sabbath

[Grandpa]

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You continue to mention Matthew 11:28, where does it say that this has to do with the Sabbath, unless your are interpreting this verse to fit you distorted view. Continue reading until verse 30 it has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Not to mention, I answered you in the past to continue reading unto Matthew 12:1, right after that statement Yeshua went on the Sabbath day through the corn and his disciples were hungry and began to pluck the ears of corn and ate.

You forget to understand that Yeshua is talking to them who are at his presence, come to me all you that labour and are heavy laden and right after he said that he went on the Sabbath day through the corn, why didn't he just say the Sabbath day is not to be held. But you are too blind to see this because you are stuck with what you want to believe.

Matthew 11:28 is how the New Covenant is implemented. Once it is implemented we receive rest from the carnal concept of working at the law in our own understanding and strength. Now, or after coming to Christ, we are Gods Workmanship receiving the fruit of obedience and Righteousness as we abide in Christ.

But what I asked was, How does Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-10 NOT go along with Matthew 11:28 and Ezekiel 36:24-28??????


It does make perfect sense that if you think the Lord Jesus Christ FAILED to bring in the New Covenant that He also FAILED to fulfill the Law as well. That is an absolute errant thought but lots of people think that.

 

[Grandpa]

So it isn't actually working at the law that sends you to hell.
But you keep saying that.
You should make it clear exactly what you mean.
For surely, faith upholds the law (Romans 3:31), for everything that means in this New Covenant.

Working at the law just shows your unbelief in Christ.

Whatever you think that the Lord FAILED to fulfill you try to fulfill yourself through your work at the law.

The Lord fulfilled it much better than you ever could. And yet you would continue to present these filthy rags as if they were clean.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[Grandpa]

Wait a second, wasn't one of the prophecies that the Messiah would strengthen the laws, taking them away sounds like the opposite?

The Lord did strengthen the law.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

That's pretty much the overview of Matthew 5 and the Lords teaching on the Law. Really read all of Matthew 5 to show the Lord strengthening the Law.


But His strengthening the law does nothing for anyones ability to keep that strengthened law. It makes it harder and if you read Matthew 5 you will see that there are things in there that you can't do.

This should bring you to the end of yourself and right to Christ, to ask for His Help. Because, if you can't do it you are under the curse, right?

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

 

[Judges1318]

Working at the law just shows your unbelief in Christ.

Whatever you think that the Lord FAILED to fulfill you try to fulfill yourself through your work at the law.

The Lord fulfilled it much better than you ever could. And yet you would continue to present these filthy rags as if they were clean.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

How does walking in the Spirit (fulfilling the law) frustrate the grace of God?

 

[Judges1318]

This should bring you to the end of yourself and right to Christ, to ask for His Help.

For what?
So we can continue to not be able to obey him?
But this time so we don't get in trouble for not obeying him?
Is that what Christianity is all about?

 

[Judges1318]

Now, or after coming to Christ, we are Gods Workmanship receiving the fruit of obedience

What does that mean?
That I go on breaking God's commands, this time with impunity?

 

[Grandpa]

How does walking in the Spirit (fulfilling the law) frustrate the grace of God?

Working at the law is NOT fulfilling the law. Working at the law is the FRUSTRATION of Grace.

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 

[Grandpa]

For what?
So we can continue to not be able to obey him?
But this time so we don't get in trouble for not obeying him?
Is that what Christianity is all about?

No.

Its to be given the gift of Righteousness and obedience, continually.

But when you turn away from that and toward your own understanding and work at the law you fail.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Matthew 11:28 is how the New Covenant is implemented. Once it is implemented we receive rest from the carnal concept of working at the law in our own understanding and strength. Now, or after coming to Christ, we are Gods Workmanship receiving the fruit of obedience and Righteousness as we abide in Christ.

But what I asked was, How does Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-10 NOT go along with Matthew 11:28 and Ezekiel 36:24-28??????


