzor]

or um...... u most do this this & this 2 get grace.Instead of having a beautiful heart

 

[HisKid]

No way.
Study scriptures again.

What if there is no water to be found.. anywhere?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I'm sure they all say the same thing. The question is how did the apostles obey Jesus' command.

I want to point out something to you. You've noted that Paul baptized the 12 disciples in Acts 19 in Ephesus. Here's a fact that you need to explain. in v.5 is the water baptism. But, in v.6 Paul lays hands on them and THEN they receive the Holy Spirit.

Also, Acts 20:20,21
20 You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house.
21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

From Paul. There is NO mention of baptism at all. This aligns exactly with 1 Cor 1:17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Nope. Paul makes it clear that baptism is to be done in the name of the one that was crucified for you.

"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:13

Interesting that you mention that verse. This is what Paul wrote in v.17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

iow, Paul wasn't interested in water baptism, but rather preaching the gospel.

btw, this is what Paul said about the gospel:

Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Where do you find any mention of water baptism here?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Do you know what the name of the Lord is?
It is not the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, you are dodging the issue. Jesus told the 11 to baptize disciples in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Do you know the names of each One? Quit dodging.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It would be wrong to not call out someone who acts mean and arrogant toward others who happen to have a different perspective than they.

Please cite the post # and the exact words that you are judging as "mean and arrogant". Empty charges could be considered to be mean and arrogant. Show your evidence or apologize, please.

 

[Wansvic]

...Paul never baptized anyone, He gave them the gospel. Because water baptism never saved anyone.

Paul did water baptize people. The following is a list of those I am familiar with as recorded in the word.

Paul performed water baptisms, in the name of the Lord Jesus, of the 12 Ephesus disciples and afterward laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-6)

He baptized the jailer and his family. (Acts 16:28-33)

One can conclude from the record in Acts 16:14-15 that it was Paul who baptized Lydia and her family in response to Paul's message.

Paul told the Corinthians that he was glad he only administered the water baptisms of Crispus and Gaius. (1 Cor. 1:14) Considering he had water baptized others it is apparent he didn't mean they were the only water baptisms he had ever administered. They were just the only people he baptized of the Corinthian church. Notice the biblical record of the baptizing of Crispus clarifies some additional points. The record indicates that Paul baptized Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, while someone other than he baptized members of Crispus’ household and other Corinthian believers. (Acts 18:8) This makes it clear that water baptism was not Paul's main ministry. His primary objective was to preach the message. And while at times he did baptize, the responsibility of administering the water baptisms of those wishing to be obedient to the message was done by others.

 

[SophieT]

Paul did water baptize people. The following is a list of those I am familiar with as recorded in the word.

Paul performed water baptisms, in the name of the Lord Jesus, of the 12 Ephesus disciples and afterward laid hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-6)

He baptized the jailer and his family. (Acts 16:28-33)

One can conclude from the record in Acts 16:14-15 that it was Paul who baptized Lydia and her family in response to Paul's message.

Paul told the Corinthians that he was glad he only administered the water baptisms of Crispus and Gaius. (1 Cor. 1:14) Considering he had water baptized others it is apparent he didn't mean they were the only water baptisms he had ever administered. They were just the only people he baptized of the Corinthian church. Notice the biblical record of the baptizing of Crispus clarifies some additional points. The record indicates that Paul baptized Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, while someone other than he baptized members of Crispus’ household and other Corinthian believers. (Acts 18:8) This makes it clear that water baptism was not Paul's main ministry. His primary objective was to preach the message. And while at times he did baptize, the responsibility of administering the water baptisms of those wishing to be obedient to the message was done by others.

there are always exceptions....like your inability to actually understand the gospel and preaching Oneness and water regeneration

this also is Paul:
I am thankful that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, I Cor. 1:14

and again a few verses down in the same chapter

For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

now change that somehow.

 

[SophieT]

No way.
Study scriptures again.

where can we find that in the Bible?

peldom 13:33?

 

[Wansvic]

You're not even listening, are you?


Actually, you have no idea what it conveys. All you've been doing is SAYING His name, if that somehow has power.

The Greek word for "name" refers to REPUTATION.

Maybe the hang-up here is that you don't understand what REPUTATION means. Have you looked it up?

I find the importance of listening is most relevant to what God has to say. And it is he, through the apostles, that speaks to the truth of the need for everyone to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And why? Because Jesus is the one who was crucified for all.

Partial obedience is not obedience. Obedience is only found in one's willingness to comply with God's instructions. As stated in another post the apostles obeyed Jesus command to baptize people in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They did that as seen from the detailed records of individual water baptisms in the NAME of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Wansvic]

So, you just completely ignored that passage? Ok, well my work here is done.

I didn't ignore the passage, I pointed out exactly what it says. The apostles were instructed to use a singular name. And it is clear from the records detailing water baptisms that the required name is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is he who was crucified for all. See Paul's comment in 1 Cor. 1:13.

Unknown by many is that the usage of the phrase Jesus made in Matt. 28:19 is a man made tradition begun in approx. 325 A.D. by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Wansvic]

HisKid said:
Matthew 28
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

Name of WHO? The verse is clear enough. IN THE NAME OF:

The Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit

So, whose name are you asking about?

According to this verse, you'd better be baptized in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Spirit.

So, what is the name of the Father? And what is the name of the Holy Spirit?

Do you know?

If you do not know, then give up on your claim about naming Jesus for baptism.

The biblical record makes it clear what Jesus meant. If in fact the correct way to water baptize was by using the phrase why is there not one reference made of the apostles administering it that way?

Remember, we know from the words of the bible itself that truths will always be confirmed by at least 2-3 witnesses. And we see in all detailed records that the name of the Lord Jesus was used.

 

[SophieT]

I find the importance of listening is most relevant to what God has to say. And it is he, through the apostles, that speaks to the truth of the need for everyone to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And why? Because Jesus is the one who was crucified for all.

Partial obedience is not obedience. Obedience is only found in one's willingness to comply with God's instructions. As stated in another post the apostles obeyed Jesus command to baptize people in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They did that as seen from the detailed records of individual water baptisms in the NAME of the Lord Jesus.

yabba dabba do

we know what you find.

we find, you do not recognize the actual gospel, but have added works to the gospel when Jesus said 'IT IS FINISHED'

partial gospel is no gospel at all and adding to it is worse because you nullify Christ's perfect work on the cross and wrongly believe that you have be 'obedient' when the gospel makes it very plain that we cannot do ANYTHING to perfect ourselves or add to what God has given us in His Son

you cheapen God's grace. you actually think you can do something of equal value to Christ and by soaking yourself in water

you have done nothing for me or anyone else.

and now you come with your Oneness divinity on top of that

really, you have a whole other Jesus you want us to believ in, who is not Jesus at all but something cooked up by deceiving teaching spirits of which Christ warned believers in Him many times

again, His words are proven true and your words are proven deceptive and not true

 

[HisKid]

I didn't ignore the passage, I pointed out exactly what it says. The apostles were instructed to use a singular name. And it is clear from the records detailing water baptisms that the required name is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is he who was crucified for all. See Paul's comment in 1 Cor. 1:13.

Unknown by many is that the usage of the phrase Jesus made in Matt. 28:19 is a man made tradition begun in approx. 325 A.D. by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church.

As I have told you a thousand times, born-again believers ARE baptized, so you are literally wasting bandwidth.