Rightly divided

[Rightlydivided]

As for who is making references to whom, I do not know, but when it comes to passing on the teaching of theWord, it is not judging, simply sharing, dialoguing and discussion of the Bible, the theme of this forum. If and when it dos apply to anyone that is not the fault of the poster. As regards to sarcasm and a lot of lol's I shy away from both, I do not believe they have a place in serious discussion of the Bible by people who believe it is the true Word of God……..I think this is a sage approach for myself.

I may disagree with you on some issues, but I do recognize and agree with some of what you are saying.

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I am studying scripture more now than I ever have before, what is amazing to me, is the simplicity in Christ crucified, and the finished work of the cross....I hope that over time, the comparing of scripture to try and “one up” each other, bends to the Holy Spirit for recognition that each of us are to work out our own salvation...this is only possible with grace on our side, ..what a beautiful thing grace truly is, I am humbled everyday that Christ died for me.
I hope that through all of the indifference I see, we can atleast have this comfort and cause for praise between us.

 

[JaumeJ]

I may disagree with you on some issues, but I do recognize and agree with some of what you are saying.

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I am studying scripture more now than I ever have before, what is amazing to me, is the simplicity in Christ crucified, and the finished work of the cross....I hope that over time, the comparing of scripture to try and “one up” each other, bends to the Holy Spirit for recognition that each of us are to work out our own salvation...this is only possible with grace on our side, ..what a beautiful thing grace truly is, I am humbled everyday that Christ died for me.
I hope that through all of the indifference I see, we can atleast have this comfort and cause for praise between us.

Did you read the pivotal words at the end of the post, "for myself," I do not apply the post to others, not completely, but I do expect responsible posting from all wh claim to believe Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

 

[Rightlydivided]

I did read what you said at the end, as far as what you expect, this is a universal expectation and goes for any involved, even more so as moderator or senior member whom has taken a roll to lead by example...i do not know who you are, but I do not think you realize the arrogance in some of your words...maybe I am misreading or misinterpreting what you are trying to say....so before I comment on your response as to what you expect from a believer in Christ, maybe you can simplify your vocabulary for us laymen to better understand you....it is not often as a farmer that I hear someone use the terminology “sage” or press the issue of what they expect to see in others beyond professing Christ as their personal savior....fair enough?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I agree about Paul and that we are free from the law.
I 100% disagree on ignoring the Gospels! How can you say disregard the teachings of Jesus?

Paul wrote that the law was good but he was carnal so then It's very rite to have kept GODs law since the same GOD that spoke In the old testament Is the same GOD who speaks In new testament and GODs WORD doesn't change.

Remember also that the rich young ruler approached JESUS and said good "master" what must I do to Inherit Eternal Life and JESUS told him why do you call ME "good" ,their Is only ONE that IS good and that Is GOD.

Then JESUS told him you know the commandments.

But how was the rich young ruler going to be perfect In his own strength?

JESUS told him to keep the commandments with his own strength,why?

Answer=The rich young ruler looked at the outward appearance of JESUS when he should have realized that only GOD could give him eternal life.

So the JESUS dealt with him the way a man/priest would deal with him under law

We come short of the glory of GOD BECAUSE of the weakness of our flesh although the Spirit Is willing the flesh Is weak.

Paul wrote that the law was good but he Is carnal sold under sin.

 

[Embankment]

I want nothing to do with your propaganda... nothing

 

[Rightlydivided]

We are not members of he Body if we are not repented……. Love does not tolerate sin after one claimss to believe, not for long. Of course Love tolerates our failings always, but do not mistake God's Love for some weakling constantly giving in to a child who says he is sorry yet lives in sin, for this cannot be. Love is Truth.

