according to your works, you deserve hell
if you could save yourself by your deeds. Christ came in vein.
will you trust Christ. or yourself?
Saved by faith alone?
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if you could save yourself by your deeds. Christ came in vein.
will you trust Christ. or yourself?
Proverbs 24:12
If thou say: I have not strength enough: he that seeth into the heart, he understandeth, and nothing deceiveth the keeper of thy soul, and he shall render to a man according to his works.
If thou say: I have not strength enough: he that seeth into the heart, he understandeth, and nothing deceiveth the keeper of thy soul, and he shall render to a man according to his works.
Salvation by water baptism is in conflict with salvation through faith. Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism (and repentance precedes faith) and we are saved through faith. (Acts 15:7-9; 26:18; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..) Its just that simple.
The scriptures that I shared with you in post #957 are in perfect harmony and not cherry picked. Your method of hermeutics forces you to "patch together" your so called gospel plan which culminates in salvation by works in conflict with salvation through faith, not works.
for it is by grace we have been
if we are going to obey one command, we better obey them all..
amen
if we are going to obey one command, we better obey them all..
Lamentations of Jeremias 3:64
Thau. Thou shalt render them a recompense, O Lord, according to the works of their hands.
Thau. Thou shalt render them a recompense, O Lord, according to the works of their hands.
2 Timothy 3 verse 12 ~ Everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
Oh. You are so much more righteous than me, because of what you are doing.
Yes, lets just ignore them all.
"Lord, Lord did we not disobey all your commands."
Your answer here is quite telling.
"You will be saved (physical salvation not spiritual)".
So Jesus is simply promising these people that if they endure these hardships He will not let them be physically killed???
This is what you think Jesus is promising here?
It seems that no matter what is presented, you will just find some lame excuse to brush it aside.
Harmonise these with saved by faith only, without works.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mar 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
1. Agreed.
2. Agreed.
3. I will trust in Christ to work in me to will and to do what pleases God.
Way to prefer division over resolution!
Peace/agreement is easily achieved by believing we are saved by grace
through faith in the creed/kerygma before working with God/cooperating with GW
regarding how we should then live (didachaic doctrines).
IOW, normally saving faith in Jesus as Lord is followed by loving works, because that is our Lord's command (John 13:34),
which is why Jesus said saving faith would be signified by such loving fruit (John 13:35).
We may say "normally" because there could be cases like the thief on the cross
where a sincere conversion to Christ resulting in eternal life occurs just prior to death.
Your post really brings out the heart of what Jesus was teaching in John 8! I love how you highlighted that being a servant to sin is like being stuck in chains, and Jesus offers real freedom—not just from the penalty but from sin’s grip on our lives. Those verses from Romans 6 make it so clear that it’s about a transformed heart, not just checking off a list of good deeds.
Your point about faith and works going hand in hand is spot-on. It’s like faith is the root, and our actions are the fruit that show what’s really growing inside us. The way you tied it to choosing between serving sin or serving Christ feels like a wake-up call to check where our hearts are at. Thanks for sharing this—it’s got me thinking about how I can lean more into Christ’s freedom every day.
Okay, name one.No one is pushing that we are saved by water baptism? Are you serious?
Don't use Peter, everyone knows that one.
God's Word
1st Peter 3:21
"Baptism, which is like that water, now saves you. Baptism doesn’t save by removing dirt from the body. Rather, baptism is a request to God for a clear conscience. It saves you through Jesus Christ, who came back from death to life."
I'm talking about members of Christian Chat. Are you admitting that you are one of them? In what "sense" does baptism save? Literally or symbolically? We need to read ALL of 1 Peter 3:21. Now was it the flood waters that literally saved Noah and His family or the ARK? (Hebrews 11:7)
Only Jesus Christ has met that standard. (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22)
Mankind has failed. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; James 2:10; Romans 3:10-12, 23; 1 John 1:8-10)
You keep on contradicting yourself. You say that we are saved by faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and not by a profession of faith that is barren of works.
But you also say "we are saved by grace through faith, not works." And infer or assert that I believe we are saved by faith AND works, when I actually said we are saved by a faith that works.
What is wrong with the following statement? "We are saved by grace through a faith in Jesus Christ that works righteousness in us so that we do righteousness. And a claim to have faith in Jesus Christ that does not work righteousness in us, so that we don't do righteousness, is dead because it remains alone and has not produced godly works."