It does make perfect sense that if you think the Lord Jesus Christ FAILED to bring in the New Covenant that He also FAILED to fulfill the Law as well. That is an absolute errant thought but lots of people think that.

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Ezekiel 36:24-28 says nothing about removing the law of God, but confirms the Scriptures where is says if you walk after the Spirit, the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law. Where does it say in Ezekiel that the Law is done away with?

 

[Judges1318]

No.

Its to be given the gift of Righteousness and obedience, continually.

But when you turn away from that and toward your own understanding and work at the law you fail.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

I guess you're going to have to show me what you are saying is the difference between 'working the law' and 'obedience' before I can understand what you're getting at.

 

[Grandpa]

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Ezekiel 36:24-28 says nothing about removing the law of God, but confirms the Scriptures where is says if you walk after the Spirit, the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law. Where does it say in Ezekiel that the Law is done away with?

I can see that you are completely confused and have no idea of what you are talking about.

If I could give any advice to you it would be to read scripture MUCH more carefully than you do. You are missing out on LOADS of information. Not sure if it is intentional or not. It seems that way to me but maybe its just a blind spot.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I can see that you are completely confused and have no idea of what you are talking about.

If I could give any advice to you it would be to read scripture MUCH more carefully than you do. You are missing out on LOADS of information. Not sure if it is intentional or not. It seems that way to me but maybe its just a blind spot.

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This topic is about the law and was Jeremiah 31:31-34 fulfilled and nothing else and you are making this topic of something that we are not talking about. Stick to the subject!

 

[bud62]

why is the sabbath not been kept by all Christians? I need guidance please

In 321 Ad Conatine Made a law trying Make every KEEP Sunday . The day that worshiped the sun .

Simply because the sabbath is intended for the Jews. It is a sign for Israel. This covenant is throughout their generations. In the New Testament, Jesus breaks the sabbath law, thus started a new generation base on faith. His death, burial and resurrection is the basis of the New Testament Christianity and is no longer a law, so is no longer kept.

The SABBATH IS not for the Jews , IT GO"s back all the way to creation, where GOD bless & sanctified IT . THERE where no Jews,
The SABBATH the 7Th day is SATURDAY NOT sunday witch is a day of sun worship , & SABBATH means a day of rest ,LIKE GOD DID ON THE SEVENTH DAY IN CREATION . IT is a commandment that GOD wrote with HIS own finger , & HIS LAWS are for ever . HE don't change . NETHER WILL HIS LAWS. The BIBLE tells in ECCLESIASTES 12:13 , Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter : Fear GOD , & keep HIS commandments ; for this is the whole DUTY OF MAN . GOD tells us to keep the seventh day HOLY . MAN says to keep sunday , GOD made the SABBATH HOLY , & we can't make a day holy .ALL we can do is keep the one HE made HOLY . AND the BIBLE tell us in romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey ; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ? NOW WHO ARE YOU GOING TO OBEY ,GOD OR MAN , IT's a matter of life or death . & there is much ,much more on us keeping HIS HOLY DAY, HOLY [ GOD BLESS ]

Exodus 31:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

 

[Grandpa]

In 321 Ad Conatine Made a law trying Make every KEEP Sunday . The day that worshiped the sun .

Actually about 300 years before that it was settled in Acts 15 that New Christians weren't under the Law of Moses.

And before that the Lord Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law.


So Christians decided to worship on the Lords Day, which is Sunday, which is the day He Resurrected. And were therefore separate and different from those who continue to worship on Saturday.

Those who worship on Saturday continue to place thesmelves under an Old Covenant that was broken a long time ago. And in fact was destined for failure from the beginning.

2 Corinthians 3:12-15
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

 

[bud62]

Actually about 300 years before that it was settled in Acts 15 that New Christians weren't under the Law of Moses.

And before that the Lord Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law.


So Christians decided to worship on the Lords Day, which is Sunday, which is the day He Resurrected. And were therefore separate and different from those who continue to worship on Saturday.