Gods love cannot be mistaken for a weak father....God gave his only begotten son to save you and me, god knows that we are incapable to live without sin, it is in our flesh and will always be at war with the spirit until we are given incorruptible bodies at the ressurection.... this was the entire point of the finished work of the cross.​

Speaking on your expectation of other brothers in Christ, im sure I am not alone when I say to you, that beyond the scripture that says“let every man be convinced in his own mind, and workout his own salvation”​

It was clear that we do not throw around judgement of our fellow heirs to the kingdom of heaven so loosely....it seems as though it has become a fixture in you that shines above the love that is meant to cover all....you can say to me that you are not judging, but the way you speak is contrary to what you are saying...treating someone as a nonbeliever is a judgement upon them, it creates an environment Paul warned about, especially if you truly believe you are wise (sage) and have not emptied your cup to receive a message that may be contrary to what you believe...(for I will confound the wise).​

What have you that was not given unto you? What have you that was not given unto your brethren? For god will make them stand....you are the planter and waterer, Jesus described you as nothing at all, for it is god that gives the increase not you, and no matter how much you treat another brother in Christ that you “suspect” is not a believer....your actions in the dispinsation of grace will not yield you results..​

 

[preacher4truth]

I may disagree with you on some issues, but I do recognize and agree with some of what you are saying.

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I am studying scripture more now than I ever have before, what is amazing to me, is the simplicity in Christ crucified, and the finished work of the cross....I hope that over time, the comparing of scripture to try and “one up” each other, bends to the Holy Spirit for recognition that each of us are to work out our own salvation...this is only possible with grace on our side, ..what a beautiful thing grace truly is, I am humbled everyday that Christ died for me.
I hope that through all of the indifference I see, we can atleast have this comfort and cause for praise between us.

Hmmmm. Rather the opposite is true according to Scripture. I believe the more one studies the Gospel the more complexities one sees, more of the wisdom, more depth, more of the deep things of God.

Along the lines of Paul, who grasped the Gospel much better than any of us, this is what I mean:

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! Romans 11:33 ESV

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Romans 11:33 KJV

Oh, how great are God's riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his ways! Romans 11:33 NLT

Yes, and we hope for praise, or better yet unity between you and others on here based upon truth; Ephesians 4:3.

 

[Rightlydivided]

I am glad that the main things are the plain things in the Bible and they are so simple that a young child can understand them but for some reason many adults reject it. The only mystery to me is in trying to understand why people don’t believe God. I prefer to believe what God says in His Word the Bible and not what man thinks or says. There is simplicity in the cross of Christ but there is foolishness in rejecting the only way that we can be saved and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified for our sins.

Second Corinthians 11:3 “But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.”
Sometimes we make the gospel so complicated that even adults can’t understand it but it is really so simple that a child can know it. The gospel has been described as so deep that a theologian could drown in it yet shallow enough that a child could wade through it. There is nothing that complicated about the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is not so much a plan of salvation as it is the Man of Salvation.

And for you...

Luke 10:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

As I said, the simplicity of the finished work of the cross amazes me.

Mic drop

 

[Rightlydivided]

Hmmmm. Rather the opposite is true according to Scripture. I believe the more one studies the Gospel the more complexities one sees, more of the wisdom, more depth, more of the deep things of God.

Along the lines of Paul, who grasped the Gospel much better than any of us, this is what I mean:

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! Romans 11:33 ESV

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Romans 11:33 KJV

Oh, how great are God's riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his ways! Romans 11:33 NLT

Yes, and we hope for praise, or better yet unity between you and others on here based upon truth; Ephesians 4:3.

If your truth is stored up in the folly of your own wisdom, and not in the simplicity of Christ crucified, your conditions of unity in your fellow brethren may come true

 

[preacher4truth]

I am glad that the main things are the plain things in the Bible and they are so simple that a young child can understand them but for some reason many adults reject it.

Nope, you'd be incorrect. Note 1 Corinthians 2:14. Not one person receives these things without God, nor can they know them.

The only mystery to me is in trying to understand why people don’t believe God.

The passage above explains as to why. They can't. No one can come to God, man is incapable of doing so; John 6:36 &c. Note John 6:63 as it gives further insight here.

I prefer to believe what God says in His Word the Bible and not what man thinks or says.

I gave you Scripture, not what man has to say. The above is merely an attempt to sound more spiritual in order to dismiss what was given. That, and you'll use the classic mistake of pitting Scripture against Scripture instead of accepting what Paul said only because it shows your stance to be somewhat incorrect.