Those who worship on Saturday continue to place thesmelves under an Old Covenant that was broken a long time ago. And in fact was destined for failure from the beginning.

2 Corinthians 3:12-15
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

ALL days belong to the LORD BUT HE only has one HOLY DAY OF REST THE HE SET APART FOR HOLY USE & that is SABBATH THE 7 th day Witch called Saturday . I know they try to say that in Revelation when John says on the LORD day & call IT sunday WHEN JESUS says SABBATH IS HIS DAY ,Satan is working TO get people to disobey GODs LAW , WHEN HIS WORD says that HIS saints will be keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS , GOD BLESS as HE sees fit .

 

[seed_time_harvest]

How does walking in the Spirit (fulfilling the law) frustrate the grace of God?

GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM

MUST worship HIM In spirit and In truth.

What Is flesh Is flesh
What Is Spirit Is Spirit.

You have salvation and living holy/your walk as being the same.

First the person gets saved then they walk/renew their minds/present their body a living sacrifice.

Work Is work
Grace Is Grace

 

[seed_time_harvest]

This should bring you to the end of yourself and right to Christ, to ask for His Help. Because, if you can't do it you are under the curse, right?

For what?
So we can continue to not be able to obey him?
But this time so we don't get in trouble for not obeying him?
Is that what Christianity is all about?

Somebody might ask,how did the children of Israel come to faith and how does the gentiles come to faith since men loved darkness?
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Jews
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Romans 10:15-18
King James Version

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
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John 6:44
King James Version

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Gentiles
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IMO this verse Is talking about the person's conscience.They have to come to GOD In truth and not because the preacher said repeat these words after me and you will be saved or to Impress your parents or a girl,It's got to be true repentance.

Romans 2:14
King James Version

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

 

[bud62]

GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM

MUST worship HIM In spirit and In truth.

What Is flesh Is flesh
What Is Spirit Is Spirit.

You have salvation and living holy/your walk as being the same.

First the person gets saved then they walk/renew their minds/present their body a living sacrifice.

Work Is work
Grace Is Grace

Just Because GOD forgives us our sins by grace . That don't give us the right to keep disobeying HIS laws . There is no repentance in this .Luke 13:3 JESUS says but except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish . Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth ,there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, This tell us if we sin knowing something is sin ,we will be stepping out of the faith of JESUS & HIS BLOOD will not cover that sin ,& we would be in a lost condition . GOD BLESS . BLESSED SABBATH TO ALL OF YOU THAT ARE KEEPING HIS SABBATH .

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Just Because GOD forgives us our sins by grace . That don't give us the right to keep disobeying HIS laws . There is no repentance in this .Luke 13:3 JESUS says but except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish . Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth ,there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, This tell us if we sin knowing something is sin ,we will be stepping out of the faith of JESUS & HIS BLOOD will not cover that sin ,& we would be in a lost condition . GOD BLESS . BLESSED SABBATH TO ALL OF YOU THAT ARE KEEPING HIS SABBATH .

I’m one of those OSAS people.A person that got saved WILL seek to purify themselves even as they are pure,I agree to a point what you are saying though but be careful you aren’t looking at progressive sanctification/renewing the mind after salvation like I got to be perfect With my strength and your sins are bigger than my sins.Before salvation or after salvation the emphasis should be put on faith not sin.

 

[Grandpa]

ALL days belong to the LORD BUT HE only has one HOLY DAY OF REST THE HE SET APART FOR HOLY USE & that is SABBATH THE 7 th day Witch called Saturday . I know they try to say that in Revelation when John says on the LORD day & call IT sunday WHEN JESUS says SABBATH IS HIS DAY ,Satan is working TO get people to disobey GODs LAW , WHEN HIS WORD says that HIS saints will be keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS , GOD BLESS as HE sees fit .

That is not true.

The sabbath is a SHADOW of what God gives us in Christ.

It was never about a certain day. It was about REST.

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.