There is simplicity in the cross of Christ but there is foolishness in rejecting the only way that we can be saved and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified for our sins.

Second Corinthians 11:3 “But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.”

Yes, the simplicity of devotion to Christ, not a crayon-ology Gospel. This the above does not support your theory. Please reread Romans 11:33.

Sometimes we make the gospel so complicated that even adults can’t understand it but it is really so simple that a child can know it. The gospel has been described as so deep that a theologian could drown in it yet shallow enough that a child could wade through it. There is nothing that complicated about the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is not so much a plan of salvation as it is the Man of Salvation.

And for you...

Luke 10:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

As I said, the simplicity of the finished work of the cross amazes me.

Mic drop

Rather it is more of a worry that folks truncate the Gospel message as you do, simpleton-ize it, and devalue it, showing a sever lack of respect of and knowledge concerning the Gospel. Let's see, you've brought it down to just make a decision and into heaven one goes, right? Slam, bam, simple! Just decide. Right? What a disgrace that is to the truth.

By the way, what is the Gospel? You keep talking about it.

Funny how Paul talks of its depth and how in this Gospel God's ways are past finding out, but you found a verse or two out of context that doesn't even support anything you've said and pit it against Paul's words. You've not disproven Paul, you're only showing you will absolutely not accept what he is expounding concerning the Gospel of Christ in Romans 11:33.

The above text in Luke actually shows you to be incorrect, that is, if God doesn't reveal these truths, they are not understood by anyone.

Again:

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! Romans 11:33 ESV

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Romans 11:33 KJV

Oh, how great are God's riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his ways! Romans 11:33 NLT

 

[preacher4truth]

If your truth is stored up in the folly of your own wisdom, and not in the simplicity of Christ crucified, your conditions of unity in your fellow brethren may come true

If your Gospel is truncated decisional regeneration, well, I'm not going to condemn you and name call as you've done to me brother.

The end result and judgment is way above my pay grade.

I'll simply allow you to continue to name call, dismiss Scripture, pit Scripture and ridicule. But I'll keep opposing your teaching when it is in error. Not you, your teaching. Philippians 1:7, 16. Jude 1:4.

 

[Laish]

I am glad that the main things are the plain things in the Bible and they are so simple that a young child can understand them but for some reason many adults reject it. The only mystery to me is in trying to understand why people don’t believe God. I prefer to believe what God says in His Word the Bible and not what man thinks or says. There is simplicity in the cross of Christ but there is foolishness in rejecting the only way that we can be saved and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified for our sins.

Second Corinthians 11:3 “But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.”
Sometimes we make the gospel so complicated that even adults can’t understand it but it is really so simple that a child can know it. The gospel has been described as so deep that a theologian could drown in it yet shallow enough that a child could wade through it. There is nothing that complicated about the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is not so much a plan of salvation as it is the Man of Salvation.

And for you...

Luke 10:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

As I said, the simplicity of the finished work of the cross amazes me.

Mic drop

Question how or why are you quoting from the Gospels ? You said we as gentile believers in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ have no business there .
And it’s real cute when you add your little sarcastic comments like mic drop .
If this is so serious why put a sarcastic stumbling block like this in your post . It only further divides you from those you want to reach . I have a hunch that your not here to help a brother or sister understand but to show everyone how slick and smart you are . Well your doing a good job at proving otherwise.
Blessings
Bill

 

[Rightlydivided]

Cute? I thought it was cute how condescension creeped in towards me, merely because of what I believe...as far as mic drop, at what point did the response to my post deserve “quite the opposite is true” and “truth is what unites us”?.....as though I know nothing of truth..and as though I have no clue of the simplicity of Christ crucified...your disagreement in doctrine only leads you to a pack mentality...maybe you should treat me as an unbeliever also?

 

[Rightlydivided]

Question how or why are you quoting from the Gospels ? You said we as gentile believers in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ have no business there .
And it’s real cute when you add your little sarcastic comments like mic drop .
If this is so serious why put a sarcastic stumbling block like this in your post . It only further divides you from those you want to reach . I have a hunch that your not here to help a brother or sister understand but to show everyone how slick and smart you are . Well your doing a good job at proving otherwise.
Blessings
Bill

As far as quoting from the gospels...I have never said one should not study scripture and apply it appropriately, I said the gospel, specifically in Christ’s earthly ministry, which was for the lost sheep of Israel, could not be appropriately applied to the same message That Paul was reserved to reveal as the mystery to the gentiles....I said they were 2 different messages

 

[preacher4truth]

Question how or why are you quoting from the Gospels ? You said we as gentile believers in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ have no business there .
And it’s real cute when you add your little sarcastic comments like mic drop .
If this is so serious why put a sarcastic stumbling block like this in your post . It only further divides you from those you want to reach . I have a hunch that your not here to help a brother or sister understand but to show everyone how slick and smart you are . Well your doing a good job at proving otherwise.
Blessings
Bill

Good point, his arguments are not consistent.

 

[John146]

As far as quoting from the gospels...I have never said one should not study scripture and apply it appropriately, I said the gospel, specifically in Christ’s earthly ministry, which was for the lost sheep of Israel, could not be appropriately applied to the same message That Paul was reserved to reveal as the mystery to the gentiles....I said they were 2 different messages

The message that Christ taught was not even for Gentiles nor Samaritans. Matthew 10. The message was concerning the promised king to rule from the throne of David in an earthly, physical, visible kingdom. What was not known was this same Savior came to die for the sins of man first before the kingdom could be ushered in.

 

[preacher4truth]

Cute? I thought it was cute how condescension creeped in towards me, merely because of what I believe...as far as mic drop, at what point did the response to my post deserve “quite the opposite is true” and “truth is what unites us”?.....as though I know nothing of truth..and as though I have no clue of the simplicity of Christ crucified...your disagreement in doctrine only leads you to a pack mentality...maybe you should treat me as an unbeliever also?

No one says, said, implied, subliminally or otherwise you know nothing of truth. It's just the fact the opposite of your truncated gospel is what is true. It is not crayon-ology.

Now, instead of the emotionalism, straw men, pitting Scripture, why not just rejoice in that Paul described the Gospel in terms that deny what you've always thought? It is way past finding out the depths of his Gospel. See? This is why people mock the Gospel because people reduce it down to pie in the sky nonsense. Even Alice in Chains mock this nonsense in one of their blasphemous "songs."

 

[Nehemiah6]

in regards to the gospels, they are not about you..

What makes you think that? Do we find a Scripture which says "Christians, the Gospels are not for you?

For someone who calls himself *Rightlydivided*, and wants to promote rightly dividing or rightly interpreting Scripture, you have done a great disservice to yourself and everyone else with this ill-informed comment: "...you have no business in the 4 gospels, in which was Christ’s earthly ministry....under the law..."

To counter this foolishness, I will say "Christians, study the Gospels properly and carefully before you even go to the epistles of Paul. And never mind Revelation, if you do not even understand the Gospel of John".

 

[Laish]

Cute? I thought it was cute how condescension creeped in towards me, merely because of what I believe...as far as mic drop, at what point did the response to my post deserve “quite the opposite is true” and “truth is what unites us”?.....as though I know nothing of truth..and as though I have no clue of the simplicity of Christ crucified...your disagreement in doctrine only leads you to a pack mentality...maybe you should treat me as an unbeliever also?

I don’t and probably won’t treat you as a unbeliever . I think you have things wrong . I believe your posting style is a bit sarcastic and just widening the gap between you and those who you are wanting to talk to . Yea they may come on harsh . Try turning the other cheek. As far as pac mentality come on this is a message forum. Nothing gets hurt here except feelings and pride .
Blessings
Bill

 

[Laish]

As far as quoting from the gospels...I have never said one should not study scripture and apply it appropriately, I said the gospel, specifically in Christ’s earthly ministry, which was for the lost sheep of Israel, could not be appropriately applied to the same message That Paul was reserved to reveal as the mystery to the gentiles....I said they were 2 different messages

You said this in your first post
“Follow Paul, as he is the apostle to the Gentiles....you have no business in the 4 gospels, in which was Christ’s earthly ministry....under the law......I post this for edification,”
It looks to be contradictory to me .
Blessings
Bill